Quick history primer of Democratic Presidents leading us to war

[TomDubious]

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
That's just one American city out of hundreds that size that are about as deadly as the entire wartorn country of Iraq.
When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, consider the
following:


FDR…
Led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
from 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
year.


Truman...

Finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per
year.


John F. Kennedy…

Started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.


Johnson...

Turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
Vietnam never attacked us.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per
year.


Clinton...

Went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by
Sudan and
did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.


In the two years since terrorists attacked the US > President Bush
has...

Liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida,
put nuclear inspectors inside the countries of Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.


The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking,
but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took democrat Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for
less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find her Rose Law Firm billing
records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the
police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick, drowning Mary Jo.


It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!


As Commander-In-Chief, Bush is doing a GREAT JOB!
The military morale is high.
If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.

[powslut]

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
That's just one American city out of hundreds that size that are about as deadly as the entire wartorn country of Iraq.

Sounds like the current administration is spending too much cash policing other countries instead of their own.

edit- Tom's little diatribe should read 39 American combat related killings...

[Blurred]

Give up already!!!!

It's been proven time and time again that logic doesn't work for the liberals. We've given them too much credit believing they can actually use reason in their "decision making process." read:herd mentality zombiness

[Superstar Punani]

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
That's just one American city out of hundreds that size that are about as deadly as the entire wartorn country of Iraq.
When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, consider the
following:

JONG!

http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2651724

[cumerritt]

can we get back to the stoke now?

[cj001f]

I love stupid trolls.

Germany Declared war on us.

N Korea Invaded S. Korea

Vietnam attacked us in the Gulf of Tonkin.

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JONG!

http://www.ifilm.com/viralvideo?ifilmid=2651724

Wow, thanks Punani, I've been looking for that Ashlee Simpson video everywhere!

[TomDubious]

Fail reading comprehension?

FDR…
Led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.

Truman...

Finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us.

John F. Kennedy…

Started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

[FNG]

FDR…
Led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
from 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
year.

Important to note that Germany and it's allies declared war on the United States. Japan, being one of it's allies, attacked us. Ergo, the Axis powers attacked us.

Truman...Finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per
year.

North Korea was a war on Communism. The war in Iraq is a war on terrorism. Both are wars on idealogies.

John F. Kennedy…Started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Again, Vietnam was a war on Communism.

Johnson...Turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
Vietnam never attacked us.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per
year.

Three times now you've inenvertantly compared the war in Iraq to the Vietnam & Korean wars as wars started without provocation against an enemy ideology.

Clinton...Went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Bosnia was committing ethnic clensing and genocide. President Bush is flat out ignoring the genocide going on right now in the Sudan. Which do you prefer?

In the two years since terrorists attacked the US > President Bush
has...Liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors inside the countries of Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Iran & North Korea now have nuclear weapons. Iraq is far from liberated. It is a broken state relying on the U.S. for legitimacy. When Iraq operates on its own, then call it a liberated "country".

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took democrat Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

That was also a domestic operation. Reno's intention was to arrest those in the compoud, not to kill them. That takes a bit longer and a bit of tact (obviously Reno botched the job). Do you really want the United States to employ the same military tactics home as it does abroad? If so, then watch your step for land mines.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find her Rose Law Firm billing
records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick, drowning Mary Jo. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!

You're comparing apples to oranges. Good job.

When you listed President Bush's resume, you listed a bunch of positive things. Why didn't you list any of those for any of the democratic presidents? Anyone here who thinks going to war has anything to do with being a democrat or a republican is just plain stupid. Keep this propaganda trash out of here.

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Keep this propaganda trash out of here.

Careful, that's not a pacifist comment, the terrorists may bukake all over you.

[TomDubious]

Anyone here who thinks going to war has anything to do with being a democrat or a republican is just plain stupid.

Good. The whole point of the thread.

[FNG]

Careful, that's not a pacifist comment, the terrorists may bukake all over you.

Hm...come to think of it, I could use a good bukake shower.

[crashnburn'd]

FDR…
Led us into World War II.
Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
from 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
year.

Learn your history fucktard. Japan attacked while Germany was developing nuclear weapons and bombers that were capable of one way trips up our asses.... Germany attacked: France, Poland, Russia, Great Britian, and on and on the list goes.

Truman...

Finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per
year.

The Korean War was fought by the United Fucking Nations.

