Grinding duckbills to make tele toes DIN compatible

[hop]

Has anyone ever done this? The goal would be to make my T-race boots fit into my Freerides. I expect a bunch of slop and flex due to the bellows but the tradeoffs might be worth it on the logistics (only needing one boot) side of things.
Looking at the toe compared to my Salomon alpine boots I think it could be possible to just grind out the corners and leave the length and most of the width intact for tele purposes.

[Idris]

Won't the T races fit in the Freerides anyway?....save yourself the grinding, trade your freerides for older silvrettas, your tele's will fit in em just fine.

[Odin]

As the freerides are adjustable shouldnt you just be able to crank the toepice down and pull hte heel out?

Of course I don't see how this could possibly work, but I dont have mad tele toes din steeze.

[hop]

If I raise up the freeride toe piece the boots will fit in, but there's not much contact between the curved toe piece and the flat tele toe. That's why I was thinking of making the front of the duckbill more DIN-shaped.
As for Silvrettas, that's not really an option.

[DJSapp]

Ummmm, maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't the bellows flexing cause additional upward pressure on the heelpiece, causing you to faceplant every single run? (unless you turn the din on your heels up to eleventy billion)

Sounds like you're trying to ruin a pair of boots IMHO.

[Telenater]

Sounds like you're trying to ruin a pair of boots IMHO.

Ahh, the joys of free boots.....

However, this is an interesting idea (I do still have some old TRace shells....).

[Keoni]

Post reported to P.E.T.A.

[dude_le_skibum]

i have the machine here.....its made to din racing boots when you add lifters. i am experiementing with plug boots with vibram soles, will have results soon

[mntlion]

why not add an alpine heel to a telecable set up?

[hop]

why not add an alpine heel to a telecable set up?

that could work, but I foresee problems with premature ejection due to rocker launch, amazing weight gain not to mention where does the cable go when you're in fixed-heel mode? I guess I could just remove them.

Maybe I'll just bring two sets of boots. I haven't done it yet, but I bet there's nothing like going on long traverses in Salomon Course boots. Whee. The other option is skiing variable and funky snow in potentially shit and dangerous conditions with tele gear. Whee.

[ak_powder_monkey]

4 boots for 2 feet

[Pinner]

The other option is skiing variable and funky snow in potentially shit and dangerous conditions with tele gear. Whee.

bwraaak!!!

suck it up and paramark like the rest of us

[hop]

bwraaak!!!

suck it up and paramark like the rest of us

Where, oh holy one, did I ever mention telemark turns? I merely said telemark GEAR, which I have used for probably 98% (or more) of my entire skiing career. right back at'cha, with a thrown in for good measure.

Nobody will argue (successfully) that freeheel gear is as stable and predictable as fixed-heel gear.

[Sphinx]

Go to teletips, they'll try to convince you.

Buy a snowboard.

[Pinner]

ooooo.... whose manhood is feeling a little sensitive about that remaining 2%?

I think it's a great idea, but I also think you might have to grind away so much material to accomodate the Freeride toe that you run the risk that it wouldn't hold very well in a tele binding afterwards. Also the bellow flex would make your release very very unpredictable. Bear in mind though, that when I ran Denali XT's on Freerides, I set them according to spec, skied them for an hour and then said fuggit, and cranked them down so tight that they met no international standards except for my own, which as you know are absurdly low.

Where ya heading?

[hop]

My manhood is feeling a little sensitive because of chronic masturbation. Nothing more, nothing less.
As for the boot idea, if (big if) I did it I'd leave the length of the duckbill the same and just grind out the corners. That way it would stay in tele bindings. However, the bellows flex and rocker launch issues might be bigger problems than I want to deal with. I'd want to do some serious testing of the system to make sure it all works, but I don't have the time.


If all goes according to plan....
Physical Graffiti, Disc 1, track 6 (just got my Visa today) followed by a bit of FR, IT, and CH.

The former is not set in stone yet but the latter is almost definitely a go.


Edit: I should add this to my "driving sucks" post but since we're on the topic of trips...
Packing for 8+ weeks on the road sucks too. Which is why I pack for about 10 minutes, watch 4 or 5 of the top 100 heavy metal moment on VH1, and come back here for 10 minutes.

[Pinner]

Physical Graffiti, Disc 1, track 6 (just got my Visa today)

Custard Pie? No wait, I know! You're going to one of the coolest places in the freaking world!!! Best of luck with pulling that one together. You're stoked.

followed by a bit of FRITsCHi.

[Professor]

I have been trying to avoid this thread since it has been discussed a million times before hand (usually with the title, "can I put tele boots in an alpine binding" and YES it is still a STUPID idea. If you grind any material off of a tele boot the boot will now twist out of a tele binding easier. Remember that the sides of the boot toe help keep the boot in the binding. Dont believe me, try skiing G3s or the like with a worn boot vs a brand new boot. Been there done that. And for all of those that dont tele dont even start with the "but tele bindings dont release" crap. I am sure I can dig up some footage to prove you wrong. End of tirade, back to what you were doing

[hop]

I have been trying to avoid this thread since it has been discussed a million times before hand (usually with the title, "can I put tele boots in an alpine binding" and YES it is still a STUPID idea. If you grind any material off of a tele boot the boot will now twist out of a tele binding easier. Remember that the sides of the boot toe help keep the boot in the binding. Dont believe me, try skiing G3s or the like with a worn boot vs a brand new boot. Been there done that. And for all of those that dont tele dont even start with the "but tele bindings dont release" crap. I am sure I can dig up some footage to prove you wrong. End of tirade, back to what you were doing

Thanks for the tirade.

[summit]

If you could make it work, it would make the most comfortable BC setup ever. Hike with tele bellows, skin with Pures or Naxos, then LOCKEMDOWN!

[Greydon Clark]

Why fuck around with half-ass boots?

[hop]

because that's what I have, and making AT boots fit in tele bindings would be much harder.

[Foggy_Goggles]

If you could make it work, it would make the most comfortable BC setup ever. Hike with tele bellows, skin with Pures or Naxos, then LOCKEMDOWN!

Uh...well the toe and heel are fixed, the bellows don't do shit. That's why the spandex rando dork use that Scarpa race boot with the Denalis and Dynafits. Hoa is just trying to make an AT boot from the teles 'cause thats what he has.

[summit]

Uh...well the toe and heel are fixed, the bellows don't do shit. That's why the spandex rando dork use that Scarpa race boot with the Denalis and Dynafits. Hoa is just trying to make an AT boot from the teles 'cause thats what he has.

Was talking about when actual hiking is required (ie no snow for skinning)

[nhtele]

Russell Rainey has been grinding the toes of his Tele boots to approximate DIN standard for years.

Apparently in his binders it doesn't make a difference. He demonstrates this mod in his Hammerhead mounting video