Well I'm moving to Canada

[A-wreck]

Al Sharpton......hardy-har-har


One time Al Sharpton was at a court near where I live to protest an 11 year old being tried as an adult.

He had like 12 supporters there and he was using a megaphone to talk to them.
He could have whispered and they would have heard him........

akpm has got to be the only person on the planet who takes him seriously

[EstoBum]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

We don't want him (AKPM). That's just what we need, knee-jerk reaction yahoos comming to canada cause they don't like politics in their country, and they like our igloos. If you don't like something in your country, try to change it. Don't bring it up here, we got enough political crap going on as it is.

And sharpton was hilarious on the daily show last night, but so was that republican govenor. it'd be better if the real debates were like that.

edit: dude was govenor not senator

[Sphinx]

http://www.learnaboutenergy.org/focus/space-shuttle.jpg

Look at the huge tank of solar energy they've bolted to that thing. Awesome!

That's the funniest fucking post I've read today.

AKPM, you're a fucktard.

[non grata]

man.. this post is making me crave some ketchup chips.

[Castro's]

That statement shows you either believe everything Bush has said or you just aren't paying attention. Kerry voted to give Bush the authorization to use force NOT for war itself. Read the transcript from Kerry's speach the day before he voted to give the President the authorization to use force. He cleary states the same conditions ( e.g. broader coalition) in which he feels the U.S. should go to war as he did during the Presidential race.

Sorry, you're right that they voted to give Bush authorization to use force. Going to war was never voted on. We are simply using force over in Iraq. Oh yeah, and Kerry along with numerous other democrats voted to allow Bush to do that. Kerry said, so, you said so, and a bunch of other politicians have said so.

This is the end of any politcal talk from me on a skiing forum. I'm an independent who thought both candidtates were horrible. What I find hilarious is how upset the majority of the people on this SKIING forum are about these results. The democrats got their asses kicked in royally not only in the presidential race, but in the house and senate races as well. The democrats excuse? "Americans and stupid and ignorant". Maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but bitching about on a skiing website isn't going to change shit.

trollin' trollin' trollin', keep those trolls a trollin', the troll's asses are not yet swollen, RAWHIDE!!!!

[ak_powder_monkey]

http://www.learnaboutenergy.org/focus/space-shuttle.jpg

Look at the huge tank of solar energy they've bolted to that thing. Awesome!

Liquid oxygen and Liquid Hydrogen power the shuttle you putz, the problem with it is that it takes a lot of energy to refine hydrogen and oxygen thats where solar energy comes in, thsi technology the oil companies own patents for though

[powderpyg]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

We don't want him (AKPM). That's just what we need, knee-jerk reaction yahoos comming to canada cause they don't like politics in their country, and they like our igloos. If you don't like something in your country, try to change it. Don't bring it up here, we got enough political crap going on as it is.


[[/i]

I'll second that motion!

[KQ]

Electing to Leave
A Readers Guide to Expatriating on November 3rd

by Bryant Urstadt

So the wrong candidate has won, and you want to leave the country. Let us consider your options.
Renouncing your citizenship

Given how much the United States as a nation professes to value freedom, your freedom to opt out of the nation itself is surprisingly limited. The State Department does not record the annual number of Americans renouncing their citizenship-"renunciants," as they are officially termed-but the Internal Revenue Service publishes their names on a quarterly basis in the Federal Register. The IRS's interest in the subject is, of course, purely financial; since 1996, the agency has tracked ex-Americans in the hopes of recouping tax revenue, which in some cases may be owed for up to ten years after a person leaves the country. In any event, the number of renunciants is small. In 2002, for example, the Register recorded only 403 departures, of which many (if not most) were merely longtime resident aliens returning home.

