Alta is for Nazis

[doughboyshredder]

I've gotten to the point now that I just run right over the boards.

Rule 6: Stopping on the piste
Unless absolutely necessary, a skier or snowboarder must
avoid stopping on the piste, in narrow places or where visibility is restricted.
After a fall in such a place, a skier or snow-boarder must move clear of the piste as soon as possible

You sit in middle of trail, I run over your boards. End of story.

And how many hundreds of times do you see a boarder coming out of the trees, breaking onto a trail without ever looking uphill??

Well thats why they make pointy ski poles.

Skier stopped in the middle of runs just as often as snowboarders the only difference is that you don't sit down when you stop typically you're doing the point or something stupid like that.

The only reason you notice snow borders when they stop and not skiers is because you're prejudiced

have to question what kind of anger issues you have when you go up to the mountain to enjoy the day in the snow and instead of just enjoying yourself you decide to be aggressive in basically assault people because they've stopped somewhere that you don't like

[digitaldeath]

Surfing came before skiing. Any skier that surfs but hates snowboarders is a hypocrite.

skiing is much older than surfing bro

ever heard of the ice age

[skifishbum]

Skier stopped in the middle of runs just as often as snowboarders the only difference is that you don't sit down when you stop typically you're doing the point or something stupid like that.

now your butthurt cause there aint no jazzhand, petting the dog, flailing hands hof worthy thread
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...hlight=pointon
only thing sadder than an asshole is the hurt one

[doughboyshredder]

now your butthurt cause there aint no jazzhand, petting the dog, flailing hands hof worthy thread
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...hlight=pointon
only thing sadder than an asshole is the hurt one

Dude you're the biggest example of butthurt on this entire form get over yourself

[Greenstateofmind]

u talking to me! sounds like you talking to me!

the point is that you would have no sport if it wasnt for my father and other skiers in north america

also, ive skied both alta and snowbird. snowbird better so shut the fuck up and go slide around liike a goon



also when i skied alta some lady wouldnt shutup about snowboarders on the lift, kinda disgusting

Well thank Sweet Baby Jesus, that your father had the gumption to ski. Thank him for me, too..And tell ya what, you shut the fuck up and quite cryin' your hollier than thou horse shit and we won't be having this problem, knuckle head.

[Bobcat Sig]

So the snowboarders are up in arms again about Alta? Huh.

[Greenstateofmind]

I could give two shits about Alta. It's the fucking kooks who need to distinguish the two sports in some quest for fucking who knows what that obviously need their Neanderthal ways of thinking brought to light.

[mall walker]

I could give two shits about Alta. It's the fucking kooks who need to distinguish the two sports in some quest for fucking who knows what that obviously need their Neanderthal ways of thinking brought to light.

Dude, go take a lap. You look like a fucking idiot in this thread.

Or compare snowboarders to Rosa Parks again

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Skier stopped in the middle of runs just as often as snowboarders the only difference is that you don't sit down when you stop typically you're doing the point or something stupid like that.

The only reason you notice snow borders when they stop and not skiers is because you're prejudiced

have to question what kind of anger issues you have when you go up to the mountain to enjoy the day in the snow and instead of just enjoying yourself you decide to be aggressive in basically assault people because they've stopped somewhere that you don't like

Yes skiers stop in the middle of runs and that is wrong. A skier stopped on piste is standing up and visible, 10 teenagers sitting together strung across the piste are hard to see and navigate even if they are tagging along with their cool skier friends. This perception that snowboarders sit on the piste and are hard to see isn't imaginary. They're all wrong, yes even the skiers stopped in the middle of the run. It's wrong to assault anyone, it's also wrong to sit in the middle of a ski run. This is a good example of the "right not to be offended" syndrome, you have it.

[liv2ski]

In this age of all things needing to be PC, I could give a fuck if anyone's feelings are hurt just because of what another party may say or do. There are plenty of places to ski. Why does any group or person get their panties in a bunch just because they are told to go someplace else? All you fucking participants need to get a grip. Your not always invited. Deal with it.

[Greenstateofmind]

Dude, go take a lap. You look like a fucking idiot in this thread.

Or compare snowboarders to Rosa Parks again

Thanks for your input. Gotta look cool on TGR forums afterall. Douche. Go ski Alta.

[DasBlunt]

I just don't want my kids taken out by hipster 30 year olds sliding out of control.

And not have all the snow side slipped out of steep entrances.

Go somewhere else and sit around

Thanks for your response, however, your points are easily invalidated by tons of evidence that skiers are just as shitty at snowsliding in sample groups......it is 50/50 shitty out of control wankers who are beginners and crashing into patrons.

As for "sideslipping" I have plenty of evidence skiers do the same thing...only worse because of the larger skis.

Remember, Alta has shitty traverses and long flat run-outs....the hipsters will leave once they realize how shitty Alta can be when you suck at snow sliding.

Anyways, Back for another year of Shame at Alta until they open their public doors to world wide lift approved snow sliders.

[DasBlunt]

In this age of all things needing to be PC, I could give a fuck if anyone's feelings are hurt just because of what another party may say or do. There are plenty of places to ski. Why does any group or person get their panties in a bunch just because they are told to go someplace else? All you fucking participants need to get a grip. Your not always invited. Deal with it.

