Wasatch Conditions 11-12

[lionelhutz]

Wow. Sunday was one of the most bizarre days I've been involved with here in the Wasatch since my arrival in 89'. I understand some of it but we'll be talking about that day for a long time to come.

Just want to add a couple of things.

First, a note on persistent weak layers. These are facets or surface hoar that get buried and produce activity through a number of storms. Faceted weak layers especially, are the cause of the majority of injuries and fatalities here in Utah. You cannot screw around with persistent weak layers as perhaps you can with a new snow only instability. You need to leave the slopes with facets alone until a decent storm comes through and no avalanches occur. The ECT is the best test that I've seen for this. After using it for a few years I think that when propagation occurs in a test it coincides pretty well with avalanche activity. So, when propagation occurs and you've heard the words "facets" or "persistent weak layer", it's time to leave it alone for a bit. As for right now, while the buried junk doesn't cover a huge chunk of the terrain if you consider all aspects above say 7000 feet, I wouldn't call it "isolated" because it appears to be present in ALL northerly facing terrain above around 9500'. While I like steep pow as much as the next "jong", I'll wait till another decent storm comes through with no avalanche activity after it, then start thinking about the following storm. I'm trying to be in it for the long haul.

Second, it is so helpful if you submit an observation to the UAC if you see or trigger an avalanche. We don't always have time to sift through the forums for these. I set up a database a few years ago and we have fields for size, trigger, aspect, etc. This makes the database quite "searchable" where people can query it to look at trends and whatnot. Like, show me all the human triggered avalanches on NE facing slopes above 9500'. After a couple of seasons we are starting to have a nice dataset to work with. I plan on setting up this search method so the public can use it soon.

Thanks a bunch,

Brett Kobernik
Utah Avalanche Center

This might be the most intelligent post and person to post on this dentist board. And the advice therein might be the most important. It will save a life.
Great read.

now JONG......

[BLOOWERPOW]

Lionel whats going on with this storm? Models predicting 42" of blower @10,500'?

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/forecast/wxt...n=7&interval=6

[skifishbum]

yawn
see what falls go skiin
projected snowfall totals and mojo weather guessing what may happen is not a valid bc ob imo
it may be stoke to some but there is a weather condition forum where you can babble about what ullr may or may not do

[BLOOWERPOW]

Very true SFB we'll see what she gives us...

[skifishbum]

go pondo go
thanks for watin till our better 1/2s bailed for gittin giggy with it
i pass no judgement
if you like 1/2 a binder okay with me bro
earth tones are out
skittle puke up brah
nice ski bum comentary
DUUDDDEE
stay safe bro and you left a huge coreshot fixin mess on that side of workbench
where in canada are you takin my spanser and when?
return her email please

[Slaag Master]

today was the first fog wednesday!!!! food n booze! great packed manmade

[lionelhutz]

I think those model output calls of 24-30+ are too high. All the latest modeling I've seen doesn't support that much snow. I think a more reasonable estimation would be 12-24 from friday morning thu early saturday morning with lingering snow showers. I suppose if the proper lake banding set up the totals could spike. However I think there may be a little too much vertical shear to support heavy squall development.

[skifishbum]

I think and wish you would refrain from posting your stupid weather models guesses conjencture
or what ever in The BC OB thread
I guess it may snow is not an ob please stART A WEATHER GUESSER,S WASATCH WEATHER GUESSING
THREAD
NO ANYALISIS MMACQB FOR PONDO????
He LOVES THAT STUFF

[lionelhutz]

I think and wish you would refrain from posting your stupid weather models guesses conjencture
or what ever in The BC OB thread
I guess it may snow is not an ob please stART A WEATHER GUESSER,S WASATCH WEATHER GUESSING
THREAD
NO ANYALISIS MMACQB FOR PONDO????
He LOVES THAT STUFF

wow...you got angry.
I think and wish you would use full sentences and make sense. But we can't always get what we want...sometimes we get what we need.

[higheddies]

Brah, lissssen to dis, ya gotta type n da phonetics when yer spancered, es called bra speek yo, fish needz ta keep up his front yo. word?

[Johnny Deep]

Brah, lissssen to dis, ya gotta type n da phonetics when yer spancered, es called bra speek yo, fish needz ta keep up his front yo. word?

I think this is how new languages begin.

Yesterday, considering all that sun we've had, skied nice in places.

[salida]

wow...you got angry.
I think and wish you would use full sentences and make sense. But we can't always get what we want...sometimes we get what we need.

+1

Seeings how LH was responding to a direct question.

