Who rows? (Concept2)

[MiddleOfNight]

ok, so to make my point ...
30 s/m = a slower pace.



On the plus side, I upped the resistance on darts and hit 9240, so that was .. a nice warm up.

[stalefish3169]

Yes, but I think they're actually pretty close. I stayed somewhere with a Concept 2 a few months ago and my 500 pace was nearly identical to what I did at home. At least I know it's not way off although I'm sure the two aren't exactly the same.

Just don't want everyone to get discouraged by guy saying he hasn't rowed in a while who just casually pulled a 7:04.

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[The AD]

Just don't want everyone to get discouraged by guy saying he hasn't rowed in a while who just casually pulled a 7:04.

To be fair the last couple minutes did NOT feel casual!

[zion zig zag]

Solid.

Do you guys know if drag setting effects split time? eg, all other things being equal, does 28 s/m at a drag of 6 equal a faster time than if the drag was at a 3? Is the machine that smart?

Maybe my stroke is shorter than you's guys but my 28 s/m doesn't equal the same splits. I'm usually at drag of 4, but have tried 5 and 6 and didn't really notice a difference in splits.
I'm game for a 7 min goal - but god, that's way out there for me, I'm hovering at 8:00.

I’m not sure how drag setting effects times. I’ve had mine set at 5 and a half, cause you know, slightly more than halfway.

I would think stroke length definitely plays a role. I’m 6ft tall and my abs get worked from leaning back and pulling to my shoulders. I need to watch some videos of how the pros do it to learn technique.

[bfree]

The C2 measures power and converts that to the time/distance pace.
In theory the drag setting doesn't affect the pace because you can put out the same power regardless of the resistance - it just feels different. A higher resistance will require more force at a slower stroke rate. For the same power, the lower resistance will require less force at a higher stroke rate.

The conversion between power and time/500 pace is inversely proportional to power^3, so yes it's very difficult to drop from 8 min to 7 min. 12.5% faster time requires 49% more average power. And power is force*stroke rate, so either pull 49% faster while maintaining the same force per stroke, or pull each stroke with 49% more force. Or some combination thereof... Not easy.

I'd love to hit 7 min too but back issues these days keeps me away from the rower for the most part.

[stalefish3169]

To be fair the last couple minutes did NOT feel casual!

My 2ks are in the 7:15 range on the C2. Afterward I can barely stand and lean over the sink with drool coming out of my mouth. Lol

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[warthog]

Just rowed a fairly casual 8:20. I am in the hunt for the 7 min 2k as well.

Just figuring out the base today. Half baked stride at about 25-28 strokes/min gets me 8:20 on a 4 resistance.

[stalefish3169]

FWIW, here is a bit about comparison between water rowers and C2.

tl;dr water rower times are much faster

https://www.reddit.com/r/orangetheor...m_source=share

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[zion zig zag]

The conversion between power and time/500 pace is inversely proportional to power^3, so yes it's very difficult to drop from 8 min to 7 min. 12.5% faster time requires 49% more average power. And power is force*stroke rate, so either pull 49% faster while maintaining the same force per stroke, or pull each stroke with 49% more force. Or some combination thereof... Not easy.

I wish you hadn't put the math to it! Now I've got the mental block.

[phatty]

I'm in for the 7min 2K challenge. Best ever was a 6:35 10 years ago. Last year I was able to do a 7:06 and thought that I would die. Need to get back to being consistent again.

[The AD]

FWIW, here is a bit about comparison between water rowers and C2.

tl;dr water rower times are much faster

https://www.reddit.com/r/orangetheor...m_source=share

To complicate matters there are several different brands that use water as the resistance source. The one I have is made by First Degree Fitness. Bottom line is it's probably impossible to directly compare times across different models.

[NW_SKIER]

First time ever seeing how fast I can 2k since my wife bought this thing. Not terrible since I didn't warm up at all. I faded down the stretch as a result. Shame on me.

[bad dancer]

Nice work everyone on putting up times and technique. Its fun to see what settings, stroke rate and gas level everyone has. Keep it up. Love the vibe here.
I did a 5k a couple days ago after being off the machine for a week. Went to the boulder gym for the first time a totally destroyed my arm muscles. Who knew climbing was so hard ? Ha !

The 5k was tough after i did 8 sets of 500m with a rest in between. Tried to keep my 500m sets at around 1:50 to 1:55 split.
Pulled my 5k time in at 21.11 min. Boy was that hard. Had to actually stop a few times.

[Not DJSapp]

Just checking what the rowing maggots do. They've broken the rowers back out at the crossfit gym and I'm getting back into the groove. I have the unfair advantage of being 6'3" and I have long ape arms so rowing comes easier for me with a long stroke. Need to check back in on a 2k, but we did a 2'-3'-4'-3'-2' warmup yesterday with 30 sec rest inbetween sets and maintains an easy 2min/500 pace the whole time.