John F. Kennedy…

Started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Wrong again Fucktard. Dwight D. Eisenhower gave the French $500 in military aid to fight against Ho Chi Mihn in 1953. By 1954, over 1 BILLION. He also sent the first military "advisers."

Johnson...

Turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
Vietnam never attacked us.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per
year.

Already in the war. Yes, Johnson made matters worse, but you cannot say he led the US in.

Clinton...

Went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by
Sudan and
did nothing.
Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

Yes, Clinton went to war in Bosnia, but guess who came later. Give you a hint, it ryhmes with ATO... You though, obviously have no idea what was going on . Offered Osama, yes. However can you honestly compare the 90's to the present day?

In the two years since terrorists attacked the US > President Bush
has...

Liberated two countries,
crushed the Taliban,
crippled al-Qaida,
put nuclear inspectors inside the countries of Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Crushed the Taliban - good. 4000 dead Afghan civilians who died because of fighting - not so good.

Got rid of Saddam - There are 15000 Iraqi civilians who if they were alive would tell you that they would still be alive if Saddam was in power.



[QUOTE=TomDubious]
The military morale is high.
QUOTE]

That's why my two friends are so damn excited they're going to fucking Iraq? Who knew?

Get your fucking facts straight jerk off, don't post this shit here. Also, I'd like to point out, I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, I don't like Bush and I equally don't like Kerry.


edit - it appears I'm a bit slooooooooooooooooooow.

[powslut]

i made a custom embroidered bukkake? trucker cap at the mall yesterday. chicks love it.

[Spats]

Iraq didn't attack the US either. Even the bipartisan 9-11 commission found that Al-Qaeda has and had nothing to do with Iraq.

By "crippled al-Qaeda" you mean "recruited tens of thousands of martyrs to Al-Qaeda's cause against the Great Satan USA".
By "captured a terrorist", you mean "removed a dictator which the CIA itself installed on the third try after two unsuccessful military coups"
By "evidence of chemical weapons" you mean "the chemical weapons and anthrax that we, the USA, sold to them to fight Iran in the 1980s, and looked the other way when Hussein used them on the Kurds".
By "take Iraq" and "destroy the Republican Guard" you mean "enter a military quagmire which is killing a US serviceman every day, and which even the Bush administration expects to continue indefinitely".
By "military morale is high" you mean "tours of duty are extended indefinitely to avoid the political disaster of a draft".

Your "logic" is deliberate lies, and you are a fool for believing and repeating them.

[doofdoof]

http://photomatt.net/dropbox/2004/04/bush-small.jpg



This is a collage of the 607 US soldiers killed so far .....

it would be a much higher resolution if they used the dead Iraqis

[trainnvain]

Well "Tom", it seems your copy 'n paste job is really getting some good support here, you history genius, you.

[Dexter Rutecki]

It's well over 1000 now, unfortunately. I'm sure GWB's WMD stockpile is about to be found.

Fail reading comprehension?

No, but you're getting an A in ignorant and stupid.

[Droopy]

you fools.... http://promo.mudhut.co.uk/NinjaTune/tvsheriff.asx


Everyone misses the point you know

[juicy]

I am dubious of TomDubious's logic. From informed comment a much different take.

If America were Iraq, What would it be Like?

September 22nd 2004

President Bush said Tuesday that the Iraqis are refuting the pessimists and implied that things are improving in that country.

What would America look like if it were in Iraq's current situation? The population of the US is over 11 times that of Iraq, so a lot of statistics would have to be multiplied by that number.

Thus, violence killed 300 Iraqis last week, the equivalent proportionately of 3,300 Americans. What if 3,300 Americans had died in car bombings, grenade and rocket attacks, machine gun spray, and aerial bombardment in the last week? That is a number greater than the deaths on September 11, and if America were Iraq, it would be an ongoing, weekly or monthly toll.

And what if those deaths occurred all over the country, including in the capital of Washington, DC, but mainly above the Mason Dixon line, in Boston, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco?

What if the grounds of the White House and the government buildings near the Mall were constantly taking mortar fire? What if almost nobody in the State Department at Foggy Bottom, the White House, or the Pentagon dared venture out of their buildings, and considered it dangerous to go over to Crystal City or Alexandria?

What if all the reporters for all the major television and print media were trapped in five-star hotels in Washington, DC and New York, unable to move more than a few blocks safely, and dependent on stringers to know what was happening in Oklahoma City and St. Louis? What if the only time they ventured into the Midwest was if they could be embedded in Army or National Guard units?

