WEED, The Official Thread

[DasBlunt]

Are your nutrients at least somewhat "organic"?

These are the nutrients you need.




And some Ph up or down, depending on the PH of your water.

Medium is CoCo with 25% chunky perlite mixed in. I use bagged Botanicare Ready Gro. I also like 5 gallon smart pots.

I also add a product called bloombastic later on.

Tents are just easy to set up, and the inside already has a reflective material. A shed, with panda film stapled to the walls will work fine.

[highangle]

My cells don't give a shit where they get elemental oxygen, calcium, and iron. Neither do yours, and neither do those of your plants.
As long as they get everything they need and not too much else, they're happy.


"Organic" implies a soil system, and colonies of symbiots working to rot leaves and turn shit into Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium in a form available to plants to uptake through their roots.

Coco and a nutrient solution that includes available NPK replaces that, and more suitably for a tent or other indoor grow.
When one grows inside using hydroponics (and coco can be very much pure hydroponics), anaerobes are the Death. Avoid them in nutrient solution by limiting light, constant recirculation, and constant oxygenation/aeration of all mixed nutes.


To tents: One can get by with less than 4KW...I'd recommend a 600w, a 1000W, or a 1200W digital ballast running 2x600w HPS bulbs.
I'd also recommend a "Lung Room", one that constantly draws in, over a sealed enviro with dehumidifiers/AC. Get good at basic growing before you bust a nut on complexity.

A single 1000w digi in a good air-cooled hood can light 6x6'. Old school was 5x5 max, but digi 1000w lamps can light burn if you put plants just as close to the same bulb as with conventional ballast. So grow more for the same $$.
More plants in the same space=more weight for a given input of time/materials. With coco slabs or pots on automated drippers, one can use about 1/2 the coco as one might if he were using soil. So use smaller pots, and more of them than you would with soil.

GH is cheap. So is coco. So are pumps, timers, and tubing. Panda is expensive, but not that horrible. One can put together a new 1000w grow room for $1000-$1500. You should be able to get 3 or more grows out of a HPS bulb. A digi ballast should last years of constant use if it lasts a week. Everything else is pretty much capital investment too, as it's good for many grows.
Another $150-$200 for a veg/propagation area can keep you rollin with new clones in right after the chop. You have to think about some period of 24/7 veg regardless.

Look up "H3AD Method". GH 0/6/9 in pure coco. It blows'em the fuck up with pots or slabs with drippers, irrigating 5x/12-hour day. Pure hydroponics, with no reliance on soil cultures, or "beneficial bacteria". Hydro nutes like GH are ready and available to be used by the plant. Plants LOVE them, typically growing much larger and faster than in soil outdoors.

Only "prob" I've ever seen is a friend who has to have a certain strain @ PH 5.6 when he flips, else he sees cal def. In a week, he can let it drift up to 5.8, and then up gradually through flower, until he starts flushing with 6.2ish water. Shows the power, though, of the nute system. It's all there in perfectly adequate quantities, and there's few nute problems a small adjustment of the H3Ad can't fix.
But he has to make that extra calcium available to that particular strain the first week or so after the flip. With 1000w over 9 pots of that strain in a negative-pressure lung room with the H3Ad Method, he looks for 1.5 to 2lbs of manicured flower in 8 weeks, plus about 1/2 oz of wax & iso hash. Dialed pretty well though, with just 1x6" fan and carbon filter.

"How much nute do I need to buy?" - H3AD Method= 6ml Micro/9ml Bloom per gal of water, drained to waste. 1 gal=3785ml. 3785/9=420.555gal Bloom. 3785/6=630.833gal Micro.
With 1000w digi lamp, a room with constant air exchange, 6-9 plants @ 3' tall sucking 10 gal of juice a day like they do when they're making weight...A gal of Micro will get you through 2 grows, and 3 gallons Bloom will get you through the same 2 flowering cycles.
Protip: Buy your GH by the gallon, or 3-gallon, or 6-gallon containers. H3Ad Method almost as cheep as it gets (KISS/Maxibloom is supposedly cheaper, but I know the H3Ad Method kicks ass when you run it like 'dro and makes sum good clean smoke. Plus, you can DTW and pour the W straight onto the veggie garden, lawn, and fruit trees. )

Remember the 3 Rules to avoid The Man becoming part of your life:

No tell.
No smell.
No sell.