Public place dickwad and Alta is not private like Deer Valley......get your priorities in order dude!

[digitaldeath]

Thanks for your input. Gotta look cool on TGR forums afterall. Douche. Go ski Alta.

why you even posting?

fuck off back to the mall you rat bastard

[DasBlunt]

Dude, this thread has traction!!

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Nobody cares that you can't snowboard Alta

[mtnbiker/boarder]

Reading through this is actually so fucking funny that I use it to teach kids in my class about stupidity, entitlement and ownership. they don't allow snowboarding .. end of story its they right to do so and the courts will not change it nor should they. I like the fact that MRG , DV , and Alta have stuck it out and do their own thing.. I snowboard and ski......the fight will continue and hope the three stay they way they want to run their hill. For all the morons that are worried about SB hitting their kids or being out of control well I guess your gonna put padding around the car they drive when they are older as well..ur called HELIPARENTS FOR A REASON. and if your a boarder and crying over the hill u cant ride at go elsewhere... if your a parent trying to protect ur kid like a heliparent well then your kids may have a tough time adjusting to the real world when MOMM and DADDY aren there to wipe your ass. either way this has been one entertaining read ........

again I hope the three last as individuals and keep their hills the way they want them....Snowboard free....sucks for boarders yes but such as life...

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I thought this was settled anyway? No one is restricting snowboarders from RIDING on the hill, Alta just won't allow them to RIDE the lifts. No person is being excluded from riding the lifts only that people can't ride lifts with a snowboard. Anyone can ride the lifts with skis. It's really simple, your snowboard is not a protected class. I have no problems with snowboarder at my hill, it's has a bunch of long traverses and hikes and most snowboarders don't bother.

[DasBlunt]

Aaron, there is no reason why Snowboards can't ride the lifts. Private resort, sure, no issue. Public land, all access for approved devices.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Poor guy. No one gives a shit.

[mall walker]

Aaron, there is no reason why Snowboards can't ride the lifts. Private resort, sure, no issue. Public land, all access for approved devices.

Can't snowmobile either... and the FS leases the land to Alta. You can whine about it all you like but there's no legal justification for your complaint. And by making "class discrimination" comparisons you just embarrass yourself by comparing fucking not being allowed to snowboard at Alta to say, women being banned from voting, or black people being unable to own property.

Keep on posting though. I'm sure this is only one of the myriad ways in which you cleanse the world of injustice

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Aaron, there is no reason why Snowboards can't ride the lifts. Private resort, sure, no issue. Public land, all access for approved devices.

See, that's what you don't seem to get. The lifts are private property, along with the other facilities. Technically they can't keep you off the public land but they don't have to let anyone ride the lifts. Aren't the bottoms of some lifts at Alta on private property too? I don't care if snowboards ride Alta or not but the lifts are private and they hold a lease. Alta isn't preventing snowboarders from accessing public lands, they're saying that snowboarders can't ride THEIR lifts.

[Bromontana]

Can't snowmobile either... and the FS leases the land to Alta. You can whine about it all you like but there's no legal justification for your complaint.

Snowmobiles are a different class of device, different impact, safety concerns etc. A2Oj in terms of using it for comparison's sake. The crux of the issue is that Alta violates the spirit of the lease in refusing access to approved devices. If you are in bounds at Alta on one plank you'll be lucky to leave without either a sheriff visit or a threat to see the sheriff. So the contention that splitting around Alta is ok is kind of bs and again, a disingenuous effort to sidestep the actual issue of an operator ignoring the spirit of guidelines to meet a specific, exclusionary business objective.

Alta is able to get away with this because the courts leave it to the discretion of the USFS as it's not a protected class issue. So the USFS has solid ground to say either "no" or "fine" to the existing ban on snowboards. It has been deemed by the courts to be their prerogative what is compatible or incompatible with the USFS land use guidelines and how orgs operating on USFS land conduct business.

So the people saying "your're not a protected class idiots!!" are really being obtuse by missing the fact there is a grey region in the regs around the issue. The snowboarders, including me, have put some shaky arguments forward, but in the end there is no safety issue for Alta and they've been lying/hiding behind that faleshood for several decades. As this argument has been empirically refuted, they shift to "business decision for clientele." All well and good, their right to be yet another dbag operator twisting the regs to achieve their desired ends.

More than anything it's just tiring being lied to by a company that profits off USFS land, and watching them use a cozy USFS relationship to fall back on as the courts, for good reason, ignore an argument between skiers & snowboarders.

Personally, LCC is only good for touring alpine and spring corn harvests. BCC is where my $ goes.

[muted]

As this argument has been empirically refuted, they shift to "business decision for clientele." All well and good, their right to be yet another dbag operator twisting the regs to achieve their desired ends..

It's always been a business decision, and a good one at that. Whether they claimed otherwise publicly, internally it's always been good business.

For me it personally sucks because the wife snowboards and eventually we will have to go to BCC because Snowbird sucks for little kids. So yes, skiers do fucking care, and the old skiers who hate snowboarders need to get old and die soon so there is a positive change. Until then, first world problems.

[irul&ublo]

Das Kunt is wrong as usual....Vail is for Nazis