PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

[skinipenem]

Will mounting a Strive demo or look spx metrix demo leave enough room to mount a P18 at 295mm bsl in the future?

Which of the two demo bindings would leave the most mount point options open for the p18?

I am determined to play around with mount points on a new pair of skis.

Fwiw: Both these low stack height demo bindings end up with only a 1.5mm difference in stack height after shimming to zero delta.

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[byates1]

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Bit tip broke off in the screw. Any suggestions for removal? Can't get a drill bit tip to penetrate.

I had this I got an extractor bit set from harbor freight. Ended up just using the bit to drill/grind the screw head to nothing.

[Sklimber]

Ended up welding a nut to the bolt and unscrewing it.

[singlesline]

Will mounting a Strive demo or look spx metrix demo leave enough room to mount a P18 at 295mm bsl in the future?

Which of the two demo bindings would leave the most mount point options open for the p18?

I am determined to play around with mount points on a new pair of skis.

Fwiw: Both these low stack height demo bindings end up with only a 1.5mm difference in stack height after shimming to zero delta.

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If I were you, I'd spend some time playing with templates and mount the demo bindings wherever they are least likely to conflict.

Assuming you only need the demo bindings to fit one pair of boots, you have like 3cm of room in either direction to mount either the toe or heel track. The BSL numbers on the tracks will no longer be meaningful and you'll have to set up the binding using the forward pressure indicator, but that's not that hard.

Should be able to find a layout that will leave you totally clear to mount pivots at -1/0/+1 and will let you test those points (or whatever your desired range is)

[skinipenem]

If I were you, I'd spend some time playing with templates and mount the demo bindings wherever they are least likely to conflict.

Assuming you only need the demo bindings to fit one pair of boots, you have like 3cm of room in either direction to mount either the toe or heel track. The BSL numbers on the tracks will no longer be meaningful and you'll have to set up the binding using the forward pressure indicator, but that's not that hard.

Should be able to find a layout that will leave you totally clear to mount pivots at -1/0/+1 and will let you test those points (or whatever your desired range is)

Copy that. That is my plan. More curious whether the strive or spx metrix would have fewer potential conflicts.

Would someone remind me where to find templates for those? I didn't see them on Jon's binding freedom website.

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[XXX-er]

I've done that ^^ the only thing is you can't use the numbers on shim to set bsl/ preload

[stealurface831]

Ended up welding a nut to the bolt and unscrewing it.

Damn that thing was in there. Glad the tack trick worked.


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[jacob_dbu]

What's the consensus on how to fill a hole that's been helicoiled? Bought a pair of skis and didn't realize one set of holes had helicoils. Banged a plastic plug in there, but couldn't figure out why I couldn't shave it flat til I saw the metal.

I'm wondering if I should drill out the plastic, rip out the coils and then dowel + epoxy?

[halliday]

Just epoxy the coils into place. Done.

[jacob_dbu]

Just epoxy the coils into place. Done.

Thanks just needed to hear that, sounds like a good plan.

[AlpiNord]

Copy that. That is my plan. More curious whether the strive or spx metrix would have fewer potential conflicts.

Would someone remind me where to find templates for those? I didn't see them on Jon's binding freedom website.

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(FTR, Jon sold Binding Freedom quite a while ago to SVST.)

Can you get your hands on either demo binding to trace hole, scan the bottoms or both? Or shoot a pic of them with a tape measure? If you get me some data I could overlay the Pivots on their scans. See the template thread a month or two back on the process.

[altacoup]

I’ve been mounting all my own skis for a decade now with great success. However the other day I went to reuse some old holes from a previous mount and lo and behold I got a spinner. I’ve done the epoxy and fiberglass trick before and it’s held. But I figured why not get a helicoil set up. The price for a kit is totally absurd. They just print wintersteiger on it and quadruple the price. If I understand correctly, ski binding screws are m5 screws? I should be able to buy an m5 tap and helicoil install toll off Amazon or harbor freight plus requisite drill bit to properly size hole and then buy helicoils for 50 cents each? Am I missing something?


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[halliday]

I’ve been mounting all my own skis for a decade now with great success. However the other day I went to reuse some old holes from a previous mount and lo and behold I got a spinner. I’ve done the epoxy and fiberglass trick before and it’s held. But I figured why not get a helicoil set up. The price for a kit is totally absurd. They just print wintersteiger on it and quadruple the price. If I understand correctly, ski binding screws are m5 screws? I should be able to buy an m5 tap and helicoil install toll off Amazon or harbor freight plus requisite drill bit to properly size hole and then buy helicoils for 50 cents each? Am I missing something?


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You're not missing anything.

[skinipenem]

(FTR, Jon sold Binding Freedom quite a while ago to SVST.)

Can you get your hands on either demo binding to trace hole, scan the bottoms or both? Or shoot a pic of them with a tape measure? If you get me some data I could overlay the Pivots on their scans. See the template thread a month or two back on the process.

I'm good with making a template from an existing binding. Thank you for the advice though it is excellent as usual.

I'm trying, and failing, to decide between strive and look spx metrix demo bindings. My goal is to use whichever one will allow for more p18 mount point options after taking the demo bindings off.

Perhaps either will work the to the same end?.

Any thoughts?

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[PeachesNCream]

I'm good with making a template from an existing binding. Thank you for the advice though it is excellent as usual.

I'm trying, and failing, to decide between strive and look spx metrix demo bindings. My goal is to use whichever one will allow for more p18 mount point options after taking the demo bindings off.

