What's wrong with this picture?

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Picture taken after my buddy's Rossi 140 heelpiece unexplicably ripped out of his Seth Pistol this afternoon.



I dunno about you guys, but that rear-left hole (upper left) looks like it was drilled twice. As a matter of fact, both of the rear holes look like they were drilled twice. Gee, I wonder why his heelpiece came out.

Nice work, Sports Den.

[bagtagley]

Upper left definitely looks like it was redrilled. Bottom left looks more like the guy rotated the drill around.

Top right looks kinda ugly too, could be from the screw ripping out though.

I hope he plans on confronting the doods from Sports Den.

[Castro's]

I'd say the top left was drilled twice. The bottom left looks a little strange, but not conclusive to say it was also drilled twice. (although in my personal opinion it was, but what do I know )

[ScottG]

Agree about the double drill. Don't they have a jig?? that's a freehand mount.

Most of the force, though, is taken by the front screws in a heelpiece.

Is there no metal topsheet in that ski? If not, then it deserves neither the Sex Pistol, nor the Seth Morrisson moniker. Metal is Meaty.

No metal is all the more reason why the double hole left no grip. Should have filled with JB Weld and re-drilled rather than just elongating the hole.

Maybe the shop didn't use any epoxy to bond the threads to the wood core?? No epoxy and no metal topsheet is no good.

[PNWbrit]

You buddy needs to hobble into the store on crutches head bandaged maybe with drool down chin and disturbing twitch thing going on. You should be dressed in a suit and tie waving some phoney business cards saying you're his attorney.

Demand to see the manager and the tech who mounted the skis. Meanwhile hand out copies of the photo you posted to as many people as you can in the store.

You will receive at least one new pair of skis plus a substantial pile of cash/store credit. Take new skis elsewhere to get them mounted.

Everyone screws up and trashes a ski from time to time but handing a mount like that to a customer is unacceptable.

[Woodsy]

You buddy needs to hobble into the store on crutches head bandaged maybe with drool down chin and disturbing twitch thing going on. You should be dressed in a suit and tie waving some phoney business cards saying you're his attorney.

Demand to see the manager and the tech who mounted the skis. Meanwhile hand out copies of the photo you posted to as many people as you can in the store.

You will receive at least one new pair of skis plus a substantial pile of cash/store credit. Take new skis elsewhere to get them mounted.

Everyone screws up and trashes a ski from time to time but handing a mount like that to a customer is unacceptable.

phUnk dont tip em off either........

[phUnk]

phUnk dont tip em off either........

I wouldn't think of it, for the right price.

[Tippster]

Scott, if you epoxy your scews into your skis, I hope you never want to either 1. Sell your skis, or 2. upgrade to different bindings.

Sidenote: Metal bends, wood flexes.


Sidenote 2: Please tell me where you work, so i never get my shit worked on there.

[Free Range Lobster]

Men who huck, ride wood.

[FNG]

You buddy needs to hobble into the store on crutches head bandaged maybe with drool down chin and disturbing twitch thing going on. You should be dressed in a suit and tie waving some phoney business cards saying you're his attorney.

Demand to see the manager and the tech who mounted the skis. Meanwhile hand out copies of the photo you posted to as many people as you can in the store.

You will receive at least one new pair of skis plus a substantial pile of cash/store credit. Take new skis elsewhere to get them mounted.

Everyone screws up and trashes a ski from time to time but handing a mount like that to a customer is unacceptable.

I concur.

910

[Pedro]

You buddy needs to hobble into the store on crutches head bandaged maybe with drool down chin and disturbing twitch thing going on. You should be dressed in a suit and tie waving some phoney business cards saying you're his attorney.

Demand to see the manager and the tech who mounted the skis. Meanwhile hand out copies of the photo you posted to as many people as you can in the store.

You will receive at least one new pair of skis plus a substantial pile of cash/store credit. Take new skis elsewhere to get them mounted.

Everyone screws up and trashes a ski from time to time but handing a mount like that to a customer is unacceptable.

Screw the crutches, go in with a wheel chair.

[Alkasquawlik]

Men who huck, ride wood.

Not True.

910

[Woodsy]

Not True.

910

sorry men who huck and PAY for their broken skis ride wood

[gramps]

A friend of mine ripped a binding out of his brand new Blizzards he had mounted at Sports Den, and blamed it on a poor mounting. I've had my skis mounted there and never had a problem, but it sounds like there might be a bad ski tech or something. You should get new skis for that, don't take any shit from them.

[13]

Update:

They told him that they didn't do anything wrong and wouldn't give him new skis or help him out.

Instead they slapped some heli-coils in and remounted his heelpiece.

Hope the other fuckin' heelpiece doesn't rip out on him.

Good fuckin' work Sports Den. Way to help your business.

[ScottG]

Scott, if you epoxy your scews into your skis, I hope you never want to either 1. Sell your skis, or 2. upgrade to different bindings.

Sidenote: Metal bends, wood flexes.


Sidenote 2: Please tell me where you work, so i never get my shit worked on there.

Actually, the screws come out pretty easy. Most of the epoxy sinks into the wood or the foam where it hardens and strengthens. Contrary to popular opinion, epoxy does not bond well to metal.

