Ski RV's, who's sleeping in parking lots?

[SchralphMacchio]

I don’t but I see multiple of them (Scouts) at Hoodoo.

But I am not sure I would do that yet. If RV parks are metered then they technically shouldn’t give AF about hooking into an EV truck, but they still might complain. Some of them have started adopting no EV charging policies. You’ll have to be calling and checking if each one has a policy or not. You might need to limit current draw in some places. Also RV parks are notorious for grounding and neutral problems so you run the risk of damaging an EVSE or onboard charging unit if you don’t also run your EVSE through an EMS.

Winter performance of EVs is pretty terrible because there is no waste heat being generated by a combustion reaction; heating a cabin is a lot of demand on a battery, as is the extra wind drag of an overcab camper. I’ll see Rivians towing light travel trailers short distances midsummer but not in winter. My guess is that hauling range with a camper won’t be any worse than towing range, so you can start mining the relevant EV truck forums to see what people’s experience is. Popups could be a more practical option.

At this point it seems like the NA market is moving towards NACS over CCS but I don’t think any production trucks have them built
in yet? Rivian and Ford are switching soon if they haven’t done it yet.

I’d be surprised if you can stay below payload with camp and activity necessities. I don’t know the specs on the REV yet but I presume that added range may likely come at the expense of reduced payload …

[frorider]

As these ^ actually get to market, I’ll be interested to see how quickly the battery charges when engine is idling. Theoretically it’s putting out 250 kW…so even just 15 mins of idling should give you an extra 40
miles of range. But I don’t yet know the thermodynamic losses.

[Name Redacted]

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Anybody here have a Scout camper? I have a crazy idea involving an electric pickup, RV parks, and a hard wall lightish weight camper a la Scout or Kimbo...potential next step in vanlife evolution... Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk

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I have a Scout. &nbsp;Love it. &nbsp;But I would reccomend looking at the Total Composites camper system. &nbsp;Even better because their joints prevent thermal bridging. &nbsp;Scout is kinda notorious for condensation buildup in humid environments like the PNW. &nbsp;I don&#39;t really have any issues in CO/UT.</p>
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As far as drag, mine is on a &#39;09 Tundra w/ 4&quot; lift and AT3s. I get ~11.9 mpg avg on trips on the highway. &nbsp;Not great. &nbsp;But my friend who has a stock Tundra gets 12.9mpg. &nbsp;So in those terms, it really isn&#39;t that terrible. &nbsp;YMMV of course. &nbsp;</p>

[byates1]

Re fro- yep. Prius figured it out 20 plus yrs ago. A hybrid electric w regeneration should be the standard.

[Huskier]

I don’t but I see multiple of them (Scouts) at Hoodoo.

But I am not sure I would do that yet. If RV parks are metered then they technically shouldn’t give AF about hooking into an EV truck, but they still might complain. Some of them have started adopting no EV charging policies. You’ll have to be calling and checking if each one has a policy or not. You might need to limit current draw in some places. Also RV parks are notorious for grounding and neutral problems so you run the risk of damaging an EVSE or onboard charging unit if you don’t also run your EVSE through an EMS.

Winter performance of EVs is pretty terrible because there is no waste heat being generated by a combustion reaction; heating a cabin is a lot of demand on a battery, as is the extra wind drag of an overcab camper. I’ll see Rivians towing light travel trailers short distances midsummer but not in winter. My guess is that hauling range with a camper won’t be any worse than towing range, so you can start mining the relevant EV truck forums to see what people’s experience is. Popups could be a more practical option.

At this point it seems like the NA market is moving towards NACS over CCS but I don’t think any production trucks have them built
in yet? Rivian and Ford are switching soon if they haven’t done it yet.

I’d be surprised if you can stay below payload with camp and activity necessities. I don’t know the specs on the REV yet but I presume that added range may likely come at the expense of reduced payload …

I have it on decent authority that an ER Lightning with a 1000 lb overcab camper will do 225 miles of range if you keep it to 65. Supercharger access, so tanking up is a non-issue (aside from the clueless thinking I'm ICE'ing them). I've been driving a janky old Tesla in cold weather for years, you kind of get used to it. Most mfrs have gone to a pretty efficient heat pump so the lack of waste heat isn't as much of an issue...

But the lack of grounding, damn. I knew there had to be a catch

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[Trackhead]

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[frorider]

https://fourwheelcampers.com/adventu...-truck-camper/

A low profile pop top camper & the biggest battery = 200+ mile range … I can imagine that’s possible if you keep speed reasonable. But a Scout camper or similar height rig? Interested to know your source Huskier.

[SchralphMacchio]

Huskier, do you have an LLC? Or can you set one up?

https://www.theverge.com/news/608421...ustomer-amazon

[beaterdit]

I didn't know those were Rivians. Fugly but based on their other EVs, prolly well built and (maybe) decent range. Can't find the range on the website though and not gonna dig through the manual. Why so secretive? Because it prolly sucks.

[Huskier]

Huskier, do you have an LLC? Or can you set one up?

https://www.theverge.com/news/608421...ustomer-amazon

Hah the thought did cross my mind and I did look into it. Fwd only and range in the mid 100's.

^^Ill post the link when I find it again but essentially an internet dood that has a scout Yoho on his and claims that range...

