Telemark skiing is dead.

[bodywhomper]

No boa?

[frorider]

Respectfully, I don't think you are part of the target user group for the new Scarpa tele boot. Most of us don't want a boot stiffer than the TX Comp for touring, even if it has better ROM. You'd be better off hoping that Crispi comes out with a new Evo World Cup with better ROM, and it will still weigh a lot more than the Skorpius.

There was a time just before Covid when the party line within Scarpa was that the performance/stiffness target of the Scarpa Unicorn was the TX Comp. I.e. comparable to a 105 flex ‘intermediate skier’ AT boot.

Naturally I understand what you’re saying — heck I almost wrote the same sentiment as an addl paragraph! — but the reality is that the lack of tele boot innovation lead to a lot of tele skiers investing in AT, and AT’s performance/weight ratio has dramatically improved in recent years. This has shifted the benchmark based on the conversations I’ve had with other tele skiers who now have a modern AT setup.

The Evo WC is a great boot, glad i have 2 pairs for resort skiing. I never expected the new Scarpa to be close to that descent performance but I’d at least like something comparable to the TX Comp. Apologies if I implied that stiffer than tx comp was a Must rather than a Want.

[frorider]

A lot of tele skiers like to have one do it all pair of boots for resort and BC. Putting aside weight for a second, the friendly tele flex and moderately stiff cuff of the tx comp is right in that do it all sort of zone. Since the tele market is now quite small, I’m not sure it makes sense financially for Scarpa to ignore that demographic desiring a resort / bc boot.

[bodywhomper]

they’re thinking sales will be higher with the t2/tx-pro crowd. Stating the obvious?

[Tom from Austria]

I don't think you fully grasp the telemark concept. It's dangerous enough on its own.

Super dangerous! That`s why I admire the best tele-budies...
Maybe the rear fins can make telemark safer. First try and then judge

[sb]

Fast and Danger!

[jhyatt]

Someone was looking for garmont? EnerG shells. Cracked bellow. Stamped 28.5. no liner. Free.
I went to try some other boots through FB marketplace and they didn't fit but the guy gave me these for free and I remember someone likes them...
Also the skis with the releasable tele bindings. Free.
I'll be in NH over Thanksgiving if you want them.
I could ship the shells on your dime. But not the skis. I could ship the bindings I guess.

[Tom from Austria]

Fast and Danger!

Danger ? Not for you if you are riding this monster

[frorider]

they’re thinking sales will be higher with the t2/tx-pro crowd. Stating the obvious?

Yup I agree, they appear to now be thinking the sales would be higher with that boot, so my post above was explaining why my own NA market research indicates that their original Unicorn focus on the tx comp (which is not a stiff boot by any stretch) made more sense. And in Europe I never see tele skiers skinning, but definitely see them at the resort.

Scarpa is free to make whatever mistakes they want. If they want to release a lighter version of the tx pro, that’s better than nothing. I doubt any tele skiers I know will buy it (since they either have tx pros already, or used to and sold them after finding them inherently too soft).

If this new scarpa were a 1200 g boot I could see some of the ‘ex tele tourers who migrated to AT’ considering buying it.

I guess I’m just feeling melancholy about the slow death of tele. I was hoping the new boot would rejuvenate the market, either by roping in the tourers who went AT reluctantly, or the cash strapped tele skier looking for a do it all boot. I wonder now if the Scarpa employees I spoke to over the years were just expressing their own wishful thinking about a light yet stiff boot. Oh well.

[Peruvian]

I’m selling some 180cm Voile Vectors with Meidjo bindings. I have not listed them in Gear Swap yet. $500 with G3 skins included. PM if interested.

[bodywhomper]

Yup I agree, they appear to now be thinking the sales would be higher with that boot, so my post above was explaining why my own NA market research indicates that their original Unicorn focus on the tx comp (which is not a stiff boot by any stretch) made more sense. And in Europe I never see tele skiers skinning, but definitely see them at the resort.

Scarpa is free to make whatever mistakes they want. If they want to release a lighter version of the tx pro, that’s better than nothing. I doubt any tele skiers I know will buy it (since they either have tx pros already, or used to and sold them after finding them inherently too soft).

If this new scarpa were a 1200 g boot I could see some of the ‘ex tele tourers who migrated to AT’ considering buying it.