[skifishbum]

I got out yesterday and have some observations to share. I guess I dodged a bullet yesterday. Started skinning around 6:45am and skied Gunsight about 8:00am with a friend, dug a pit while waiting on my friend. Same aspect/elevation and only got the new storm snow (10") to move during an extended column test CT8Q2, although it did propagate across. I was probably a bit complacent due to the fact that I've been in Gunsight 4 times this season and thought I knew what the snow was doing in there. At the time we skied it the new snow wasn't a cohesive slab. At the top I made a good ski cut across, and sent down a sluff, just the new storm snow. With two different tests just producing a surface sluff I decided we were good to ski. Started skiing and had a sluff come down behind me, pulled off to the side and it went by, nothing unmanageable. I did notice that when a couple of these sluffs pulled out they were propagating into the rocky areas on skiers right of the chute. Not sure how we made it out without incident and two other parties triggered large slides that caused major trauma to one person. The only thing I can think is that the slope warmed up considerably by 11:30 and slid on that weak layer. Pretty sobering when I heard that Gunsight had slid.

valid bc ob

I think those model output calls of 24-30+ are too high. All the latest modeling I've seen doesn't support that much snow. I think a more reasonable estimation would be 12-24 from friday morning thu early saturday morning with lingering snow showers. I suppose if the proper lake banding set up the totals could spike. However I think there may be a little too much vertical shear to support heavy squall development.

weather guess
see any differnece??????

What this ain't:

Trip Reports from in-bounds skiing
Observations and Conjecture about the length of the line at the Tram Dock
and A GOOD….PLACE TO COPY-PASTE THE ENTIRE...AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION…EVEN IF…THE APPROACHING FRONT LOOKS REALLY INCREDIBLY…AMAZING.

Utah Avy Center Salt Lake report
NOAA Salt Lake snow page

reading it's fundeMENTAL
my guess is tlp/wolvie looks like this

but like your predicked weather shizzz
just a guess
any chance you can put your weatherguesses in the wasatch GOT NO BC OB BUT NEED TO POST thread or start a wasatch weather gussing thread?

[lionelhutz]

Dude- whatever. Did you get a bad bunch of pot or something?

What got into you? Sorry to shit on your well kept lawn.

[icelanticskier]

rog obz:

SFB from the mid west=not a utah local
SFB ain't all that of a skier=nothing to back up the gum flapping. nothing.
SFB types in full sentences over at teletips

you sure them 287 turns down bonkers was the wiz? pretty sure that was tyson, but that was before yer time in the wasatch, bro.

i may have more to add as the season unfolds........................

rog

[F#*k you cat]

Rog

STFU

post in yur least coast I am core cuz I ski tucks and dodge the dragon back there thread.

quick cunting up the wasatch obs thread with non - obs.

pm SFB or cunt up the wasatach weather model thread with your stupid banter.

I am pissed to see all this back and forth between u 2 in the wasatch conditions thread.

Find another place for your CUNTING.

Late

CAT

[F#*k you cat]

Rog

STFU

post in yur least coast I am core cuz I ski tucks and dodge the dragon back there thread.

quick cunting up the wasatch obs thread with non - obs.

pm SFB or cunt up the wasatach weather model thread with your stupid banter.

I am pissed to see all this back and forth between u 2 in the wasatch conditions thread.

Find another place for your CUNTING.

Late

CAT

[icelanticskier]

FUCK YOU CAT.

rog

[Slaag Master]

well how about that storm coming our way!!!!!!!!!!!! the lcc is open for bizness in the am!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ectreeskier11]

hey rog - even the east coast hates you. fuck off.

[TRON]

atm=ass to mouth. his.

[icelanticskier]

i even got ole bob to come out and play. george's bowl is a 300 turn shot bob, bonkers at least 450. 450 for me means a good 6-700 for cg.

never pegged you for a turn counter bob

keep on cunting on, boyz

rog

[Trackhead]

well how about that storm coming our way!!!!!!!!!!!! the lcc is open for bizness in the am!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe that will slow down the bullshit in this thread........uh, no it won't.

[skifishbum]

HOW FUCKIN HARD CAN IT BE TO NOT CUNT UP A BC OB THREAD WITH WEATHERGUESSING AND EASTCOASTCUNTATTENTIONWHORE FOR THE LOVE OF SWEET BABY JEEBUS GET A FUCKIN CLUE

[icelanticskier]

HOW FUCKIN HARD CAN IT BE TO NOT CUNT UP A BC OB THREAD WITH WEATHERGUESSING AND EASTCOASTCUNTATTENTIONWHORE FOR THE LOVE OF SWEET BABY JEEBUS GET A FUCKIN CLUE

ya just don't git it sfb. keep on a pokin, and roj will just keep on a pokin back. it's fun. shouldn't you be out low angle pivot skiddin over yer tips cuz ya can't ski foofy pow fer shit better off staying home playing with puppies and finger flappin on tgr n ttips?



roj