4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[merlinmassoud]

hello,
the renegades shape makes it pivoty and in the same time the hard flex is very stable.

I have the feeling it's more the thick of the core, specially on tip and tail, who mades this hard and dampening flex, than the weigth of fibberglass.

by the way on the renegade's notice it's write there are 3 layers of Q45 fiberglass each side. is it a triaxial fibber? and what total weight in 0 and 45 degrees way's.

with friends we are trying to build a renegade 2cm wider and we don't know at all wich fibbers to use,
4frnt can you help us please?

[ectreeskier11]

hello,
the renegades shape makes it pivoty and in the same time the hard flex is very stable.

I have the feeling it's more the thick of the core, specially on tip and tail, who mades this hard and dampening flex, than the weigth of fibberglass.

by the way on the renegade's notice it's write there are 3 layers of Q45 fiberglass each side. is it a triaxial fibber? and what total weight in 0 and 45 degrees way's.

with friends we are trying to build a renegade 2cm wider and we don't know at all wich fibbers to use,
4frnt can you help us please?

you're trying to build a rengade that's 142 underfoot? that's just stupid.

[merlinmassoud]

"you're trying to build a rengade that's 142 underfoot? that's just stupid."

I'm convince you can apply the renegade concept to 95mm to 150mm wide underfoot, with shallows
adjusrements.
it's basically the future of ski

why make a ski widder?
basically we don,t have all the capacities of Hoji, riding faces at high speed and very steep ( and dangerous ) terrains.
2cm widder offer you this imbelievable pivot/stability/float.
without the same requirements, that's all.

more cruising, less straights!

[ectreeskier11]

if you can't make a 120+ waisted ski float you're doing it wrong.

[TheDon]

hello,
with friends we are trying to build a renegade 2cm wider and we don't know at all wich fibbers to use,
4frnt can you help us please?

I don't think if I were 4frnt I would want to reveal our R&D, ideas and hard work. I see what you are doing but I just don't think I'd want to reveal that kind of info.

[merlinmassoud]

I'm sure others compagnies copy the good one very easily, specially on race: they open the ski sandwich, analyse titanal, fibers, and wood.

for freeride stuff, fortunatly what they want first it's not what there is inside the ski, but the marvellous athlete who make us dreaming, isn'it?

[foreal]

you're trying to build a rengade that's 142 underfoot? that's just stupid.

Some people appreciate the Lotus 138, which is arguably a very similar shape/concept as the Renegade.

[merlinmassoud]

thanks Foreal.
lotus 138 has only 70 cm of effective edge, too much rockers and not this magique association of mellow reverse camber/35m sidecut who makes the Renegade so good with the stiff flex.

if it was the case, renegade shape + drake construction, I think I would be french rep for years, or just be the owner of several pair of 138 for the low
price they asked at the begining!!!

[verbier61]

I've 138 and renegades. Very different skis. And BTW I do not believe that here in superdry europe I would neeed a fatter renegade

[merlinmassoud]

lucky you are!

in europe the only thing we need for now it,s a paire of grivel!!!

by the way, are you sure fisher at boots will have a vacuum model with dyna inserts?

[verbier61]

by the way, are you sure fisher at boots will have a vacuum model with dyna inserts?

not the next winter

[merlinmassoud]

thanks, i will look the 2013 cochise pro, or titan carbon or...

TLT5 HOJI !

[pow314]

where are my skis!! the snow is falling and i'm getting antsy.....

[|K_M|]

where are my skis!! the snow is falling and i'm getting antsy.....

so much this, I NEED them!

[sqikunst]

Ah the new mixed child between the renegade and the EHP is gonna be the ski for nect year. No quiver is complete but drooling over a pair of new skis when one is sitting brand new in the wrokshop un-mounted or even skied is the confirmation that I am in the right place. Thanks TGR for making it all seem sane!!

[sqikunst]

^^ The Hoji!!

[ectreeskier11]

hoji and ren should be the perfect quiver. the main thing i think is cool is how the hoji is just a smaller version of the ren, so there won't be that adjustment period switching between skis that feel totally different. stoked.

[Mustonen]

hoji and ren should be the perfect quiver. the main thing i think is cool is how the hoji is just a smaller version of the ren, so there won't be that adjustment period switching between skis that feel totally different. stoked.

This +1. I WILL be purchasing the Hoji unless it ends up being reviewed as a steaming pile of poo - which I can't imagine happening.

[jslee]

Shipped! Also works as a Viagara substitute. I'm definitely rocking a ragin boner

[foreal]

I've 138 and renegades. Very different skis. And BTW I do not believe that here in superdry europe I would neeed a fatter renegade

Agreed. Not saying that they are the same, but just similar in all of the ski/rocker combinations out there. I'd be interested in your opinion of the two. Maybe would help my mount decision as I just received notice that my 196 Rens will be here in a few days!

To note I have been riding F3 R1 192 cm 138's for some time now. This ski is probablly the most similar Lotus rocker geometry from what I have seen of the Ren on the intraweb.

Stoked.

[verbier61]

Agreed. Not saying that they are the same, but just similar in all of the ski/rocker combinations out there. I'd be interested in your opinion of the two. Maybe would help my mount decision as I just received notice that my 196 Rens will be here in a few days!

To note I have been riding F3 R1 192 cm 138's for some time now. This ski is probablly the most similar Lotus rocker geometry from what I have seen of the Ren on the intraweb.

Stoked.

last winter, I never got more than 20-30 cm pow, so - sadly - never skied the 138. Renegedes were great with 20-30 cm, and sorta enjoyable also on groomed... which is not the case with 138, that can oly survive on hard snow.

[pow314]

updates? where are my skis!!!

[j0z77]

Our Japanes distributor, Powwave, should be getting theirs in within the next couple of weeks, then they should be hitting shops around Japan after that. Try sending an email to Hideo to find out where you can pick them up. yoshizawahideo@mac.com

Powwave answered they imported only 4 pairs of 196, which are sold out.
Could you introduce the shop which has 196 to me?
I really want to ski on the boards!

[|K_M|]

updates? where are my skis!!!

This, especially the 196s

[4FRNT]

This, especially the 196s

We're shipping them as fast as we can finish them. Five people, plus an entire finishing shop in Park City are putting in 10-12 hour days to get them out the door.