Alta is for Nazis

[Lambert]

I would like to see some splitboarders at alta telemarking their splits all day while wearing dicksuits or something like that..

[coldfeet]

The amount of wasted $ and breath to drum up drama over how snowboarders are a protected class, plus the nazi stickers, klansman stickers, ect... god, I hope I never have to share a chairlift with those hyperbole-prone blowhard fun-sponges. Can Alta lift the ban on snowboarding and replace it with a ban on douchebags?

Unfortunately, douchebags are a protected class in Utah. And at most "world class" ski areas.

[joetron]

sad part is Liberal,Osama ' Judges ' may rule f the Gay boarders ,if ' they' wanna Fuckin' Marry each other at Alta!

Put down the bottle of Testors and open a window.

[DasBlunt]

I'd even be willing to make a healthy wager with you on the courts decision. $100?

If it goes to trial, healthy is not 100USD. But I will take your money, sure.

[GPP33]

I think it's stupid Alta doesnt allow borders but dont care enough about the issue to pick up a pitchfork over it. Having said that, the "there's so many traverses!" logic is kinda stupid, because people who are good at snowboarding will get out to High Boy without issue while people who are not good will have a rough time. And that is exactly the same as what already happens with skiers now: people who are not good at skiing clog up the works and everyone else dodges around them while trying to carry their speed.

I used to agree with you 100%. With no one in my way I could make it out to most of the traverses. Most, not all. There's lot's of up hill out there. As for the ones a good boarder could make it to, one gaper clogging up the works would have them un buckling whereas a skier can just pole along. Most snowboarders would realize the hassle isn't worth it and that everything that doesn't require a traverse is nothing special. They would then head back to snowbird.

None of this is justification for keeping them off the hill but the reality is it really would suck for snowboarders. I think they just want to go there for the hype but don't realize what it's really like. Now that I'm on skis again and have gone back and spent some time there skiing the good stuff I have changed my tune. I'd still like to ride Alta but I highly doubt it'd be in my top 20 favorite places to ride a board.

What does piss me off though it their reasoning for not allowing snowboarders is safety. That's a load of shit. I wish they would just say that it's because they cater to a group of people who either unjustifiably hate snowboarders or who want to ski the mountain and don't really give a shit if they allow boarders. End of the day these two groups do a fine job of filling the parking lot. Their clientele doesn't give two shits about snowboarders so why should they? That reasoning is fine with me.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

If it goes to trial, healthy is not 100USD. But I will take your money, sure.

I'm in.

Terms:

If the court ruling goes to the snowboarders and the ban is overturned I'll pay you $100

If the court dismisses the case (because it was retarded to begin with) or the case goes to trial and the ban is upheld than I win the bet.
(I'd be willing to double, or triple the bet if you wish, but this keeps it fun...)

agreed?


....I can't wait for you to try and weasel your way out of this one...

[flyman683]

Maybe the more important question is - if snowboarders pose such a hazard to skiers, why does nearly every other resort in the world not protect its skiers similarly? Is Alta irrational, or effectively the rest of the world's ski operators?

Why: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Alta isn't irrational, just their rational interests are either/both:
a) some $$$ in being one of few no boarders areas (if it became the norm the premium likely goes away)
B) their interest isn't straight $, but some history, tradition, joy from angering people, etc.

[raisingarizona13]

Snowboarding would be awesome for Alta. Fuck, the most attitude I have ever seen from any snow slider has been from some of those lodge kids at Alta but who can blame them, those poor kids have such a lack of pussy up there that they probably don't even know how
to navigate a vagina well enough to find the fucking clitoris!

Eventually the clientele and the discriminational attitudes connected with them will die and then Alta will open to snowboarding.

All I know is that I love snowboarding, I remember back in the 90's before we were all on fat skis I envied snowboarders ability to carve smooth big turns down powder faces. I tried my hardest to emulate that style while skiing on 215 dh boards with lp tips. I was so influenced by snowboarding in creating my style of skiing that the thought of hating snowboarding is completely ridiculous. I actually find myself when riding in places like Snowbird, Jackson, and Telluride often being the only skier in the group.

Kids are kids and they tend to act like little D-bags no matter what tool they are on for sliding on snow, get over it. I fucking love snowboarding even though I don't ever actually do it.

[The Gnarwhale]

Serious, somewhat off-topic question: Why do ski and snowboard media outlets insist on being segregated?

TGR used to have some Jeremy Jones clips in their otherwise ski-centric films, but that's an exception. Most snow porn films are either snowboarding or skiing, with little overlap. Powder Magazine ("The Skiers Magazine") never runs any snowboard content. Transworld Snowboarding never runs any ski content. Ditto for SKI, SKIING, SBC Skiing, SBC Snowboarder, etc. Backcountry Magazine used to do some splitboard stuff, but now that's mostly been pushed over to Kronicle Magazine. As a ski bum who's been making a living slinging ski/snowboard photos, it's impossible to get an assignment for a pitch that involves a mix of skiers and splitboarders.

Seems like there must be some market research that's shown skiers are only interested in reading/watching/seeing other skiers and the same is true for snowboarders?