Epoxy in screwholes is standard Telemark binding protocol, has been for years. I just removed my Fritschis off my Rex that I mounted last season with epoxy, and they came right out.

P.S. - Metal topsheet over wood core! best of both worlds.

[loamslug]

Don't use epoxy - even when mounting tele skis. It most definitely is a bitch to take the screws out later. Also, certain foam cores react with epoxy - the epoxy melts it, and then you have a bigger problem.

As long as the right bit is used to mount a binding on a ski with no metal in it (3.5 x 9.5), its pretty tough to rip a binding out. Personally, I like skis with metal, but everyone has their own opinion.

[phUnk]

Actually, the screws come out pretty easy. Most of the epoxy sinks into the wood or the foam where it hardens and strengthens. Contrary to popular opinion, epoxy does not bond well to metal.

Epoxy in screwholes is standard Telemark binding protocol, has been for years. I just removed my Fritschis off my Rex that I mounted last season with epoxy, and they came right out.

P.S. - Metal topsheet over wood core! best of both worlds.

Metal bends and then you're fucked. That's the point.

Remember when you put up all this information about the older 194 Dynastar Super Nobis in the 186 Dynastar Legend Pros thread because you didn't know the difference? Yeah.

[ScottG]

Metal bends and then you're fucked. That's the point.

Remember when you put up all this information about the older 194 Dynastar Super Nobis in the 186 Dynastar Legend Pros thread because you didn't know the difference? Yeah.

Get over yourself.
Why does my ski have bright orange graphics and say "Legend Pro Rider" on it?? If you have a problem, talk to Dynastar. I do know the difference.
read the thread, and I made it clear what version I ride.
There are THREE skis that are technically legend Pros. 2 long and one short. If you want to call the long and narrow one a Super Nobis, fine, but that's not what the ski says.

P.S. - if you hate metal sheets so much, then why do you like LP's? Why is the LP/Bro graphic your avatar?

[ScottG]

Here's a link to Lou Dawson wildsnow.com about mounting Naxos or Freerides:
http://www.wildsnow.com/articles/nax...o_mount_1.html
I'd search for other resources, but I just don't care to waste any more time.
If you don't like epoxy, at least try some wood glue.
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*(Drill bits: Ski shops use special drill bits for drilling skis, usually 4.1 mm for skis with metal layers, and 3.9 mm for skis without metal. If you mount a lot of skis, it's a good idea to buy some special drill bits from an outfit such as Tognar Toolworks, but for most people it's okay to use the 5/32 inch drill bit as suggested above. If you do so, especially with non-metal skis, just be careful as you twist the screws in so you don't over-tighten them and strip the holes, and always use epoxy in the holes. If in doubt about tightning a screw, insert it with light torque, let the epoxy set up, then take the screw out and re-insert with more epoxy and a bit more torque. More, if you are an agressive skier using high DIN settings (above 9 or 10), always use the EXACT drill bit size recommended by the ski manufacturer, tap the holes, and insert screws with epoxy.)

[phUnk]

Get over yourself.
Why does my ski have bright orange graphics and say "Legend Pro Rider" on it??

YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT SKI THAN EVERYBODY ELSE IN THAT THREAD. You didn't seem to realize it.

You have this air of misinformation about you.

Also, I never said I hated metal. I was re-iterating others' comments that metal skis bend where wood-only skis do not. It didn't seem like you understood that's what people were saying.

And my avatar is a tatoo I got inked on my thigh over the summer, so mind your own damn business.

[PNWbrit]

Update:

They told him that they didn't do anything wrong and wouldn't give him new skis or help him out.

Instead they slapped some heli-coils in and remounted his heelpiece.

Hope the other fuckin' heelpiece doesn't rip out on him.

Good fuckin' work Sports Den. Way to help your business.

Did they also yank his pants down and bend him over the bench?

Give my dog a power drill and he'd do a better job of mounting a ski!

What on earth was their explanation for the miss drilled holes? Did they pull the other binding off to check that one? There isn't a ski shop in the world that hasn't fucked up a ski before but that's just god awful customer service and zero concern for their clients and others safety.

[Pig Bodine]

Don't use epoxy - even when mounting tele skis. It most definitely is a bitch to take the screws out later. Also, certain foam cores react with epoxy - the epoxy melts it, and then you have a bigger problem.

Yeah, if you have skis with a metal topsheet its ok, but if is wood core w/out metal, i.e. most pre-insert K2's, ALWAYS use epoxy. You will rip your tele binders with any type of bigger boot. As far as removing the bindings later either take your sautering iron and hold to the top of the screw for a few seconds or run a small bit in reverse on the top. Voila, the heat softens the epox and your ready to go...

[summit]

That shop needs to buy you new skis. End of story no questions asked.

Our shop prefers carpenters wood glue (not water based) to epoxy for all mounts.

Metal skis can bend. Wood skis can break. I ski wood skis with and without metal.

[72Twenty]

Update:

They told him that they didn't do anything wrong and wouldn't give him new skis or help him out.

Instead they slapped some heli-coils in and remounted his heelpiece.

Hope the other fuckin' heelpiece doesn't rip out on him.

Good fuckin' work Sports Den. Way to help your business.

I guess you could always have him contact K2 directly and tell them what happened & how it was handled. Send them pics and maybe they can replace the ski (?)