The most serious barrier to renouncing your citizenship is that the State Department, which oversees expatriation, is reluctant to allow citizens to go "stateless." Before allowing expatriation, the department will want you to have obtained citizenship or legal asylum in another country-usually a complicated and expensive process, if it can be done at all. Would-be renunciants must also prove that they do not intend to live in the United States afterward. Furthermore, you cannot renounce inside U.S. borders; the declaration must be made at a consul's office abroad.

Those who imagine that exile will be easily won would do well to consider the travails of Kenneth Nichols O'Keefe. An ex-Marine who was discharged, according to his website, under "other than honorable conditions," O'Keefe has tried officially to renounce his citizenship twice without success, first in Vancouver and then in the Netherlands. His initial bid was rejected after the State Department concluded that he would return to the United States-a credible inference, as O'Keefe in fact had returned immediately. After his second attempt,

O'Keefe waited seven months with no response before he tried a more sensational approach. He went back to the consulate at The Hague, retrieved his passport, walked outside, and lit it on fire. Seventeen days later, he received a letter from the State Department informing him that he was still an American, because he had not obtained the right to reside elsewhere. He had succeeded only in breaking the law, since mutilating a passport is illegal. It says so right on the passport.

Heading to Canada or Mexico

In your search for alternate citizenship, you might naturally think first of Canada and Mexico. But despite the generous terms of NAFTA, our neighbors to the north and south are, like us, far more interested in the flow of money than of persons. Canada, in particular, is no longer a paradise awaiting American dissidents: whereas in 1970 roughly 20,000 Americans became permanent residents of Canada, that number has dropped over the last decade to an average of just about 5,000. Today it takes an average of twenty-five months to be accepted as a permanent resident, and this is only the first step in what is likely to be a five-year process of becoming a citizen. At that point the gesture of expatriation may already be moot, particularly if a sympathetic political party has since resumed power.

Mexico's citizenship program is equally complicated. Seniors should know that the country does offer a lenient program for retirees, who may essentially stay as long as they want. But you will not be able to work or to vote, and, more important, you must remain an American for at least five years.

France

Should one candidate win, those who opposed the Iraq war might hope to find refuge in France, where a very select few are allowed to "assimilate" each year. Assimilation is reserved for persons of non-French descent who are able to prove that they are more French than American, having mastered the language as well as the philosophy of the French way of life. Each case is determined on its own merit, and decisions are made by the Ministère de l'Emploi, du Travail, et de la Cohésion Social. When your name is published in the Journal Officiel de la République Français, you are officially a citizen, and may thereafter heckle the United States with authentic Gallic zeal.

The coalition of the willing

Should the other candidate win, war supporters might naturally look to join the coalition of the willing. But you may find a willing and developing nation as difficult to join as an unwilling and developed one. It takes at least five years to become a citizen of Pakistan, for instance, unless one marries into a family, and each applicant for residency in Pakistan is judged on a case-by-case basis. Uzbekistan imposes a five-year wait as well, with an additional twist: the nation does not recognize dual citizenship, and so you will be required to renounce your U.S. citizenship first. Given Uzbekistan's standard of living (low), unemployment (high), and human-rights record (poor), this would be something of a leap of faith.

The Caribbean

A more pleasant solution might be found in the Caribbean. Take, for example, the twin-island nation of St. Kitts and Nevis, which Frommer's guide praises for its "average year-round temperature of 79°F (26°C), low humidity, white-sand beaches, and unspoiled natural beauty." Citizenship in this paradise can be purchased outright. Prices start at around $125,000, which includes a $25,000 application fee and a minimum purchase of $100,000 in bonds. Processing time, which includes checks for criminal records and HIV, can take up to three months, but with luck you could be renouncing by Inauguration Day. The island of Dominica likewise offers a program of "economic citizenship," though it should be noted that Frommer's describes the beaches as "not worth the effort to get there."

Speed is of the essence, however, because your choice of tropical paradises is fast dwindling: similar passport-vending programs in Belize and Grenada have been shut down since 2001 under pressure from the State Department, which does not approve. In any case, it should be noted that under the aforementioned IRS rules, you might well be forced to continue subsidizing needless invasions-or, to be evenhanded, needless afterschool programs.