I don't think I ever better than a 7:45/800m. Endurance wasn't ever my big thing, but 1:40 500's were followed by a lot of gasping and moving on to another movement as quick as possible. Curious if anyone here ever did a max effort burst just to see how high you can get the cal/hour meter. You stop once the computer clicks twice without increasing.

[bad dancer]

Just checking what the rowing maggots do. They've broken the rowers back out at the crossfit gym and I'm getting back into the groove. I have the unfair advantage of being 6'3" and I have long ape arms so rowing comes easier for me with a long stroke. Need to check back in on a 2k, but we did a 2'-3'-4'-3'-2' warmup yesterday with 30 sec rest inbetween sets and maintains an easy 2min/500 pace the whole time.

I don't think I ever better than a 7:45/800m. Endurance wasn't ever my big thing, but 1:40 500's were followed by a lot of gasping and moving on to another movement as quick as possible. Curious if anyone here ever did a max effort burst just to see how high you can get the cal/hour meter. You stop once the computer clicks twice without increasing.

Is this burst effort a setting on the C2 ? I am curious how that works. Full sprint to get the split down to as low as possible for a sustained time frame ? I guess that would be the same as cal output increasing until it decreases for a sustained time ?

[The AD]

The bungee cord on my rower broke a couple days ago. Hopefully it's not too difficult to replace.

[Not DJSapp]

Is this burst effort a setting on the C2 ? I am curious how that works. Full sprint to get the split down to as low as possible for a sustained time frame ? I guess that would be the same as cal output increasing until it decreases for a sustained time ?

No, it was just a group of us trying to see how high we could make the cal/hr tick (the display updates every second or two). You could do the same with watts, but I wouldn't recommend 500m split times, the difference in effort between a 1:15 and 1:20 split is exponential. Highest single tick was the benchmark and if it dropped for more than two ticks in a row, you peaked and can stop. The goal of the exercise was to find a max effort measurement so you know where 40-50% effort is and that's your sustained cruising speed. Turns out that max effort number is a lot higher than most of us thought and it was useful information in pacing ourselves. I don't think anyone pulled for more than 20 seconds before peaking, the reality is most people are only good for 3-4 true max effort pulls in a row.

[stalefish3169]

The bungee cord on my rower broke a couple days ago. Hopefully it's not too difficult to replace.

Aw snap. Sorry

Hope that's a cheap and easy fix.

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[bfree]

The bungee cord on my rower broke a couple days ago. Hopefully it's not too difficult to replace.

It's telling you to buy a C2.

[The AD]

It's telling you to buy a C2.

It has one too, though. It's used to recoil the handle on the recovery. I'm not sure what caused mine to wear out so quickly, though. I'll have to look for areas where it might be rubbing.

[kingdom-tele]

Impressive work everyone, just willingly putting yourself on the erg to the point of being doubled over, gasping deserves applause.

Been over a decade since the last time I saw this. Good to see people still having the conversations with themselves on the erg. The erg season is ending for me, nothing delivers like the erg and it's ability to make you question what your doing and how much you can dig out.

the last 5x 2k pyramid from last week. Hoping it can give some motivation to someone.

Sorry it is sideways, give up trying to fix it.

[stalefish3169]

Impressive work everyone, just willingly putting yourself on the erg to the point of being doubled over, gasping deserves applause.

Been over a decade since the last time I saw this. Good to see people still having the conversations with themselves on the erg. The erg season is ending for me, nothing delivers like the erg and it's ability to make you question what your doing and how much you can dig out.

the last 5x 2k pyramid from last week. Hoping it can give some motivation to someone.

Sorry it is sideways, give up trying to fix it.

Damn! We're all over here just tryin' to get one sub 7 and you're like I'll do two in a row. lol

Strong work!

[kingdom-tele]

It’s all relative.

I will get a million meters in from the end of hunting season until now. It is my morning meditation before facing the world 3-4 x/week.

There is something even more impressive about just showing up and cranking a sub7

Keep charging, it’s a worthless, totally fulfilling reward

[bad dancer]

Was away from this wretched beast of mockery for about a week.
Did 10x500m with 30 sec rest. Tried to keep my stroke rate at 20 s/m and a 1:55 split. Man that is hard.
Cooked a 7:33 2k at the end of it all. Pretty happy with the results. Stroke rate was about 26 and setting on 5

[AmmergauerTele]

Kingdom - that is some sweet work, I'm impressed. 5 x 2000m pieces, nice on the low stroke rate, really powering those strokes. You are in great shape!