WEED, The Official Thread

[splat]

If you REALLY wanted to get to the beginning wouldn't it be caffeine? and how about nicotine? Pffffffft, the only reason, IMHO, that MJ is a "gateway drug" is because it doesn't do enough to turn the addicts crank. Again, IMHO, ppl who are Meth, Heroine, Cocaine etc. etc. addicts didn't get what they needed from MJ so they moved on. It's like taking a bite of each chocolate in the box until you find the one you like. You do it because your looking for that that one you want not because the first bite lowered your inhibition but hey.... maybe I'm way off base and it's just taking me 20 years to get through the gate. Help! I'm stuck! Ahhhhhhhhhh!

Ah, c'mon...we all know it was sex, the original sin.

[Bromontana]

nepalese charas

candy kush / sweet tooth / flowerbomb kush / blue cheese

sour diesel / jack herrer / purple haze / strawberry sour diesel / chocolope / bubblegum / jamaican

first timer in Amsterdam, it's amazing how different the strains are. And first time buying hash, had to go for the charas.. great body relaxation. I can see why it's such an old custom.

[KQ]

I'll tell you what...... I'm pretty psyched about industrial hemp production being opened up in WA state. If it does you can bet I will be in line to get a license to plant.

[Zeedashbo]

how much $$$ can you make on industrial hemp? just grow males and harvest trees?

[Tippster]

I always liked Hemp (and Bamboo) clothing. I hope this happens.

[Pow4Brains]

how much $$$ can you make on industrial hemp? just grow males and harvest trees?

My guess is lots. Just like the flowers I think some hemp is better than others. Issue will be the water rights to grow it, they some thirsty bitches.

[DasBlunt]

I'll tell you what...... I'm pretty psyched about industrial hemp production being opened up in WA state. If it does you can bet I will be in line to get a license to plant.

Any lines or special knowledge on getting seeds?

[KQ]

how much $$$ can you make on industrial hemp? just grow males and harvest trees?

As Pow4Brains said below, I would imagine prospects are good which is why I want to give it a go. Almost every part of the plant is used from the seeds and oil to the chopped up stems for horse bedding. It's a wonderful plant with many uses, heck even our founding fathers knew that, both Washington and Jefferson grew the plant on their farms and extolled its virtues.

My guess is lots. Just like the flowers I think some hemp is better than others. Issue will be the water rights to grow it, they some thirsty bitches.

Yes.... water rights. I'm not bad right now but will be picking up 20 more acres that comes with some great water rights. All my irrigation comes out of the river so ultimately it's up to mother nature. Recently the Dept of Ecology has been working on closing up go-nowhere tributaries which has done a lot to increase the water volume. Last year was the best in 5 years for water and it wasn't our wettest and that is mainly due to the efforts of the Dept of Ecology (and to a lesser extent the Tribes who are helping to preserve fish habitat).

Any lines or special knowledge on getting seeds?

That's just the thing - the Washington State Legislature is, at this time, only authorizing WSU to conduct studies on seed production and selection and the viability of the crop in Washington. You could probably find seeds - it is grown commercially all of the world and even in our own county but with it not being an licensed crop in our state I don't know if you'd have a market it for it and if you did you'd have to fly under the radar. I don't need trouble so I can wait. I'm growing other things right now.

Here is a site discussing the legislation:

Washington State - Vote Hemp Information

[KQ]

in e. wa. this will be the norm.
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The crop has proven to be a money maker plus it is good for the enviroment/soil. Here's a little info on some of the uses/figures:

Market enthusiasts identify thousands of potential products which can be produced from industrial hemp. Such
items include clothing, cosmetics, lotions, shampoos, soaps, paper, food, feed, beer, biofuels, animal bedding,
building materials, insulation, car moldings among many other consumer and industrial products. Industrial hemp
is grown for its seed and for the fibers from its stalk. (see Appendix I for a production and supply chain for hemp).
There are many merits of hemp fiber and oil -- superior fiber length, strength, and absorbency, excellent oil
quality for both industrial and feed uses, potential environmental benefits, and a myriad of other applications.
Sales of hemp products to U.S. consumers have reportedly topped $500 million in recent years, while U.S. hemp
imports continue to grow. (Hemp Industry Association)

Appendix I - Production, Processing and the Supply Chain can be found HERE.

HERE is a Forbes article that reiterates the figures mentioned above

[abraham]

Could you talk to wsu and try to get involved or do they use their own land for testing?

[KQ]

Could you talk to wsu and try to get involved or do they use their own land for testing?

Now there's a thought! I had a friend who worked with WSU re: establishing productive Jonagold apple orchards in the Snoqualmie Valley - they needed land for testing and he had it to lend. Those were some great apples - made amazing pies!