Indian reservations

Our Native American reservations, which enjoy freedom from state taxation and law enforcement, might seem an ideal home for the political exile. But becoming a citizen of a reservation is difficult-one must prove that one is a descendant of a member of the original tribal base roll-and moreover would be, as a gesture of political disaffection, largely symbolic. Reservations remain subject to federal law; furthermore, citizens of a reservation hold dual citizenships, and as such are expected to vote in U.S. elections and to live with the results.

The high seas

You might consider moving yourself offshore. At a price of $1.3 million you can purchase an apartment on The World, a residential cruise ship that moves continuously, stopping at ports from Venice to Zanzibar to Palm Beach. Again, however, your expatriation would be only partial: The World flies the flag of the Bahamas, but its homeowners, who hail from all over Europe, Asia, and the United States, retain citizenship in their home nations.

To obtain a similar result more cheaply, you can simply register your own boat under a flag of convenience and float it outside the United States' 230-mile zone of economic control. There, on your Liberian tanker, you will essentially be an extension of that African nation, subject only to its laws, and may imagine yourself free of oppressive government.

[KQ]

Micronations

The boldest approach is to start a nation of your own. Sadly, these days it is essentially impossible to buy an uninhabited island and declare it a sovereign nation: virtually every rock above the waterline is now under the jurisdiction of one principality or another. But efforts have been made to build nations on man-made structures or on reefs lying just below the waterline. Among the more successful of these is the famous Principality of Sealand, which was founded in 1967 on an abandoned military platform off the coast of Britain. The following year a British judge ruled that the principality lay outside the nation's territorial waters. New citizenships in Sealand, however, are not being granted or sold at present.

A less fortunate attempt was made in 1972, when Michael Oliver, a Nevada businessman, built an island on a reef 260 miles southwest of Tonga. Hiring a dredger, he piled up sand and mud until he had enough landmass to declare independence for his "Republic of Minerva." Unfortunately, the Republic of Minerva was soon invaded by a Tongan force, whose number is said to have included a work detail of prisoners, a brass band, and Tonga's 350-pound king himself. The reef was later officially annexed by the kingdom.

More recently, John J. Prisco III, of the Philippines, has declared himself the prince of the Principality of New Pacific, and announced that he has discovered a suitable atoll in the international waters of the Central Pacific. As of publication, the principality has yet to begin the first phase of construction, but it is already accepting applications for citizenship.

Imaginary nations

Perhaps the most elegant solution is to join a country that exists only in one's own-or someone else's-imagination. Many such virtual nations can be found on the Internet, and citizenships in them are easy to acquire. This, in fact, was the route most recently attempted by Kenneth Nichols O'Keefe, the unfortunate ex-Marine. In February 2003,

O'Keefe went to Baghdad to serve as a human shield, traveling with a passport issued to him by the "World Service Authority," an outfit based in Washington, D.C., that has dubbed more than 1.2 million people "world citizens." While laying over in Turkey, however, he was detained; Turkey, as it turns out, does not recognize the World Service Authority. O'Keefe was forced to apply for a replacement U.S. passport from the State Department, which rather graciously complied.

Upon his arrival in Baghdad, O'Keefe promptly set the replacement passport on fire. But he remains, to his dismay, an American.

Bryant Urstadt's last article for Harper's Magazine, "A Four-Year Plague," appeared in the May issue

[Free Range Lobster]

http://house.style.net/usa.jpg

Angry New Englanders unite!

[Viva]

Electing to Leave
The IRS's interest in the subject is, of course, purely financial; since 1996, the agency has tracked ex-Americans in the hopes of recouping tax revenue, which in some cases may be owed for up to ten years after a person leaves the country.

It's like getting out of prison, but the Booty Bandit gets to make house calls.

[Free Range Lobster]

santa bubba.

