Five Dead, Three Injured in Wisconsin After Confrontation Between Hunters

[Snow Dog]

Just as many guns in Canada without the murder rate. It's not the guns; it's us.

You shouldn't believe Mr. Moore -- Canada has as many (or more) rifles and shotguns per capita but far fewer handguns (they're a pain in the ass to own). Our murder rate is lower but our assault rate is higher. Maybe it's the hockey.

[FNG]

I would rather live in fear of getting assaulted than of getting murdered.

[Snow Dog]

I would rather live in fear of getting assaulted than of getting murdered.

I'd rather not live in fear. In any case, I'm not worried about being assaulted or murdered.

Hunting was interesting this year because of the large number of hunters wandering around in the woods. But we were all civil about it.

[FollowMe]

And I just watched Deliverance today for the first time and thought damn, but then remembered that it was just a movie. Guess not?

[Darkside]

I live in MT, i'm not talking about having some guy start shit with me on the street, i'm talking about hunting, farmers/ranchers and other situations.

You should have read my WHOLE post, ass. APD said that he used "to carry". That says to me that he was carrying the gun on him for protection. Still, I think that no one should be allowed to even have a gun in their home. Though I guess I can understand the uses for farmers/ranchers, but with the way farming and ranching has become, I doubt they're really necessary. Oh, and check this out:

...for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998)

[FNG]

...for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998)

You don't need a gun to commit suicide. Having a gun doesn't make you more or less likely to commit suicide. You might as well outlaw rope and razor blades too.

[Jumper Bones]

few years back a kid shot a llama in montana. From the Snopes.com article about an urban legend of farmers painting 'COW' on the sides of cows to keep them from getting shot. (btw, this was in the part where they tell true stories related to the legend)

btw, I believe they were jetters from Malmstrom/Great Falls. They're infamous up there.

the one thing that I can say is, at least they were out and trying to sample and do some of the local pastimes, instead of sitting around the dorms drunk and bitching how Great Falls doesn't have the same things to do that, say, New York or LA do.

[Blurred]

"When you're hunting you don't expect somebody to try to shoot you and murder you," he said.


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This quote from that story made me laugh. Obviously he's not the Deer.

[FNG]

hahaha, blurred made a funny.

[The General]

I have been hunting safely for the last 10 years. I have not shot anyone, nor has anyone shot me. I hunt with a group who is responsible and safety minded. We have even asked others not to hunt with us because they couldn't take our rules seriously. I think hunting is an enjoyable and necessary sport however, firearms demand respect! If you cannot grasp this concept, you should probably think twice about hunting and/or owning a gun.

[mrw]

I'm glad I didn't offend. I do think that you have no need to carry a gun in this country, ever.

You obviously don't travel where I do.There have been times that I could have used a flame thrower

[slippy]

You should have read my WHOLE post, ass.

Nobody likes a prick. Read the Welcome Wagon thread, please.

[irul&ublo]

Is it just me or one that one of the most poorly written articles you've ever read. Nearly every "paragraph" was a single sentence. Do they not teach writing in journalism school or just not require journalism degrees for internet news agencies?

The person who wrote it probably graduated from Cal.

[Tippster]

I'm confused. Cows? Llamas? Horses? What are you people talking about?


These people were not shot by ACCIDENT. This fucker HUNTED and KILLED them for fucking with "his" treestand!!! There was no accident - this was a "Serial" killing in its simplest form - predator and prey. Too bad there's no Death Penalty in Wisc. I'd be all too happy to revoke this piece of shit's ability to breathe my air.

[crashnburn'd]

I'm confused. Cows? Llamas? Horses? What are you people talking about?

The horse I was talking about was no accident, I should have elaborated.... After the investigation, etc, it was revealed that the shooter had a running feud with the father of the girl.

[xboat]

crazy shit. that story that was linked to didn't provide much info so i did a little googling. here is a better explanation of what happened. i find this fact to be very troubling. what the hell was this guy doing? hunting deer with an assault rifle???? sounds fishy...plus, the guy was trespassing.

The suspect was "sniping" at the victims with a SKS assault-style rifle, Zeigle said. He was "chasing after them and killing them," he said

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/041122/w112214.html

BIRCHWOOD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among deer hunters over a tree stand in northwestern Wisconsin erupted Sunday in a series of shootings that left five people dead and three injured, officials said.

Jake Hodgkinson, a deputy at the county jail, identified the suspect as Chai Vang but would give no additional identification. The Star Tribune of Minneapolis reported he was 36-years-old and from St. Paul, Minn. The incident happened when two hunters were returning to their rural cabin on private land in Sawyer County and saw the suspect in one of their tree stands, County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle said. A confrontation and shooting followed.

It's not known who shot first, Zeigle said.

Both men were wounded and one of them radioed back to the cabin. Other hunters responded and were shot, he said. Some of the victims may have shot back at the suspect, Zeigle said.

The suspect was "sniping" at the victims with a SKS assault-style rifle, Zeigle said. He was "chasing after them and killing them," he said.

The dead included four males, including a teenage boy, and a woman, Zeigle said. The man who radioed for help was not fatally wounded. Some of the victims were shot more than once.

All five were dead when officers arrived, he said.

