Crows v. Gulls

[Chainsaw_Willie]

Crows are smart, but not THAT smart.

When I was a punk kid I used to shoot them with a pellet gun when they'd land in the vacant tree-filled lot behind my house. If they could see me, they'd fly away as soon as I appeared but if I could remain hidden they wouldn't fly away even after several of their number had been dropped. One would fall and the rest would go crazy, flying around in circles and cawing like mad but eventually they'd start landing in the trees again and then another would fall and they'd repeat the behavior. You'd think they'd realize that staying in that area was a bad idea as their buddies were dropping dead, but they'd stay as long as they couldn't see what was causing the problem. Furthermore, they'd return to that group of trees regularly rather than avoid it.

Yes, I feel bad about that now. Just bringing it up as an example of strange behavior that seems to run counter to other observed behavior and their learning abilities.

[iceman]

I just found this thread by accident, but i still think about Crows v. Gulls. I see it often. Halfway down our yard is the boundary. They both want it.

[Buster Highmen]

I read this recently:
https://www.amazon.com/Bird-Brains-I.../dp/0871569566 .

Basically, this corvidophile gives the schmarts award to the crows, particularly those on some island in the pacific who not only use tools, but the tool technique differs from valley to valley, indicating that it's a cultural thing.

[iceman]

Ice, Gulls would fucking eat Crows. They dont co-exist. The Cape has its Gull areas, and its Crow areas. But there are no Gull/Crow areas. The Crows stay away and hide in the woods. The Gulls go wherever the fuck they want, but theyd rather eat half eaten hot dogs and trash down at the beach over worms and grubs.

Gulls>Crows

Where the fuck is Brock? seriously.

[JimmyCarter]

[Marshall Tucker]

yeah I saw that thing 60 minutes a while back i beleive, with the crows problem-solving. smart fuckers.

[Bobby Stainless]

[Self Jupiter]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!

Yes

[DBdude]

flying dinosaurs

i like crows and unfortunately have seen ravens very few times

[GeezerSteve]

flying dinosaur

Double-crested Cormorant? Surely, you're not suggesting a Crow or any other corvid is a "flying dinosaur."

unfortunately have seen ravens very few times

Sorry to hear it. Ravens are cool birds. You don't get out west much?

[SkiBall]

[DBdude]

Double-crested Cormorant? Surely, you're not suggesting a Crow or any other corvid is a "flying dinosaur."

Sorry to hear it. Ravens are cool birds. You don't get out west much?

pretty sure birds are direct descendents of dinosaurs that survived the die out

i lived in seattle for ten years and yeah saw them out west. they are scarce in vermont

[GeezerSteve]

pretty sure birds are direct descendents of dinosaurs that survived the die out

well, they've evolved a bit since then

[DBdude]

sure

and there is some discussion of semi warm blooded dinos

[GeezerSteve]

dinosaurs did not have feathers
nor hollow thin-wall lightweight bones
nor the brainpower of many modern bird species, especially corvids
etc., etc., etc.

[DBdude]

some dinos are thought to have had feathers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathered_dinosaur

[From_the_NEK]

i lived in seattle for ten years and yeah saw them out west. they are scarce in vermont

Cormorants or Ravens?

I've seen loads of both in VT.

The cormorants are concentrated to Lake Champlain where they have been a bit of an environmental nuisance.

https://www.mynbc5.com/article/biolo...-birds/3327314

That said, Ravens are cool but crows are assholes when they get together in a group.

Sea Gulls are indeed flying rats IMHO. Although they do a great job cleaning up trash from the beaches.

[DBdude]

i didn't mean cormorants - shoot those fuckers

there aren't many ravens around in vt - not in my part. there are some in the NE Kingdom and the the high peaks in NY

[flyandski365]

dinosaurs did not have feathers
nor hollow thin-wall lightweight bones
nor the brainpower of many modern bird species, especially corvids
etc., etc., etc.

Birds aren't related to dinosaurs - they ARE dinosaurs. Descended from theropods, they're the only extant clade of dinos.

[DBdude]

Birds aren't related to dinosaurs - they ARE dinosaurs. Descended from theropods, they're the only extant clade of dinos.

yep - i didn't want to make a big deal about it

[Timberridge]

The French are putting them to work.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/13/63820...h-why-cant-you

[basinbeater]

I hate magpies. When they ate all my cherries one year, that alone pissed me off, but then they shit cherry pits all over the fucking house, cars, decks, everything. Never again. I decided to shoot them all the following year with my pellet gun. It worked. Only a couple came the following year, and this year none came. Fuck those guys.

[From_the_NEK]

Murder of Crows:


Murdered Crow:

(actually I have no idea how this crow died, only that I found the carcass along a trail near my house)

[hawkgt]

put me in the raven camp

3-4 years ago caught a mid week up slope at the local hill, great powder morning and then the sun came out, my cue to leave. drove the road down the hill and a raven was catching the wind buff off the car or something but did about 5-7 barrel rolls right next to my window. very cool.

[Meanfruit]

dinosaurs did not have feathers
nor hollow thin-wall lightweight bones
nor the brainpower of many modern bird species, especially corvids
etc., etc., etc.

But they're not direct descendents of lizards, so what are they? Bird hipped vs. lizard hipped, I say Mothra crushes Godzilla.

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