Perhaps either will work the to the same end?.

Any thoughts?

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I’m not the expert here so take my advice with a grain of salt. Pivots have a short mounting span (there’s a better word for span but I’m not remembering it now) and I think demo bindings have a large mounting span so I think it’s unlikely you’ll have conflicts. Maybe check the toe. You could also mount the demo binding with a larger than standard bsl and that would also help avoid conflicts. Personally is go with the strive demo binder just cause it sounds like a decent demo binding from the thread on here


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[altacoup]

You're not missing anything.

Thanks. The only truly useful tool not available without the wintersteiger name for helicoils is the stepped bit that prevents one from drilling too deep.


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[waveshello]

Thanks. The only truly useful tool not available without the wintersteiger name for helicoils is the stepped bit that prevents one from drilling too deep.


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You're missing something! Alpine bindings screws are 12AB thread. #12 sheet metal screws are very close and you may be able to find a helicoil for that size.

M5 is the machine screw thread size for the binding freedom and QK inserts.

A ski binding screw thread is a ST5.5x1.8 were:

The ST prefix = self-tapping.
The 5.5 = 5.5mm outside thread diameter
The 1.8 = 1.8mm pitch

The nearest imperial thread size is a 12AB which in metric is a M5.3x1.81. Because it's so close to the binding screw spec & is more readily available it's the 12AB taps that are used to tap the metal top sheets for skis.

Don't have any info re the thread size tolerances.

[AlpiNord]

Thanks. The only truly useful tool not available without the wintersteiger name for helicoils is the stepped bit that prevents one from drilling too deep.


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With a 5/16” shaft and 1/4” tip, the shoulder is minimal. It’s best to use a stop, with either the stepped bit or straight 1/4” bit.

SVST has a heli-coil kit, but also spendy due to the tap and specific heli-coil installation tool. Nylon tap-ins are a much better value and work similarly for 12AB, M5.5 alpine screws.

There are a lot more M5 machine screw options available for Binding Freedom or Quiver Killer stainless steel inserts than alpine options. Not only are they good for spinner repairs, but also if you are close to old holes with new holes, shimming, canting or binding swaps.

[slowroastin]

Love the Pivot toe but don’t like the heel so much. Wish there was a lighter PX15 heel with more brake sizes.

Will the SPX15 mount flat on a ski?

Does it need the rocker race plate to function properly?

And will the PX15 or any other wider brakes work on the SPX15?

Will the SPX15 work with a Grip Walk AFD plate?

And yes this jong used the search bar.


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[dcpnz]

Love the Pivot toe but don’t like the heel so much. Wish there was a lighter PX15 heel with more brake sizes.

Will the SPX15 mount flat on a ski?

Does it need the rocker race plate to function properly?

And will the PX15 or any other wider brakes work on the SPX15?

Will the SPX15 work with a Grip Walk AFD plate?

And yes this jong used the search bar.


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Not officially - Look says spx 15 rockerace requires the race plate - regular rumblings of folks here and at skitalk flat mounting them but I’ve never seen a report back how it worked out - maybe they died

Brakes are not a direct swap - but over on skitalk there’s a step by step how-to and it looked like a huge pita

And not gripwalk certified either - but I think you’re asking if you can swap the AFD out for the GW one which I have no idea about but I believe it’s exactly the same toe as the pivot 15 so don’t see why not.

[skinipenem]

I’m not the expert here so take my advice with a grain of salt. Pivots have a short mounting span (there’s a better word for span but I’m not remembering it now) and I think demo bindings have a large mounting span so I think it’s unlikely you’ll have conflicts. Maybe check the toe. You could also mount the demo binding with a larger than standard bsl and that would also help avoid conflicts. Personally is go with the strive demo binder just cause it sounds like a decent demo binding from the thread on here


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Thank you and others

Ordered the strive demi

Will report back after mounting dem beyotches

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[ski-wpk]

Mounted my own fucking skis. Outlaw X’s at +0.75 to avoid prior BMF/R mount (7 screws for the toe). Used marine epoxy for the first time. Still can’t find my tap.

[XXX-er]

I’ve been mounting all my own skis for a decade now with great success. However the other day I went to reuse some old holes from a previous mount and lo and behold I got a spinner. I’ve done the epoxy and fiberglass trick before and it’s held.

yeah I'm pretty sure I originally came up with that ^^ hack maybe 20 yrs ago on a dark & stormy night

I was mounting a 7TM to a Fisher All-trax and 3 of 4 screws were spinners

so when something fucks up always look around the room for a way to MacGyver it

also came up with BBQ sqewers and AQS

of course when i suggested any of it on TGR I was the Anti-christ

glad it works for you

[tgapp]

yeah I'm pretty sure I originally came up with that ^^ hack maybe 20 yrs ago on a dark & stormy night

I was mounting a 7TM to a Fisher All-trax and 3 of 4 screws were spinners

so when something fucks up always look around the room for a way to MacGyver it

also came up with BBQ sqewers and AQS

of course when i suggested any of it on TGR I was the Anti-christ

glad it works for you

wow you are so cool

question - to mount the AL05 freeride spacer can I use a standard 3.6mm bit?

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[XXX-er]

fucked if I know, i'm still using a 5/32 bit with a wine bottle cork for the stop

edit: but the point would be nobody thot it was a cool idea they all thot you would die but I did talk a few people thru it on private messages and it alwasy worked far as I know

or else they are dead eh