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    I'm thinking of getting into Nordic skiing. I'm a weekend warrior from the BA and I'm over the traffic on 80, IKON Pass lift lines, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I have a fair amount of experience resort skiing but I'm a total XC noob. I do enjoy the cardio aspect, though, as I do a lot of cycling (road and MTB). I just don't want to give up winter sports entirely. I'm thinking of starting out with the set up linked below. Any reason I shouldn't start with that gear? I'll probably just be hitting the trails in the California SNO-Parks at first with one or two hour excursions. I just need a decent all around set up.

    https://www.rei.com/product/224759/s...ntry-ski-boots

    https://www.rei.com/product/224757/s...olink-bindings

    Regarding ski length, I've read 15-20cm more than your height? Does this also apply to a quasi-beginner? The 185cm is only 7cm more than me. The 195cm is 17cm more. Any tips, advise, dos, don'ts, whatever would be great. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamburello Rouge View Post
    I'm thinking of getting into Nordic skiing. I'm a weekend warrior from the BA and I'm over the traffic on 80, IKON Pass lift lines, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, I have a fair amount of experience resort skiing but I'm a total XC noob. I do enjoy the cardio aspect, though, as I do a lot of cycling (road and MTB). I just don't want to give up winter sports entirely. I'm thinking of starting out with the set up linked below. Any reason I shouldn't start with that gear? I'll probably just be hitting the trails in the California SNO-Parks at first with one or two hour excursions. I just need a decent all around set up.

    https://www.rei.com/product/224759/s...ntry-ski-boots

    https://www.rei.com/product/224757/s...olink-bindings

    Regarding ski length, I've read 15-20cm more than your height? Does this also apply to a quasi-beginner? The 185cm is only 7cm more than me. The 195cm is 17cm more. Any tips, advise, dos, don'ts, whatever would be great. Thanks!
    I got those exact skis this year except with Combi boots so I can also use skate skis. Love them so far and got them for exactly the same reason. BA weekend warrior sick of 80 and lift lines. So far I have only taken them out at Royal Gorge though. I have the 175s but am 165 tall... Seem to work well enough but I am also a beginner.

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    I'm also using the Outpath skis with a different Solly boot, older version maybe? I too am a nordic noob, using them when I can't make the drive to tour or resort ski.

    Regarding length, there is a weight chart under the product specs. I'm on the 195 at 5'11" 190lbs and they feel right.

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    going nordic = going ghay?

    Quote Originally Posted by davjr96 View Post
    I got those exact skis this year except with Combi boots so I can also use skate skis. Love them so far and got them for exactly the same reason. BA weekend warrior sick of 80 and lift lines. So far I have only taken them out at Royal Gorge though. I have the 175s but am 165 tall... Seem to work well enough but I am also a beginner.
    Sorry, this was meant for Tamburello:

    I would consider some of the half edge type skis instead of the full metal edge, because if you’re gonna be in the track ever, there’s no need to carry around the extra weight of the tip and tail edge. Also, the tip and tail edge actually makes it harder to stay in the track I have had a pair of partial edge skis for over 30 years and I really don’t want the edge for how I use them, (which is basically tromping around the sagebrush).
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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    Sorry, this was meant for Tamburello:

    I would consider some of the half edge type skis instead of the full metal edge, because if you’re gonna be in the track ever, there’s no need to carry around the extra weight of the tip and tail edge. Also, the tip and tail edge actually makes it harder to stay in the track I have had a pair of partial edge skis for over 30 years and I really don’t want the edge for how I use them, (which is basically tromping around the sagebrush).
    Thanks for the response. So, you're saying something more like this, correct?

    https://www.rei.com/product/224869/s...olink-bindings

    According to the specs on REI, the wider skis with full edges are 3 oz. lighter per pair. I imagine that's incorrect. Any input on length? My height is 5'10" (178cm) and my weight is 180-ish lb. Either way, thanks again for the feedback!

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    Looking for combi boots for my daughter - as small as they make. I believe that's a size 30.

    Would you trust these?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/32588577381...lpIKbpCibb_KkM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamburello Rouge View Post
    Thanks for the response. So, you're saying something more like this, correct?

    https://www.rei.com/product/224869/s...olink-bindings

    According to the specs on REI, the wider skis with full edges are 3 oz. lighter per pair. I imagine that's incorrect. Any input on length? My height is 5'10" (178cm) and my weight is 180-ish lb. Either way, thanks again for the feedback!
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    Looking for combi boots for my daughter - as small as they make. I believe that's a size 30.

    Would you trust these?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/32588577381...lpIKbpCibb_KkM
    I mean for $35, why not? That said, I don’t have any information about your daughter. I mean if she’s a strong skate skier that’ll just be kind of OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamburello Rouge View Post
    Thanks for the response. So, you're saying something more like this, correct?

    https://www.rei.com/product/224869/s...olink-bindings

    According to the specs on REI, the wider skis with full edges are 3 oz. lighter per pair. I imagine that's incorrect. Any input on length? My height is 5'10" (178cm) and my weight is 180-ish lb. Either way, thanks again for the feedback!
    Realistically, where are you going to be skiing?