[DasBlunt]

I'm in.

Terms:

If the court ruling goes to the snowboarders and the ban is overturned I'll pay you $100

If the court dismisses the case (because it was retarded to begin with) or the case goes to trial and the ban is upheld than I win the bet.
(I'd be willing to double, or triple the bet if you wish, but this keeps it fun...)

agreed?


....I can't wait for you to try and weasel your way out of this one...

If it goes to trial and we lose.

If it gets dismissed, it will be resubmitted and a new judge will call it I imagine.

My 100 is not hinging on some douchbag blue hair not in trial.

[baron]

its not hate.Its logistics...skiers dont want to wait,while boarders fallin off the chairlif exit,slow the chair to a halt.skiers dot like traversing near such unpredictable random turns.there is no pattern to predict where a unskilled boarder will be .I never remember seein skiers squatting middle trail either..get ready for a good spray one planks educate young ignorant boarders and the sporters will be welcomed.

[DasBlunt]

its not hate.Its logistics...skiers dont want to wait,while boarders fallin off the chairlif exit,slow the chair to a halt.skiers dot like traversing near such unpredictable random turns.there is no pattern to predict where a unskilled boarder will be .I never remember seein skiers squatting middle trail either..get ready for a good spray one planks educate young ignorant boarders and the sporters will be welcomed.

No skiers ever fall or clog up the traverse…..right.

[baron]

^^^actually i said the chairlifts;I skied Vermont a shitload,NY,NJ,penn,every 5 min a Boarder falls at the exit,smtimes they crawl away and dont stop the lift at least.Dosen't seem a big prob at the Bird 'education for boarders' maybee? I see less collisions where basic ski rules are posted on the lift poles as u pass them.How many ignore the r of way in Utah is bad.

[ill-advised strategy]

but who can blame them, those poor kids have such a lack of pussy up there that they probably don't even know how to navigate a vagina well enough to find the fucking clitoris!

huh? find the what now?

[Swine]

Serious, somewhat off-topic question: Why do ski and snowboard media outlets insist on being segregated?

TGR used to have some Jeremy Jones clips in their otherwise ski-centric films, but that's an exception. Most snow porn films are either snowboarding or skiing, with little overlap. Powder Magazine ("The Skiers Magazine") never runs any snowboard content. Transworld Snowboarding never runs any ski content. Ditto for SKI, SKIING, SBC Skiing, SBC Snowboarder, etc. Backcountry Magazine used to do some splitboard stuff, but now that's mostly been pushed over to Kronicle Magazine. As a ski bum who's been making a living slinging ski/snowboard photos, it's impossible to get an assignment for a pitch that involves a mix of skiers and splitboarders.

Seems like there must be some market research that's shown skiers are only interested in reading/watching/seeing other skiers and the same is true for snowboarders?

Probably not the place for this, but I wholeheartedly agree. My favorite films incorporate both boards and skis (and even tele, oh my!). I think it just reinforces the "I'm a special snowflake" syndrome in people when it only focuses on one thing. But eh, whatever. You people are still fucking off about this?

I'll take a wager as well on Goat's terms.

[baron]

there is a difference in the way beginner boarders 'scrape' the powder off the surface of the runs.Hop and scrape,and scrape,scrape,hop.... ,dosent help the fresh powder ...as opposed to clean turns on a board or skis .maybee alot of boarders push it to slopes they should not be riding yet.I see skier approaching this ability jump,w more self honesty .Slip -slidin down a sik run, dosent make you anything but lucky

[DasBlunt]

there is a difference in the way beginner boarders 'scrape' the powder off the surface of the runs.Hop and scrape,and scrape,scrape,hop.... ,dosent help the fresh powder ...as opposed to clean turns on a board or skis .maybee alot of boarders push it to slopes they should not be riding yet.I see skier approaching this ability jump,w more self honesty .Slip -slidin down a sik run, dosent make you anything but lucky

You are a poster child Altard. Scraping the snow.....get a grip.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Just fucking move. Utah is a fascist police state, and SLC is crowded.

Nobody cares that you can't snowboard Alta.

[wickstad]

Not sure if it is for nazis or not but it sure does seem to have an overabundance of folks that would be the correct age.

[GPP33]

You are a poster child Altard. Scraping the snow.....get a grip.

He's kinda right. I've seen way more people side slipping down a hill on thier heel edge than I've seen skiers side slipping down. I think it's just that snowboarders feel more comfortable getitng in over thier head than skiers do. Still a lame excuse though as those that do it not only make up an insignificant percentage of boarders but they also consume an insignificant amount of that precious pow. That and if you're skiing where beginer boarders can access then you just need to step up your game and quit bitching.

[LightRanger]

Serious, somewhat off-topic question: Why do ski and snowboard media outlets insist on being segregated?