[liv2ski]

Hemp and piiiiieeeeeeeeeee, mmmmmmmmmmmm
b

Fixed it for you and don't forget the vanilla ice cream

[mud]

Smartest Kid Ever Sells Girl Scout Cookies Outside a Medical Marijuana Clinic

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[systemoverblow'd]

Any of you guys tried "wax?" It's the first I have heard of it. Out of the loop.

http://news.yahoo.com/colo-marijuana...opstories.html

[mud]

Any of you guys tried "wax?" It's the first I have heard of it. Out of the loop.

http://news.yahoo.com/colo-marijuana...opstories.html

Oh god yes, its all I use to buy when I was in CO.
Little dab will do yah all day.
Best part is it doesn't smell like weed more like a clove ciggie so it was good for road trips outside CO borders.
We got pulled over for speeding outside Rock Springs after a session and the cop didn't even question the stink.

[fantastic_damage]

Any of you guys tried "wax?" It's the first I have heard of it. Out of the loop.

http://news.yahoo.com/colo-marijuana...opstories.html

Their source in the story says 1 hit = 20 joints. What a load of utter bullshit sensationalism.
1 hit of Wax is about 3 to 4 pulls off a joint of primo.

I can see the concern with this fucking up the cause: idiot + bathtub chemistry = disaster. The fact that the comparison to exploding meth labs is in the same sentence as an MJ product is not a good thing.
WA banning it is pretty incredible...seems like that is just going to promote more amateurs?

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[KQ]

Their source in the story says 1 hit = 20 joints. What a load of utter bullshit sensationalism.
1 hit of Wax is about 3 to 4 pulls off a joint of primo.

I can see the concern with this fucking up the cause: idiot + bathtub chemistry = disaster. The fact that the comparison to exploding meth labs is in the same sentence as an MJ product is not a good thing.
WA banning it is pretty incredible...seems like that is just going to promote more amateurs?

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Last news report I saw on TV about a week ago (local channel, CBS affiliate) did not indicate wax/oil/hash production was banned in WA. What they did say was production was limited to licensed facilities that utilized closed systems and that those systems were very expensive which may limit availability. Also, there is a glitch in the way the law was written regarding stand alone concentrates which they are working to remedy.

Excerpt from July 2013 Article:

The state’s new pot law unintentionally defined sellable marijuana in a way that excluded this use of concentrates and extracts. Initially, state regulators believed they would only be infused in edible or liquid products, and that they couldn’t allow the stand-alone sale of concentrates.

After much feedback, regulators did an about-face.

They were persuaded that banning concentrates would hand the black market a lucrative product that is potentially risky to make and consume. Better to bring concentrates under state rules and safety standards, said Randy Simmons, the state’s marijuana project director.

Also from an article published this month:

[T]he Washington's Liquor Control Board (LCB) [has said] regarding the recreational sale of extracts [that] [t]he language of I-502 originally did not allow for cannabis extracts that were not infused in other products. However, if a concentrate is infused with an "inert oil or similar substance," it meets the definition of a "marijuana infused product" and is allowable for sale. The LCB says they are working to clean up the bill's language to clarify the definition of a cannabis concentrate, and have introduced a bill that would allow non-infused oils. More information is available in their website's FAQ section.

Articles are here and here

[Zeedashbo]

From what I can tell it's a dosage and labeling thing.

Example: say a .25 gram of 15% thc greens is a single dose. So what's a dose of 98% dabbers? .05?

Washington took the we give a fuck approach. Bad call.

[NoPostholio]

good stuff.
b

Did you get any of that accruement on a potato at jaks yet?

[NoPostholio]

One heavy pat o lard = 3 canuckistan aspirin or 17 joints

[NoPostholio]

I tried to scale batch up from soccer mom strength - only time will tell. Zucchini bread might work and buttered for double down.

[deeppo]

Two weeks to go what do you do? 6 VIP's(blueberry x pineapple) in 5 gal soiless mix(promix). Thinking one more feeding then just water and molasses to finish.
Its been a good grow so far no bugs or other issues

Thx

[KQ]

This article ran in our local paper today. I wonder how much of an tourist trade from Oregon and Idaho we will see and if it will be mostly ppl who already come here for the wine.

As US states allow pot sales, Dutch reverse course

MAASTRICHT, Netherlands — A young man at a bus stop hisses at a passer-by: “What you looking for ... marijuana?” It’s a scene of street peddling that the Netherlands hoped to stamp out in the 1970s when it launched a policy of tolerating “coffee shops” where people could buy and smoke pot freely.

But Maastricht’s street dealers are back, local residents complain. And the reason is a crackdown on coffee-shops triggered by another problem: Pot tourists who crossed the border to visit the cafes and made a nuisance of themselves by snarling traffic, dumping litter and even urinating in the streets.

This exchange of one drug problem for another has become a headache for Maastricht — and may give reason for pause in the U.S. states of Washington and Colorado that recently allowed the sale of marijuana for the first time. The Netherlands, the world pioneer in pot liberalization, has recently taken a harder line toward marijuana, with mixed results seen particularly in border towns such as Maastricht.

The central government clampdown has involved banning people who live outside the Netherlands from coffee shops, and shuttering shops that are deemed to be too close to schools. There was even a short-lived policy that said smokers had to apply for a “Weed Pass” to get into a coffee shop. The new rules were rolled out across the country between the middle of 2012 and the beginning of last year.

