4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[phallic-menace]

Thaats all folks. Hopefully mounting anxiety is all over. I'm sitting having a beer whilst my 14/15 rens get mounted with wardens 88 from tail 186 length.
Skied a buds (90 from tail) a few days ago and had to get a pair. The most versatile ski I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. Inserts for radical 2.0 to come.

Shut up and hold my dick

[undertow2]

How in the hell are these not gone... For those that want a 196:

http://www.steepandcheap.com/gear-ca...FTS000B-ONECOL

Hand built powder ski that is truly in a class of its own...

[undertow2]

By far the best looking ski I own... The only drawback is all the dumb ass comments I get when on the lift...

[phallic-menace]

122 full rocker doesn't make sense on paper as a daily but damn it skis just like what I wanted

[skinipenem]

HOLD MY DICK!

seriously, the 196 owls just keep getting better and better. the other day i finally sacked up and straightlined a powder day bump run. I swear the faster I went the more stable the skis became. My friend said he had never seen anyone straightline a run like that and have their feet completely smooth and still. I love these skis. Serious ridiculousness.

[Judo Chop!]

yup! hope they never stop making these things. I'm hoarding just in case.

[bmath]

I have a pair that I've had in storage for a while (shit snow years in tahoe). these were the 10/11 renegades in 196, with exposed wood sidewalls.


I took them out of storage and the rocker radius no longer matches the sidecut. They flattened out. Has anyone else experienced this? :-(

[shafty85]

I wouldn't worry too much - the ski will flex when turning. Mine are the same way (I believe 12/13 version). The concept of ReflectTech only works when the ski is flexed, or unflexed, a specific amount. If the radius matches when the ski is unflexed, then it won't match when the ski is flexed, and vice versa. In theory, your ski would more match the sidecut when flexed - seems like a good thing to me.

[vanisle]

Same here, they actually flattened out a bunch. Owl top-sheet. Just noticed the other day. Skied the shit out of them today and cant say i noticed a difference. Probably just there way of telling me to give them more love.

[azzure]

Had mine flatten out, then updated to the owl version one year later. Honestly I felt the slightly flattened out versions were better in all conditions including powder. Go figure.

[bmath]

Thanks for the updates everyone. I just remounted them as the HOJIs you see in that picture blew out spectacularly.

This thread here is quite the resource. Years later and still we're all here, popping in with info/questions. Appreciate it.

[Dshack89]

PSA for SLC mags: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=218&ad=38695405

Wish this was the 196 or I'd be all over it myself

[gaijin]

This thread here is quite the resource. Years later and still we're all here, popping in with info/questions. Appreciate it.

The Ren is a purebred Cult Ski, mate. 4FRNT killed it in that their "failures" have turned into "character."

I skied my owls today... again... years down the line. It's funny that I'm more careful about how I store them (don't stand on tails, keep them dry and waxed) as opposed to how I ski them (abuse all trees/GTFO of my way.)

[auvgeek]

Had mine flatten out, then updated to the owl version one year later. Honestly I felt the slightly flattened out versions were better in all conditions including powder. Go figure.

Agreed. Skied a pair with a lot more rocker once, and didn't like them nearly as much as my pair that was flat to the point of developing camber.

[DGamms]

Anybody want a used 2nd gen (Raven) 186 cm pair of Rens? They need about $50 of ptex after a weekend at Silverton, otherwise in good shape. Drilled once on the line for STH16s, BSL 310.

Was thinking $100 + shipping. I haven't posted in Gearswap yet...

[shafty85]

Had mine flatten out, then updated to the owl version one year later. Honestly I felt the slightly flattened out versions were better in all conditions including powder. Go figure.

Agreed. Skied a pair with a lot more rocker once, and didn't like them nearly as much as my pair that was flat to the point of developing camber.

Again, this would be due to the ski being flatter than the radius when unflexed, would result in the ski being closer to the design ideal of rocker matching sidecut radius when the ski is flexed. If the rocker matches the radius when unflexed, it wouldn't match when flexed - so, I would agree that the ski 'flattening' would ultimately result in a better ski (if the theory behind ReflectTech is correct). Regardless, these skis kill it, though I often get tired/lazy and they sometimes threaten to kill me.

[JimLad]

Can anyone compare this years Raven to the Renegade? I also heard next years shape is a little different and skis more like the Ren. Considering a pair next year to save some weight on the skin track...190 length is appealing

[shafty85]

I suspect that will depend on if you are comparing to the new, lighter, Renegade or the original? That being said, I wish they had narrowed the ski, rather than made it wider - make it a more versatile spring touring ski. Hojis and Renegades still work great for deep winter tours.

[JimLad]

I have the renegade from a couple of years ago, wood sidewall. I think they probably widened the Raven since the Kye 95 exists.

[mr_pretzel]

Are the new 15/16s just as good as the old ones? And what about 16/17's?

[gramboh]

On that topic, has anyone been on a pair of 16/17 yet? Even for a run on hard snow during SIA or something?

I found a pair of new 2015/16 from a dealer for $699CAD which is a good price considering our crappy exchange rate. I love the way my OG 2010/11 ski but they are in need of replacement. I don't know if a weight reduction is a good thing to me, but then again the guys at 4FRNT know what they are doing. They will be mounted with Guardians so weight is a moot point.

Thanks

[Mustonen]

I don't know if a weight reduction is a good thing to me, but then again the guys at 4FRNT know what they are doing.

Sure, but maybe what they're doing is sacrificing chargeability for uphill performance. Which wouldn't be my favorite for hacking around my local molehill.

Kinda hoping for a livelier ski that's easier to throw around that's still a burly mother.

[Lindahl]

FWIW, I have a hybrid PM Gear Kusala, and a carbon PM Gear Kusala, both extra stiff, about 1.5lb/pair in weight difference. In the conditions I generally ski them in (powder), I'd be surprised if the weight difference between the old and new Renegades changes how they ski, unless you're taking them out in firmer conditions than I generally do.

I still want a 190... ugh

[JRainey]

I didn't ski them, but flexed them.

Compared to the OG Rens they are softer, but I was excited about that. At 160lbs my OG rens just don't flex too much. The new ones seem a little more lively, a la the EHP flex.

It does seem they have been getting slightly softer other the years though, just based on what people have said here. So maybe the flex I felt is more in line with the 15/16 version anyway, vs my 10/11 version.

I did ski the new Raven with the lighter construction and it didn't seem less burly than the current model.

I think the new Raven will be a real winner by the way, going back to a constant radius makes it ski more neutral in the way we all love.

[gramboh]

Bought the 15/16 Rens, will pick them up in a few days. The shop dude was telling me that MSRP for 16/17 Renegades will be $950CAD this fall... Seems like the weak CADUSD will be blowing up ski gear prices this fall like it did to 2016 bike gear.