TGR used to have some Jeremy Jones clips in their otherwise ski-centric films, but that's an exception. Most snow porn films are either snowboarding or skiing, with little overlap. Powder Magazine ("The Skiers Magazine") never runs any snowboard content. Transworld Snowboarding never runs any ski content. Ditto for SKI, SKIING, SBC Skiing, SBC Snowboarder, etc. Backcountry Magazine used to do some splitboard stuff, but now that's mostly been pushed over to Kronicle Magazine. As a ski bum who's been making a living slinging ski/snowboard photos, it's impossible to get an assignment for a pitch that involves a mix of skiers and splitboarders.

Seems like there must be some market research that's shown skiers are only interested in reading/watching/seeing other skiers and the same is true for snowboarders?

Edit: I'm a fan of BC snowboarding stuff as seen in Deeper, Further, various Sweetgrass films, and various Powderwhore films. But then, I'm a (mostly) ex-snowboarder. Flippy spinny shit was appealing to me 10 years ago. Not so much now. But that's for either sliding method. I don't think it matters though. My friends who're into BC stuff but have never snowboarded still enjoy BC snowboarding/snowboard mountaineering stuff, as in Further. I also liked Backcountry's coverage of splitboarding, although I haven't had a subscription in forever.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Maybe there a place in the market for a Snowsliding Monthly.

[Bromontana]

http://www.powdermag.com/stories/end-snow-separatism/

This article is a piece of shit. The author beats down legitimate efforts by the snowboarding community to instill some fairness in upper LCC while prescribing that a bunch of pussy-footed platitudes, if repeated enough, are the way to secure snow equality for boarders.

Why does the skiing crowd continually conflate the equal protection argument put forth in the lawsuit and misguided Rosa Parks-protected class arguments? They're not the same and I haven't seen anyone equate the harm of racial injustice with Alta's ban. But plenty of ski folks carry on shaming boarders for doing just that.

An interesting point in this discussion is how the ambivalence and condescension from skiers parallels that of bigots. Note that is a comparison of the disposition of a non-affected party, NOT OF THE HARM THAT POLICY CREATES. This is an important distinction to make, because failing to do so results in an inaccurate view of the issue. People simply don't do much digging when they're not on the side affected, it's human nature. But it doesn't legitimize reiterating time and time again these poorly researched and inaccurate portrayals of "the opposition".

An issue's relative importance should bear little to no weight on the conclusion one reaches when reviewing matters of equality, only on the timeliness or urgency people attach to prospective change. In this case I haven't seen any snowboarders talk about deadlines- we simply want the ban lifted.

Another point, nobody's going to look out for yours if you don't. Skiers here make a great case study on why it is so important to be vocal, even on trivial local issues like Alta's downhill/uphill policies. Even today influential pros like Gnarwhale alternate between being passive and loathing the fact the issue is even being discussed. That is discouraging and only foments discontent.

And for the record, MRG & DV can do whatever they please. They're on private land Derek. There is no argument to be had aside from whining. Well, except that cute little saying you've been hiding in your wallet since '98.

[Kenny Satch]

the only Nazis are the ones that want to attack the peace and tranquility of this most Zen like paradise, Alta.
those that wish to take over and Dictate like Nazi Pigs only strengthens the belief that the unenlighten should never be allowed to take over and destroy the harmony of this sacred Ski Resort.
for you awesome and accomplished Boarders you have options. so be thankful for what you have and not hateful for what you don't have

the Dalai Lama understands

[bigdude2468]

http://www.powdermag.com/stories/end-snow-separatism/

This article is a piece of shit. The author beats down legitimate efforts by the snowboarding community to instill some fairness in upper LCC while prescribing that a bunch of pussy-footed platitudes, if repeated enough, are the way to secure snow equality for boarders.

Why does the skiing crowd continually conflate the equal protection argument put forth in the lawsuit and misguided Rosa Parks-protected class arguments? They're not the same and I haven't seen anyone equate the harm of racial injustice with Alta's ban. But plenty of ski folks carry on shaming boarders for doing just that.

An interesting point in this discussion is how the ambivalence and condescension from skiers parallels that of bigots. Note that is a comparison of the disposition of a non-affected party, NOT OF THE HARM THAT POLICY CREATES. This is an important distinction to make, because failing to do so results in an inaccurate view of the issue. People simply don't do much digging when they're not on the side affected, it's human nature. But it doesn't legitimize reiterating time and time again these poorly researched and inaccurate portrayals of "the opposition".

An issue's relative importance should bear little to no weight on the conclusion one reaches when reviewing matters of equality, only on the timeliness or urgency people attach to prospective change. In this case I haven't seen any snowboarders talk about deadlines- we simply want the ban lifted.

Another point, nobody's going to look out for yours if you don't. Skiers here make a great case study on why it is so important to be vocal, even on trivial local issues like Alta's downhill/uphill policies. Even today influential pros like Gnarwhale alternate between being passive and loathing the fact the issue is even being discussed. That is discouraging and only foments discontent.

And for the record, MRG & DV can do whatever they please. They're on private land Derek. There is no argument to be had aside from whining. Well, except that cute little saying you've been hiding in your wallet since '98.

I guess it's time to life suit against the NFS for not allowing dogs in LCC. Dogs should have the same rights (equal protection) as moose, Rocky Mountain goats and other wildlife, including me that often takes a whizz up Canyon.