HTH

[Bobby Stainless]

Are your nutrients at least somewhat "organic"?

Not at all.

I like to know exactly what my plants are getting and when. Then I like for it to be easily flushed out.

highangle did a great job explaining the H3ad Formula, and why I use it. H3ad was also my favorite breeder, when he was in the biz.

Still run his Casey Jones and Wavy Gravy.




Lights go off tonight. Chopping them the week before Thanksgiving.

[liv2ski]

Far from a weed newb but total grow newb here. Can someone point me to a "basic grow tent set up how to"?

I am pretty much a jong too, as my wife handles the feeding, etc. In our guest room, I have a 600 & 400 watt lights/ballasts. I use the metal hilide bulb for growing and hps bulbs for flowering. This last grow was 4 plants that will likely yield about 4 oz's per plant under the 600 watt light. Hard wood floors have plastic down in case I spill when watering. I have a closet lined with reflective Mylar for when the plants are small. As they grow, I move the light and plants out of the closet a bit (no closet doors) and I have very tall cardboard lined with Mylar around them. With windows open, I don't need ac where I live and I have a few fans going for ventilation. My wife uses organic Old Age Grow and Old Age Bloom and we grow in Black Gold organic soil. We also use really big containers (I am guessing 10-15 gallons) as the plants get bigger in those than in 5 gallon containers we tried in the past. 4 plants need about a 4' X 6' area once mature, to easily water. That's all I got for you. Have fun.

[highangle]

Not at all.

I like to know exactly what my plants are getting and when. Then I like for it to be easily flushed out.

highangle did a great job explaining the H3ad Formula, and why I use it. H3ad was also my favorite breeder, when he was in the biz.

Still run his Casey Jones and Wavy Gravy.

Thanx. Would love to get my lungs around sum of that...Alas. Republifucking footdraging continues apace here in The Great Land...

Lights go off tonight. Chopping them the week before Thanksgiving.

So much good clean fun going on here...That's gonna get so fkn BIG.


Elegance in mathematics, science, and engineering connotes the cleanest and simplest path to the desired result, with the least amount of drama. It's why we like Japanese swordplay, Euler's Number, and the St Louis Arch. Keep It Simple.

The reason H3Ad is a great way to get into croppin' your own is because: If you know you're doing it right, it's one. less. thing.

Growing some fatty Better Boys in the backyard is one thing, but growing $2000-$3000+ gifts to humanity is another fucking thing altogether. Especially in the last couple weeks of flowering, when shit can get out of hand right as it's about to pay off.
If it's illegal on top of all that, it's carbon-filtered Mob poker to go along with the intensive ethnobotany. It's hard to find that sort of fun elsewhere...

But at the end of the day, you're just growing a happy plant. Give it what it needs, it will grow fat as a cow and delight you.





Good wood warms you at least 3 times.

[Bromontana]

This scene from Belly replays in my head a lot with all this crop porn.

"Yo, this shit is mad hard, yo. I can't take this school shit no more."
"Word. Niggas be wild in there and shit."
"I'm ready to say fuck that shit and get money with y'all niggas."

[Bobby Stainless]

Shorty can't eat no books.

[joetron]

Apologies in advance, but I'm too lazy to search through all the vaporizer talk.....whats the hot shit right now? I've had a Magic Flight for a few years, but am compelled to up my game now.
It would be for home use, heating ground up flowers, no oils/dabs/wax, etc.

[Bromontana]

Shorty can't eat no books.

nice pull

Apologies in advance, but I'm too lazy to search through all the vaporizer talk.....whats the hot shit right now? I've had a Magic Flight for a few years, but am compelled to up my game now.
It would be for home use, heating ground up flowers, no oils/dabs/wax, etc.

check out the what are you baking/vaping thread for specs. NoPost is an IT expert.