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[apex dave]

An interesting light weight option https://classifieds.castanet.net/det...rayzr/5110849/

[SchralphMacchio]

Spotted this gem today, I thought it would tickle the loins of the Express lovers here.

[Huskier]

https://fourwheelcampers.com/adventu...-truck-camper/

A low profile pop top camper & the biggest battery = 200+ mile range … I can imagine that’s possible if you keep speed reasonable. But a Scout camper or similar height rig? Interested to know your source Huskier.

I did some light math. Truck camper with pretty modest assumptions increases power consumption required to travel at 65 mph by about 65% (coincidentally)... Taking an EPA rating of 320 (again, ideal). Down to about 210. Modify a few of those assumptions and 225 doesn't actually seem impossible.

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[SchralphMacchio]

I did some light math. Truck camper with pretty modest assumptions increases power consumption required to travel at 65 mph by about 65% (coincidentally)... Taking an EPA rating of 320 (again, ideal). Down to about 210. Modify a few of those assumptions and 225 doesn't actually seem impossible.

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What about payload and gear? Or just replace/reinforce springs/dampers and F it?

If you embark on this grand experiment I’ll be keenly curious. I’m not an EV hater, but I probably am pigeonholing their applications based on old tech, as my two vehicles are a fairly degraded 2016 LEAF 30 kWh and a 2013 F250 crew cab 6.7ft bed, it’s like owning 70mm waxless skis and Praxis Protests and nothing in between, lol! The resistive heater on the LEAF saps battery this time of year - I do have a heat pump equipped but it’s fairly worthless below 40-45F. While your Tesla is generations ahead, I’m skeptical on the wind drag and tech in the Lightning, but I would love to be proven wrong. One thing that’s really interesting is how in an ICE vehicle, the engine itself is so inefficient that changes in drag (wind, rain, road surface, vehicle speed) do affect the fuel efficiency but not by that much … not so in the LEAF, as rainwater shows up as a serious (10%?) hit in load and driving range, 35 mph gets more than double the range of 65 mph, winter range with my heater going is like 65% of summer range, etc. When the vehicle itself is very efficient, and also poorly equipped in energy density, you really notice things like that.

[Huskier]

What about payload and gear? Or just replace/reinforce springs/dampers and F it?

If you embark on this grand experiment I’ll be keenly curious. I’m not an EV hater, but I probably am pigeonholing their applications based on old tech, as my two vehicles are a fairly degraded 2016 LEAF 30 kWh and a 2013 F250 crew cab 6.7ft bed, it’s like owning 70mm waxless skis and Praxis Protests and nothing in between, lol! The resistive heater on the LEAF saps battery this time of year - I do have a heat pump equipped but it’s fairly worthless below 40-45F. While your Tesla is generations ahead, I’m skeptical on the wind drag and tech in the Lightning, but I would love to be proven wrong. One thing that’s really interesting is how in an ICE vehicle, the engine itself is so inefficient that changes in drag (wind, rain, road surface, vehicle speed) do affect the fuel efficiency but not by that much … not so in the LEAF, as rainwater shows up as a serious (10%?) hit in load and driving range, 35 mph gets more than double the range of 65 mph, winter range with my heater going is like 65% of summer range, etc. When the vehicle itself is very efficient, and also poorly equipped in energy density, you really notice things like that.

We're just talking about the range reduction from the drag of the camper profile, and the CDA number I used 0.8 assumes that it's essentially a box being dragged through the air. Also this is for sea level air density at 40°. The weight becomes less of an issue assuming you're traveling on level ground Because at a steady speed weight only increases tire rolling resistance (coefficient of friction * normal force) Climbing is also going to kill range but you recoup the majority of that energy descending.

Also the electric Sprinter has a range of 252 on the EPA cycle and a battery size of 113kW. Lightning has 20 more KWH, although the sprinter has a slightly smaller frontal area. Heading to the Scout factory in Yakima next week to poke and prod.

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[frorider]

In other news, Ford is stopping production of the Transit Trail version. Good riddance, that body-lift approach was cheesy & the tire diameter reduction under recall was embarrassing.

[SchralphMacchio]

Friends brought an ice fishing tent and a portable wood burning stove to the hill! Now this is how you roll in style!

[Name Redacted]

Any recommended camp spots for a truck camper in/near the RFV? Looking to ski Aspen for a few days this week.

[alpinevibes]

Any recommended camp spots for a truck camper in/near the RFV? Looking to ski Aspen for a few days this week.

The intercept lot is pretty much unpoliced. I park my school bus there every night (for work) and rotating cast of permanent van lifers and passing through folks like you is steady. Should be fine for a couple nights

[Name Redacted]

Awesome, thanks!

[Trackhead]

My parking lot has been discovered. But it’s always the same rigs and cool people.


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[fastfred]

2nd the intercept lot stayed there for a night this fall wish summit county would do something like that and look the other way

[SchralphMacchio]

Always good when a long weekend starts like this …


… continues on to this …



… the last day looks like this…


… and somehow finishes with a chain-free not-sketchy drive home down the pass!

[MakersTeleMark]

That is so kid snow cave friendly. I would (have) totally done that. Good on you!

[frorider]

Parking lot stoke always appreciated in this thread