[AKBckntry]

Yes, thats why I was rooting for Al Sharpton in the Primaries. Don't get me wrong I HATE John Kerry, however being that he is a democrat and didn't run every company he owned into the ground, I choose him as the lesser of 2 evils. As far as I'm concerned all we needed to do is put our troops in kuwait and say we would attack, if Saddam was as smart as Bush made him seem he would have Blown up our entire military in one swift blow. There would not have been a vote had Bush not asked for it. But whats 200 billion dollars when homeland security forces are lacking money severly. No child left behind costs schools millions of dollars to bus kids to other schools. The patriot act takes away our rights. We were attacked. My permentent fund divident has gone down $800 since Bush took office, that is $800 less I have for college, thats 100 hours of work. A 25 MPG car seems economical. The most 2H2 + O2 ----> 2H2O one of the most powerful chemical reactions there is not used because people can not embrace solar power (this is what the space shuttle uses) EXPLAIN HOW ANY OF THESE THINGS ARE WRONG

Fight wars, not war

Dude, WTF are you talking about?

1. Saddam and his forces were weak. His air force was non-existent. I wish this war was over, and had ended like the first war in Iraq.

2. Do some research on the Patriot Act: USA Patriot Act

3. "We were attacked." Are you blaming 9/11 on President Bush? What about the Oklahoma City, OK, bombing that happened on President Clinton's watch? What about the embassy bombings ion the African continent in 1998 that killed 258 people? Or the 2000 USS Cole bombing, which killed 17 U.S. sailors? Clinton attacked Afghanistan because he felt Osama Bin Laden was a world-wide threat, and he linked him to the embassy bombings in Africa.

4. I challenge you to prove that the reduced PFD is President Bush's fault. Do you know how the fund works?

Sorry for the rant man, but you appear to be talking out of your ass.

[UTdave]

Sorry for the rant man, but you appear to be talking out of your ass.

wow. He's only posted 10 times but he seems to be a fast learner.

[ak_powder_monkey]

OK I'm calm now, was just super pissed last night. I've decided that the American thing to do is start a revolution and not flee to Canada. I better get to ANWR soon before it gets destroyed forever though. And hell I'm gonna be out of public education soon.

Lets see I'll be 35 in 2032

AKPM in 2032!

[AKBckntry]

wow. He's only posted 10 times but he seems to be a fast learner.

Lol. I had to say it. He jumps from supporting the whacko Al Sharpton to blaming President Bush for our state's poor returns in a dividend.

[Viva]

I've decided that the American thing to do is start a revolution and not flee to Canada.

And now, thanks to our glorious president, you can buy all the semiautomatic weapons you like, on credit, to support your Tussle On the Tundra! Of course, with global warming, it won't be tundra for long!

[UTdave]

And now, thanks to our glorious president, you can buy all the semiautomatic weapons you like, on credit, to support your polar infatada! Of course, with global warming, it won't be polar for long!

actually the President said he would sign an extension of the assault weapons ban but Congress never got it to him. I for one prefer to hunt with automatic weapons.

[AKBckntry]

And now, thanks to our glorious president, you can buy all the semiautomatic weapons you like, on credit, to support your Tussle On the Tundra! Of course, with global warming, it won't be tundra for long!

Again, you don't have a large grasp on what you are talking about.

The ban was signed into law by President Clinton, and it was going to expire whether President Bush did anything or not.

Though it is the responsibility of the current President to rework the ban and extend the few useful parts of this legislation, people need to understand what is and isn't being banned.

http://www.awbansunset.com/index.html

http://www.ont.com/users/kolya/

[AndrewDiceClay]

How the hell could anyone in their right mind vote for a Imperialist murderer/genocideist?

Mary mary quite contrary,
trim that pussy,
it's so damn hairy!!
Last time I checked, Canuckia wasn't accepting dumb, ugly, or pathetic. Unfortunately, you're all three kid. GO FUCK YOURSELF.