I have a pax that's ok for flowers. Reliable and not too crazy expensive. Also had Magic Flight and liked it, but the low volume is a bit constraining. Pax can hotbox a car and a bowl in a jiffy. There are lots and lots of options on the market now.

You probably want to decide first if you want portable or handheld. Then from there look at the output quality and method to see if it jives with your routine. I used to session a cheap desktop vape ($60) and it worked great for long sessions w friends. Can't beat the volume it delivers for the price. Old roomie has a $400 ViVape with a fan that was more efficient but didn't change the result. Here's a little beta on more recent rigs. http://www.leafscience.com/

edit, google's awesome. Assuming you want portable b/c sometimes you need a lift outside the home

Top 10 Portable Vaporizers Overall - Extended Information
THE WINNER. #1. Arizer Solo - $223.99. ...
#2. The FireFly - $269.95. ...
#3. Pax by Ploom Vaporizer - $249.99. ...
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#6. DaVinci Ascent - $249.99. ...
#7. IoLite WISPR Vaporizer - $119. ...
#8. Indica Lighter Vaporizer - $199.95.

[schwerty]

Apologies in advance, but I'm too lazy to search through all the vaporizer talk.....whats the hot shit right now? I've had a Magic Flight for a few years, but am compelled to up my game now.
It would be for home use, heating ground up flowers, no oils/dabs/wax, etc.

Check out the Crafty.

http://www.storz-bickel.com/shop_us/...app-vaporizer/

[sb]

leaving this here for me stoned friends

[mtnjam]

“The marijuana that kids are smoking today is not the same as the one that Jeb Bush smoked 40 years ago,” - Carly Fiorina

Actually Carly, Jeb probably smoked the kind stuff back in the day as he had the best connections to getting Panama Red/Kona Kush, etc.

So talk to me about this. This is an issue the prohibitionists love to hit on.

I don't know what percentages of THC/CBD and terpenes all have with different strains and I don't know how the cannabis of the 60's, 70's and 80's really compares to what it out there now, but it'd sure be nice to hear what the collective thinks about the genetics of cannabis and if that is truly the case that the cannabis now is much more potent than 40-50 years ago.

I dunno, maybe this belongs more in Politico than here, but with the wealth of knowledge from Beer Drinker and other's I can bet I'll get an answer, albeit biased, still an answer.

[NoPostholio]

People had swill for alcohol for thousands of yrs before things really started getting niche - this has happened over decades instead of centuries, the crafting of the product. Directly a result of the tech and www that it has moved so quickly.

Funny someone brought up the disposable pens - just got a bumblebee of GSC, and was wondering what was inside there and how long it would last. Seems like a good entry level device for someone wanting to improve their concentration.

[TBS]

So talk to me about this. This is an issue the prohibitionists love to hit on.

I don't know what percentages of THC/CBD and terpenes all have with different strains and I don't know how the cannabis of the 60's, 70's and 80's really compares to what it out there now, but it'd sure be nice to hear what the collective thinks about the genetics of cannabis and if that is truly the case that the cannabis now is much more potent than 40-50 years.

I'm a baker since the late 1960s. Lived in Humboldt County in the mid-late 1970s, where my wife was a trimmer for several growers around Garberville. Set up a market where peeps could buy lbs of sensi for $400 in April for Sept delivery.

Cannabis now is WAY fuckin better. So much improvement in genetics, lighting (making indoor grows easy), nutrition and controls.

[Bromontana]

“The marijuana that kids are smoking today is not the same as the one that Jeb Bush smoked 40 years ago,” - Carly Fiorina

Actually Carly, Jeb probably smoked the kind stuff back in the day as he had the best connections to getting Panama Red/Kona Kush, etc.

So talk to me about this. This is an issue the prohibitionists love to hit on.

I don't know what percentages of THC/CBD and terpenes all have with different strains and I don't know how the cannabis of the 60's, 70's and 80's really compares to what it out there now, but it'd sure be nice to hear what the collective thinks about the genetics of cannabis and if that is truly the case that the cannabis now is much more potent than 40-50 years ago.