    The vast majority of people don't need metal edges at all because they are either skiing in groomed XC areas or meandering around flat enough terrain that an edge simply isn't necessary (unless you're on ice, you can still turn a plastic edged ski just fine even on fresh snow).

    And if you don't need the edge, its going to be so much more rewarding to be on lighter/faster gear.

    Also are you interested in skating? or just classic? Might be worth getting some rentals and playing around first. Unlike Alpine gear, rentals don't suck...you don't have anywhere near the boot fit issues and most places rent pretty decent skis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    I mean for $35, why not? That said, I don’t have any information about your daughter. I mean if she’s a strong skate skier that’ll just be kind of OK.
    She's 7. Strong at classic and just started skating this year. She's also small - 43lbs. Was thinking the cuff would help her a bit for skating. She won't fit in a skate boot for 3 more years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlesline View Post
    Realistically, where are you going to be skiing?
    From my initial post:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tamburello Rouge View Post
    I have a fair amount of experience resort skiing but I'm a total XC noob. I do enjoy the cardio aspect, though, as I do a lot of cycling (road and MTB). I'll probably just be hitting the trails in the California SNO-Parks at first with one or two hour excursions. I just need a decent all around set up.
    Quote Originally Posted by singlesline View Post
    The vast majority of people don't need metal edges at all because they are either skiing in groomed XC areas or meandering around flat enough terrain that an edge simply isn't necessary (unless you're on ice, you can still turn a plastic edged ski just fine even on fresh snow).

    And if you don't need the edge, its going to be so much more rewarding to be on lighter/faster gear.
    I don't know if there are groomed trails in the SNO-Parks, or not. I'm guessing not but maybe I don't need an edge either way. Maybe something like this would be sufficient:

    https://www.rei.com/product/224870/s...olink-bindings

    Quote Originally Posted by singlesline View Post
    Also are you interested in skating? or just classic? Might be worth getting some rentals and playing around first. Unlike Alpine gear, rentals don't suck...you don't have anywhere near the boot fit issues and most places rent pretty decent skis.
    Probably not interested in skating. Mostly classic XC. I might try renting. Thanks for the feedback.

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    Anyone try the Ski Trab skate skis? Mostly interested because they are flat/ bar back mount and I have relevant binders that are not slide on plate contraptions. You can get almost free new s-lab world cup, two bar link whatever boots and bindings. Totally relevant imo, everyone panicked because discontinued. The harder part is finding skis without mounting plates.

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    Rottefella Xplore update: I took them out today for 16k verts at Snowbasin. They did well! This set of Xplores is mounted to an old pair of skinny used-to-be-called-tele skis that I remain fond of, Swallow TR Alpines, 63-53-58, 210s of course, with an alpine camber:

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    Yeah, the ones on the left. Here's a close-up of the mount; notice that the quick-release mechanism allows a place to attach runaway straps.

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    Anyway, for turning... I like 'em. Look, these skis aren't for cranking through crud, or cranking through anything (they do powder though!) I was skiing groomers today (and what the groomers eventually turned into). Face it, no boots/skis kit that's compatible/appropriate for these bindings is going to doing serious ripping of any sort. But for a day at the Basin, these bindings felt right on for doing lots of turns, teles and parallels.

    The pivot and push-back (I used the "hard" flex plug today) made for a 3-pin with leather Asolos kind of turning flex. Which, really, I kind of miss (on moderate angle favorable snow anyway) ever since my various duckbill leathers all either broke, washed out, or got retired because they hurt too much. Are they "active"? Not at all; again, very 3-pin like. The additional resistance, compared to the default plug, is appreciated though.

    Torsionally? Quite good. I could feel the edge response. My Extremes pushed these same skis harder because those had stiffer uppers, and a stiff duckbill. On the other hand, my Asolo Summits had less stiff uppers and a less stiff duckbill; these (significantly lighter) boots with the Xplore connection definitely outperform those.

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    So it's a thumbs-up on Xplore from me; they stride beautifully (see my earlier post about a page back), and they turn nicely (for the kind of gear they are appropriate on).

    About the flex plugs: I said previously that I thought I'd be good with the hard plugs for all-around. I take that back, being on the hard plugs all day today. These are just right for a day of downhilling, but they're going to be a bit too much resistance for considerable striding. You can do some, though. The default plugs are going to be less ideal for doing turns, but they'll still do turns; all the torsional control is there regardless of the lesser amount of push-back. Would be nice to have a set of flex plugs in between the two, actually, oh well. Anyway, I can now see the possibility of switching out flex plugs on some tours, if there's going to be a change of theme for a mile or two of the tour. Which is fine, really, the plugs weigh almost nothing, and they can be switched quite easily.

    The biggest negative on these things is that they're stupid expensive, $250 retail, literally double the price of a set of NNN-BCs, or the racing version of NNN. And the binding doesn't even have any moving parts (aside from the lever that depresses the spring-loaded boot pins to release them from the binding). It's the same price as some full, dynamically releasable toe and heel, downhill bindings. It hardly makes sense. Even from a marketing standpoint... shouldn't they be concerned about establishing this thing as a somewhat popular standard, while competing with much cheaper 3-pins that lots of people's quivers already have an investment in? Anyway. I had a good day on them today at Basin.

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