But while the central government made the rules, it’s up to local municipalities to enforce them — and most are embracing only part of the policy.

Amsterdam — with some 200 licensed coffee shops, one-third of the nationwide total — still lets foreigners visit them, although it is closing coffee shops that are near schools.

One city that has embraced the crackdown whole-heartedly is Maastricht, in the southern province of Limburg close to the Dutch borders with Belgium and Germany.

Its mayor, Onno Hoes, says he enforced the legislation to halt a daily influx of thousands of foreigners who crossed the borders to stock up on pot at its 14 coffee shops. That effort to end so-called “drug tourism” has been successful, local residents say, but the flip side has been a rise in street dealers like the man who recently tried to sell pot to an AP reporter in Maastricht.

Carol Berghmans lives close to the River Maas, whose muddy waters bisect the city, and whose banks are frequented by dealers he sees as he walks his dog each day.

He says there were certainly problems before the crackdown as cars filled with pot tourists poured into the cobbled streets of central Maastricht — but he described the atmosphere as “gezellig,” a Dutch word that loosely translates as cozy or convivial.

Since coffee shops were banned from selling to non-residents, the numbers of foreigners has dried up. But the atmosphere in town has turned darker as street dealers now aggressively badger any potential clients and fight among themselves, Berghmans says.

“Now the drug runners are trying to sell on the street to anyone,” he says. “They are bothering everybody.”

Maastricht city spokesman Gertjan Bos said the problem of street dealing is not new, but concedes it has become more visible since the city’s crackdown reduced the number of drug tourists.

“We have a feeling our approach is working,” Bos said, “but we do still have to work on the street dealers.”

Easy Going coffee shop, in a street linking Maastricht’s historic market square with the Maas, has been shut for months as its owner, Marc Josemans, refuses to adhere to the rule about selling only to Dutch residents.

“I won’t discriminate,” he explains. He is fighting a legal battle against the new rules and expects the Dutch Supreme Court to issue a ruling soon on whether turning away non-Dutch residents is constitutional.

Experts also question the Dutch policy change.

August de Loor has for years run a bureau in Amsterdam that gives drug advice aimed at minimizing health risks for users as well as testing party drugs such as ecstasy for purity.

He says coffee shops once played an important role not only in keeping cannabis users away from hard drugs like heroin, but also educating them about safely using pot and providing a meeting place for people who would rather smoke a joint than drink a beer.

“That special element of the Dutch model makes coffee shops unique in the world,” he said, “and that is gradually fading away.”

One part of the Dutch drug experience that has remained illegal is commercial cultivation of weed. Meaning that while coffee shops are tolerated — and taxed — the people who supply them are not.

In January, a group of 35 municipalities, including both Amsterdam and Maastricht, called on the central government to allow regulated growing, saying it would take the harvest out of the hands of organized crime.

The Dutch Justice Minister, Ivo Opstelten, was blunt in his rejection: “I’m not doing it,” he said. “The mayors have to live with it.”

Prof. Dirk Korf, a criminologist at the University of Amsterdam, says the Dutch tolerance policy has worked well.

“The clear success is that there is regulated supply to users without having a strong effect on the prevalence on use itself,” he said. “One could be afraid that more people would use cannabis; that has not been the case.”

Jo Smeets, a former coffee shop worker in Maastricht, complains his neighborhood has been overrun by dealers since the city’s crackdown. The dealers, he says, sell drugs on the streets to people who previously would have bought in tightly controlled coffee shops: “Now they can buy more and they can buy hard drugs from the same dealers.”

Amsterdam’s coffee shops, by contrast, continue to welcome foreigners with open arms.

The main difference between the two cities is the type of tourist they attract. In Maastricht, foreigners drive over the border, visit a coffee shop and drive back on the same day. In Amsterdam, tourists mostly arrive by plane or train, stay in a hotel and visit museums and restaurants — as well as dropping in on a coffee shop — plowing far more cash into the city.

On a recent Friday afternoon in the Dutch Flowers coffee shop on Amsterdam’s historic Singel canal, German and American voices mingled with English and Dutch in a hazy cloud of pot smoke.

Shawn Stabley, a 49-year-old, musician and IT director from York, Pennsylvania, is typical of the type of tourist Amsterdam coffee shops attract.

He and his partner strolled into Dutch Flowers for a smoke after visiting another Amsterdam icon, the Anne Frank House museum, a short walk away on another of the city’s canals. The cafe has a few tables, a bar with a set of electronic scales for weighing out drugs and a menu filled with names of marijuana and hashish like Neville’s Haze and Parvati Creme.

The couple has been visiting the city for 20 years to celebrate Thanksgiving, Stabley says. He says they don’t plan to stop the tradition now, even if he can buy pot closer to home in Denver or Seattle.

“Every window is picturesque,” Stabley said, “and coming here to places that serve hash and marijuana just enhances that and prolongs it.”

[NoPostholio]

I usually grab a teener and go watch fights at home de pot -

[Bobby Stainless]

Sounds pretty sweet...

http://denver.craigslist.org/apa/4353486030.html