I guess I’m just feeling melancholy about the slow death of tele. I was hoping the new boot would rejuvenate the market, either by roping in the tourers who went AT reluctantly, or the cash strapped tele skier looking for a do it all boot. I wonder now if the Scarpa employees I spoke to over the years were just expressing their own wishful thinking about a light yet stiff boot. Oh well.

We’re on the same page. My pessimistic guess is that this will be the boot, at least for a while, that will be their more touring-oriented boot, and those of us hoping for something stiffer are SOL. I’m disappointed. I hope I’m wrong.

[jhyatt]

I wonder how much this new boot will cost. New Tele boots are expensive!

Yup I agree, they appear to now be thinking the sales would be higher with that boot, so my post above was explaining why my own NA market research indicates that their original Unicorn focus on the tx comp (which is not a stiff boot by any stretch) made more sense. And in Europe I never see tele skiers skinning, but definitely see them at the resort.

Scarpa is free to make whatever mistakes they want. If they want to release a lighter version of the tx pro, that’s better than nothing. I doubt any tele skiers I know will buy it (since they either have tx pros already, or used to and sold them after finding them inherently too soft).

If this new scarpa were a 1200 g boot I could see some of the ‘ex tele tourers who migrated to AT’ considering buying it.

I guess I’m just feeling melancholy about the slow death of tele. I was hoping the new boot would rejuvenate the market, either by roping in the tourers who went AT reluctantly, or the cash strapped tele skier looking for a do it all boot. I wonder now if the Scarpa employees I spoke to over the years were just expressing their own wishful thinking about a light yet stiff boot. Oh well.

[3PinGrin]

A bit of a kerfuffle between the Freeheel Life folks and Voile apparently. Call me a pot stirrer if you want but curious on opinions here.

https://www.backcountrytalk.com/foru...-fhl-and-voile

[3PinGrin]

p.s. sweet deal Peruvian!

[PB]

Religious Splinterism

[MakersTeleMark]

Tele drama is hilarious, and pathetic. Per usual.

[3PinGrin]

Tele drama is hilarious, and pathetic. Per usual.

Yep, lol

[aBradAbroad]

My .02: Josh may be right that Voile no longer has anyone that actually teles making decisions but the tone of the whole thing was super weird. Especially that but at the end. Also, just perusing their site they have dropped both Bishop and Meidjo? That seems a bit “off-message” for what he is claiming.

A mentor of mine told me a long time ago: “just because you are right, doesn’t mean you aren’t the asshole”


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[jmedslc]

Tele drama is hilarious, and pathetic. Per usual.

Heh yep. You’d think that tele homeboy would be trying to grow the sport in any way possible and not intentionally cutting down one of the only simple solid backcountry manufacturers of tele gear on the planet. Dumb.

P dog’s rig above is enticing.

[Doremite]

Heh yep. You’d think that tele homeboy would be trying to grow the sport in any way possible and not intentionally cutting down one of the only simple solid backcountry manufacturers of tele gear on the planet. Dumb.

P dog’s rig above is enticing.

Peruvian’s nickname is P dog??!! Noted.

[MakersTeleMark]

Can't we all just get along? Ha.

[3PinGrin]

Peruvian’s nickname is P dog??!! Noted.

That made me laugh so hard for some reason.

I can only attribute it to too many bong hits I suppose.

[MakersTeleMark]

P dog’s rig above is enticing.

I covet the bindings, but Voile is so not tele, man.

[jmedslc]

Peruvian’s nickname is P dog??!! Noted.

Unsure of any specific nicknames for this mag, but Little cottonwood canyon lore suggests that something named Peruvian might be called P-dog, with all due respect of course.

As for voile not being tele, man there are not many companies on par w voile as far as their contributions to telemark. Their continued investment in the sport should speak for itself in this subject, yes?

I’m a more the merrier guy when it comes to telemark aka “spread telemark” - I think this is what JOSH HIMSELF said… and causing trouble and bad blood isn’t the way to acquire and keep customers nor is it the way to “spread telemark”.

It’s lame that he’s got this short sighted viewpoint, because I’d love to have more options to purchase gear in the tele realm.

Ahh shit ok!

[bodywhomper]

Do I need to listen to the podcast or can I just speculate? I was lock miller’s ski buyer for a few years. Dostie has that history only partially correct in the thread. I never understood why voile stopped selling shovels.