I dunno, maybe this belongs more in Politico than here, but with the wealth of knowledge from Beer Drinker and other's I can bet I'll get an answer, albeit biased, still an answer.

Potency is up on average on account of moving production from the Sinaloa Cartel to reputable growers in more mature markets. The liberal west coast of the US and Amsterdam have from my pov driven the increase in genetic variety and average potency.

This is actually a good thing for users because it's less smoke to inhale, fewer impurities and unknown chemicals that are actually harmful. The idea that consuming more, less potent plant matter is healthy is foolish. Much like the logic that supports nearly all prohibitionist angles.



I think potency was in the teens for good bud back in the mid 20th century, and suspect it's been in the 20% range for select genes for hundreds/thousands? of years. The increased potency thing is just another red herring. An edible overdose poses more risk than any sort of concentrate/dabbing. And edibles have been made with unknown potency for generations.

[NoPostholio]

^^^^well said
I would add that we have moved from a production market (cartels) to a craftsman market. Everyone from our local growers to big time firms are putting out a quality product for an educated consumer. There is no difference in that pastime compared to Napa Valley wine crafters. There are rec shops and their suppliers out there trying to give you a Peter lugers experience, and others pushing McDonald's. Figuring out where the goods are is key.

You should choose as you would anything else you were going to ingest.

[Game Over]

So when you read "start curing when the stem snaps" using the hang method is that snaps in two or snaps when it bends?

[Deebased]

Potency is up on average on account of moving production from the Sinaloa Cartel to reputable growers in more mature markets. The liberal west coast of the US and Amsterdam have from my pov driven the increase in genetic variety and average potency.

This is actually a good thing for users because it's less smoke to inhale, fewer impurities and unknown chemicals that are actually harmful. The idea that consuming more, less potent plant matter is healthy is foolish. Much like the logic that supports nearly all prohibitionist angles.



I think potency was in the teens for good bud back in the mid 20th century, and suspect it's been in the 20% range for select genes for hundreds/thousands? of years. The increased potency thing is just another red herring. An edible overdose poses more risk than any sort of concentrate/dabbing. And edibles have been made with unknown potency for generations.

10%??? I know this is "average" but top strains are into the low 30's at this point

[Bobby Stainless]

So when you read "start curing when the stem snaps" using the hang method is that snaps in two or snaps when it bends?

Snaps when it bends, as opposed to folding.

[NoPostholio]

BD, or another green thumber - got a problem in that someone with best interests decided to paw through a few bags and put them in unmarked. I know one of the 3 is animal cookies, which is shown on right. Would you guess a, b or c on looks? Looks and smell has me at odds here, and hoping good eye can solve this.

[Bobby Stainless]

B and C look the same to me. I'd go with A.

[Bromontana]

AC have dark shaded leaves like GSC? We could smoke em all and take a guess

10%??? I know this is "average" but top strains are into the low 30's at this point

that was 7 years ago, think avg % now is mid teens. Highest flower % in the scotch cabinet is 26% SSH, but I don't trust the methods for testing all that much. The SSH is some strong fire though, maybe it's accurate.

[Bobby Stainless]

Filling out. I've decided to run a total of 5k. My temps are 75 with the 4k. I am going to add a 1k Metal Halide vertical in the middle, and fill out the spectrum.


New veg tent


Stable:
Gorilla Glue #4
Red Headed Stranger
Wavy Gravy
Casey Jones
Grand Daddy Purple
Ultra Sonja

[TBS]

Nice stable of some powerful ladies!

Too bad your grow is nowhere near state of the art

Curious - how do you pick the strains to grow each cycle? Whatever strikes your fancy or do your dispensary customers guide you? Do they provide any sort of price commitments at the outset?

[Bobby Stainless]

You can watch ICMAG and see what the hyped strain is. Right now it's GG#4, but that's clone only and S1s.

I have over 100+ strains in seed form, and I have been collecting them for the past decade.

I am focusing on some of the breeders from 5-10 years ago, instead of the newer stuff. H3ad's gear is always top notch. Running some Reservoir gear, that used to go for 20 a seed. Grindhouse gear that is no longer available. Spice of Life.