Authorities found two bodies near each other and the other three were scattered around the area, which is near Town of Meteor in southwestern Sawyer County. Two people who stayed in the cabin emerged safely after the shootings.

The suspect, who did not have a compass, got lost in the woods and two other hunters, not knowing the man was being sought in the shootings, helped him find his way out, Zeigle said. When he emerged from the woods, a Department of Natural Resources officer recognized the deer licence on his back, given to police by a victim, Zeigle said.

The man was out of bullets when they arrested him, Zeigle said.

One of the injured hunters was in critical condition at St. Joseph's Hospital. Another was listed in serious condition and the third was in fair condition, both at Lakeview Medical Center.

Wisconsin's statewide deer gun hunting season started Saturday and lasts for nine days.

Bill Wagner, 72, of Oshkosh, was about three kilometres away near Deer Lake with a party of about 20 other hunters. He said the incident was "very upsetting."

After they got word of a shooting, he and others went to round up the rest of the party. He said they heard sirens, planes and helicopters and noticed the surrounding roads blocked off.

"When you're hunting you don't expect somebody to try to shoot you and murder you," he said. "You have no idea who is coming up to you."

The incident won't stop their hunt, he said.

"We're all old, dyed-in-wool hunters," he said. "We wouldn't go home because of this but we will keep it in our minds. We're not forgetting it."

[xboat]

another story:

http://www.nbc5.com/news/3937952/detail.html

[FNG]

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[summit]

Old hunting story:

A shot rings out. A man stands by a fresh kill. The hunter runs up from the woods.

Hunter waving gun: "That's my deer! I shot it! You get away from it!"

Man: "OK OK Mister! Whatever you say! It's all yours. Just let me take my saddle off it first."

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I think every able bodied American should know how to shoot. I think every person in this country who is comfortable with having a gun should own one.

The ability to defend yourself with force if necessary is surest protection against the aggression of the less civil members of society. The ability of the populace to defend its rights and property with force if necessary is the surest protection against tyranny and aggression by a government, foreign or domestic. It is our right as Americans and human beings... unless you actually believe that the purpose of the 2nd Ammendment is to guarantee the right of the Army to have guns... (Next thing you know we'll need an ammendment for the police).

[Lone Star]

The ability of the populace to defend its rights and property with force if necessary is the surest protection against tyranny and aggression by a government, foreign or domestic.

I've heard this statement a few times before when gun rights and 2nd amendment issues are brought up... but it doesn't really make sense to me. How in the hell is my possession of a handgun going to protect myself from any government? How am I going to be able to defend my home or my land against people wielding RPGs, large caliber machine guns, missiles from helicopters and airplanes?

In an age where the weaponry of even weak governments is far superior to anything that can be legally carried by an American citizen, how can we use this "defense of rights and property against hostile governments" as a reason to continue to have the right to own guns?

[summit]

I've heard this statement a few times before when gun rights and 2nd amendment issues are brought up... but it doesn't really make sense to me. How in the hell is my possession of a handgun going to protect myself from any government? How am I going to be able to defend my home or my land against people wielding RPGs, large caliber machine guns, missiles from helicopters and airplanes?

In an age where the weaponry of even weak governments is far superior to anything that can be legally carried by an American citizen, how can we use this "defense of rights and property against hostile governments" as a reason to continue to have the right to own guns?

YOU won't. YOU can defend yourself against another person.

A populace can defend itself against a tyrannical government. An individual cannot on their own. 100 million armed Americans is a match for just about anything.

Think 1940s Germany. One Jew with a gun would be killed.

If they had all had guns (if Hitler hadn't taken the guns from all the Jews years earlier). Mass deportations and executions would have been trickier for the SS if their victims could shoot back.

"We can never invade America. There will be a gun behind every blade of Grass" - Admiral Yamamoto 1941

There is no major foreign or domestic tyrannical threat (well some people might say there is) now. But who knows what the world will bring in 10 years from abroad or within. The founding fathers knew it was good to be prepared.

[fez]

so you havent been following the news enough to see what a poorly equiped geurilla force can do to an occupying army?

[Lone Star]

so you havent been following the news enough to see what a poorly equiped geurilla force can do to an occupying army?

so you haven't been following the news enough to see the ass-whuppin that was put down on one such force in Fallujah? Make no mistake, if the US had no regard for civilian life in Iraq, Fallujah would have been taken many months ago.

[mrw]

I've heard this statement a few times before when gun rights and 2nd amendment issues are brought up... but it doesn't really make sense to me. How in the hell is my possession of a handgun going to protect myself from any government? How am I going to be able to defend my home or my land against people wielding RPGs, large caliber machine guns, missiles from helicopters and airplanes?

In an age where the weaponry of even weak governments is far superior to anything that can be legally carried by an American citizen, how can we use this "defense of rights and property against hostile governments" as a reason to continue to have the right to own guns?

it's called the "GOLDEN BB" and just ask a few former guests of the Hanoi Hilton if you are confused

[fez]

so you haven't been following the news enough to see the ass-whuppin that was put down on one such force in Fallujah? Make no mistake, if the US had no regard for civilian life in Iraq, Fallujah would have been taken many months ago.

I follow the news and most of what i am hearing is we put a hell of a whuppin on the mostly empty ship after the rats fled.

http://www.canada.com/news/world/sto...3-f51daf80866d