There are estimated to be some 25,000 guerrillas in Iraq engaged in concerted acts of violence. What if there were private armies totalling 275,000 men, armed with machine guns, assault rifles (legal again!), rocket-propelled grenades, and mortar launchers, hiding out in dangerous urban areas of cities all over the country? What if they completely controlled Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Denver and Omaha, such that local police and Federal troops could not go into those cities?

What if, during the past year, the Secretary of State (Aqilah Hashemi), the President (Izzedine Salim), and the Attorney General (Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim) had all been assassinated?

What if all the cities in the US were wracked by a crime wave, with thousands of murders, kidnappings, burglaries, and carjackings in every major city every year?

What if the Air Force routinely (I mean daily or weekly) bombed Billings, Montana, Flint, Michigan, Watts in Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Anacostia in Washington, DC, and other urban areas, attempting to target "safe houses" of "criminal gangs", but inevitably killing a lot of children and little old ladies?

What if, from time to time, the US Army besieged Virginia Beach, killing hundreds of armed members of the Christian Soldiers? What if entire platoons of the Christian Soldiers militia holed up in Arlington National Cemetery, and were bombarded by US Air Force warplanes daily, destroying thousands of graves and even pulverizing the Vietnam Memorial over on the Mall? What if the National Council of Churches had to call for a popular march of thousands of believers to converge on the National Cathedral to stop the US Army from demolishing it to get at a rogue band of the Timothy McVeigh Memorial Brigades?

What if there were virtually no commercial air traffic in the country? What if many roads were highly dangerous, especially Interstate 95 from Richmond to Washington, DC, and I-95 and I-91 up to Boston? If you got on I-95 anywhere along that over 500-mile stretch, you would risk being carjacked, kidnapped, or having your car sprayed with machine gun fire.

What if no one had electricity for much more than 10 hours a day, and often less? What if it went off at unpredictable times, causing factories to grind to a halt and air conditioning to fail in the middle of the summer in Houston and Miami? What if the Alaska pipeline were bombed and disabled at least monthly? What if unemployment hovered around 40%?

What if veterans of militia actions at Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing were brought in to run the government on the theory that you need a tough guy in these times of crisis?

What if municipal elections were cancelled and cliques close to the new "president" quietly installed in the statehouses as "governors?" What if several of these governors (especially of Montana and Wyoming) were assassinated soon after taking office or resigned when their children were taken hostage by guerrillas?

What if the leader of the European Union maintained that the citizens of the United States are, under these conditions, refuting pessimism and that freedom and democracy are just around the corner?

[jayfrizzo]

and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist.

[summit]

This thread is so amazingly stupid I don't even know where to start...

[Blurred]

Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist.

Either was Osama Bin Laden.

[MikeB]

Saddam Hussein was not a terrorist.

I'd consider Saddam Hussein a terrorist. Of course, most of his crimes committed against humanity occured while he was allied with the United States. The U.S. knew he was using chemical weapons (hell, they sold him much of it, as well as delivery systems, provided intel, etc...), yet continued their relationship. It's great that Bush always brings up the fact that Saddam murdered his own people, because most of those people died while Saddam was a key U.S. ally in the mideast... The U.S. also supplied funding and support to Osama bin Laden's group, but that's another story...

edit - politics suck, 'debating' about politics is a waste of time, fascist propaganda doesn't belong here

[Droopy]

you know what???

Start Rant:
Dont be so fucking naive, the whole state of american politics today is fucking scary. We (america) have our hands in everything. We put our nose where it doesnt fucking belong, and look what happens to us??? we get attacked by some crazy ass bastard living in a cave. We have created every problom we have faced over the 60 years. the unfortunate reality of the situation is that money = power. And who has the most money? answer: corporations... so who has the most power? Answer: corporations. Why are we as america putting our nose where it doesnt belong? The answer (in part) is big business. Either way we are fucked, and no one tells the truth about shit, everyone is so partisan they cant even see past their own fucking arguments, people walk around saying the most ridiculous shit just to defend the republican or the democratic position. As if either one of them is right, as if either one of them isnt controlled by the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of special interests and big business money they get each year. in 2001 alone drug companies alone spent 78.1 million lobbying. That’s just the drug companies, then there is firearm manufacturers, and the AARP and the labor unions, and the tobacco companies, and the tree huggers, and the oil companies. it’s a never ending cycle, for each lobbyist group there is another group that lobbies in the opposite direction and for Christ sake look outside you own argument to see the preposterousness of all of this
:End Rant

^^and watch that video i posted up there ^^