got spats, need binders

[vinnay]

Spats should be here in a day or two, but i really need bindings for these. ive read the other posts on this, seems like most people have 916s on em. havent been able to locate any, so should i throw 914s on em or bend brakes for p14s???

all you guys w spats/16s, how high do you run your 916s on em?
also, whats the difference between 914fis and axe? is the axe just the powerplate i dont need?


thanks for the feedback.

[gwat]

>should i throw 914s on em or bend brakes for p14s???

Is that really a question?
Of course you should bend the P14 brakes to fit.

[vinnay]

yeah i know everyone hates the 914s so maybe its not a question. so does the question become 916 v p14?

[Spats]

Bend the P14s. Look/Rossi Axials are the only bindings I would put on Spatulas. Nothing else is torsionally stiff enough for such a wide ski.

If you're having problems edging on hard snow with them it's probably because your binding is flexing. Plastic Salomons make 110mm+ skis totally unusable on hard snow. Non-Railflex Tyrolias, Markers, and 916/997 Salomons will be good, non-axial Looks will be better, and axial Looks will be best.

[marshalolson]

my 920's kick ass on the spats.

[vinnay]

does axial just mean any binding in the pivot series/axial from rossi??

waiting to here from 916 guys. also if i had a higher din binding and another quality din binding but not as high, would you put your better binding on powder skis or your all mtn skis??

[Spats]

Yes, that's what I mean by "axial" -- any model with the bottle heelpiece.

DIN doesn't matter; it's the torsional stability of the binding. I have P10s on mine because I have huge feet and can run my bindings low. AFAIK they're identical to a P14 except for the spring.

I left my DIN where I had it on my old skis, and have noticed no problems with the Spatulas. I've released when I needed to and not when I didn't.

I'm sure the 920s are great...but they're hard to find and $$$ for those of us w/o bro deals or proform.

[gwat]

>so does the question become 916 v p14?

Nope, that's not a question either.
You need Looks man!

[vinnay]

will a shop bend the 914 brakes, or have the solly wide breaks if i get sollys??

also, still wondering about which sticks to put the higher din binding on.

is rossi fks/look p18 model the same as the axial/p14 models in terms of torsional rigidity and the axial plate that is safer for your knees? or are those models without the pivot/axial thing?

[gwat]

I'd put the 'better' binding on whatever skis you plan on using most. All mountins I'd assume.
The P18 is the most bomber binding out there, but its tough to stretch the brake over 90mm+, so theres no way you could use them on Spats.

[Spats]

is rossi fks/look p18 model the same as the axial/p14 models in terms of torsional rigidity and the axial plate that is safer for your knees?

The same, if not more solid.

Brakes may not be wide enough to bend around Spatulas, though...my P10s had the 100mm brakes and they barely make it around.

Some shops will bend brakes, others won't. Depends on the shop. Ask first.

[natty dread]

I've got a good 30 days on my spats with the S900 equipe binders. I've had zero problems and I ski them hard and fast (and I'm 6' 2" 205 lbs). I just picked up 2 pair of 916s, so these are the binders I'll use on my other pair of spats (if I don't throw a touring setup on them). For 914/916, use the 110 mm brakes, although they must be modified slightly for use on the 916. BTW I have 914s on a pair of iggies with 60 days on them, no probs there either, although it seems like you have to tighten them up every few weeks.

[marshalolson]

BTW I have 914s on a pair of iggies with 60 days on them, no probs there either, although it seems like you have to tighten them up every few weeks.

salomon had a bad batch of loctite on a run of 912/14's a year or two ago.
all you need to do is warrenty them, and get a new set (most will be done sight un-seen)

[vinnay]

they got here today in great shape, im real excited. they are taking a nap on my bed. ordered some 916s from sportsden (the equipe ver) brand new for 300. also snagged some p18s for 175 on ebay, probably put those on my next all mtn skis.
now i just need colorado to get some snow next week!!

[El Chupacabra]

Bumping old thread for new information in anticipation of winter, and in case this might help anyone looking for binding mount info...

Picked up Spatulas, thinking of mounting Salomon 997s on them. I only have the skinny Salomon brakes, and decided to do some bending on them to see whether I could make skinny brakes fit Spatulas. I bent them successfully, and they'll clear the sides of the skis. There's not much brake left sticking downwards (only the plastic piece + 1-2mm more of the brake arm), so we'll have to see how much the brakes will contact the snow once mounted.

I don't think these brakes will be very effective at actually stopping the skis. But then again, on Spatulas, this shouldn't be a problem in the sort of snow I hope to be skiing them in.... powder cords will be more useful.

-Karl

[FigureEleven]

Slapped all metal 997's on mine and got some assymetrical brakes from Mntlion. The only one side of the brake needed bending and it was only a few mm, so I did it by hand. Least obnoxious spat mount ever.

[El Chupacabra]

Slapped all metal 997's on mine and got some assymetrical brakes from Mntlion. The only one side of the brake needed bending and it was only a few mm, so I did it by hand. Least obnoxious spat mount ever.

I figure the asymmetrical ones are my next step, if my skinny-bent-brakes don't stick down far enough.

[robokill1981]

Slapped all metal 997's on mine and got some assymetrical brakes from Mntlion. The only one side of the brake needed bending and it was only a few mm, so I did it by hand. Least obnoxious spat mount ever.

Second that. I got some from Mntlion and they work really well on my spats. I'm confused about Spats saying that nothing is torsionally stiff enough for such a wide ski. I use S900's (8-16 DIN) @ 14 and have never had a problem with the releasing, or releasing ever for that matter.

[runethechamp]

I'm confused about Spats saying that nothing is torsionally stiff enough for such a wide ski. I use S900's (8-16 DIN) @ 14 and have never had a problem with the releasing, or releasing ever for that matter.

Those are two different issues.

[laseranimal]

so we can clarify forever and ever,

what are the names of the "good" ie metal, salomon binders 900, 997 etc?

[FigureEleven]

so we can clarify forever and ever,

what are the names of the "good" ie metal, salomon binders 900, 997 etc?

Oh if only it were that simple. Some 997's are metal, some aren't. You just have to heft them or tap them and see what they are made of. I think all the 11-17 din 997's are metal though. Most 900's have a metal heel piece too i think.

[El Chupacabra]

Oh if only it were that simple. Some 997's are metal, some aren't. You just have to heft them or tap them and see what they are made of. I think all the 11-17 din 997's are metal though. Most 900's have a metal heel piece too i think.

The 997s I have are visably metal on the heelpiece, with a plastic top part over the heelpiece. The toes look like standard solly plastic, but I didn't tap them to find out.

[Dromond]

Is it really that difficult to reweld/fabricate ultrawide brakes for looks? I seem to remember reading about it somewhere on here.

[freshies]

ditto on Look brake question: is it a bitch to bend these to fit Spats? I think I want to try le Looks this season. Or should I just go with some Sollys and get the extra wide brake set?

[Dromond]

ditto on Look brake question: is it a bitch to bend these to fit Spats? I think I want to try le Looks this season. Or should I just go with some Sollys and get the extra wide brake set?

It just seems silly to let your binding choice be determined by the length of a simple little peice of metal....