PERSONS WHO ARE INADMISSIBLE TO CANADA

[mr_gyptian]

Including myself.


PERSONS WHO ARE INADMISSIBLE TO CANADA

Persons who have been convicted of a CRIMINAL OFFENCE in ANY COUNTRY may be INADMISSIBLE TO CANADA as a result of their criminal record. Even persons who do not require a Visa to enter Canada may still be refused permission to enter Canada if they are MEMBERS OF AN INADMISSIBLE CLASS.

INADMISSIBLE CLASSES:

Members of Inadmissible Classes include those who have been convicted of MINOR OFFENCES (including shoplifting, theft, assault, dangerous driving, unauthorized possession of a firearm, possession of illegal substances, etc.), or of INDICTABLE CRIMINAL OFFENCES (including assault with a deadly weapon, manslaughter, etc.). As well, those who have been convicted of DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED (DWI) are considered Members of an Inadmissible Class. Driving while under the influence of alcohol is regarded as an extremely serious offence in Canada.

Those who have received TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS (including parking/speeding tickets, etc.) and other minor violations (i.e. littering, etc.) most likely will NOT be prohibited from entering Canada. Similarly, those who have JUVENILE CONVICTIONS (convictions for crimes committed while under age 18) most likely will NOT be prohibited from entering Canada unless they could have been tried as an adult for their offences.

TEMPORARY RESIDENT PERMIT, APPROVALS OF REHABILITATION, AND PERMISSION TO RETURN TO CANADA:

Those who have been convicted of an offence IN CANADA who wish to return to Canada must first apply for a PARDON from the CLEMENCY AND PARDONS DIVISION OF THE NATIONAL PAROLE BOARD. A Pardon permanently erases the Canadian criminal record, and any consequences of inadmissibility resulting from it. Those unable to obtain a pardon may still apply for a TEMPORARY RESIDENT PERMIT. For more information on pardons, contact:

NATIONAL PAROLE BOARD,
Clemency and Pardons Division,
340 Laurier Avenue West,
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1A 0R1.

Those who have been convicted of an offence OUTSIDE CANADA, and have had 5 years elapse since the termination of the custodial portion (if any) of the sentence imposed (not the sentence served), may apply for a Minister's APPROVAL OF REHABILITATION. The Minister's Approval will permanently remove the inadmissibility caused by conviction.

If less than 5 years have elapsed, or if persons are only seeking entry to Canada for a single or limited period, then they may apply for a TEMPORARY RESIDENT PERMIT.

Those subject of a previous DEPORTATION ORDER FROM CANADA require PERMISSION TO RETURN TO CANADA before they can enter Canada. As well, those who have been subject of an EXCLUSION ORDER within the past 12 months require Permission to Return to Canada before they can re-enter Canada.

**NOTE: In general, applications for Minister's Permits, Approvals of Rehabilitation and Minister's Consent take into consideration the nature of the offenses committed by the applicant, the number of offenses on the applicant's record, the length of time since the last offense, reports from parole or probation officers, the purpose for which entry into Canada is sought, and the applicant's standing in the community.

APPLYING FOR A TEMPORARY RESIDENT PERMIT, APPROVAL OF REHABILITATION, OR PERMISSION TO RETURN TO CANADA:

Persons may apply for a Temporary Resident Permit, Approval of Rehabilitation, or Permission to Return to Canada either in Canada or at one these CANADIAN VISA OFFICES IN THE UNITED STATES:

The Canadian Consulate General in BUFFALO, NY
The Canadian Consulate General in NEW YORK, NY
The Canadian Consulate General in DETROIT, MI
The Canadian Consulate General in LOS ANGELES, CA
The Canadian Consulate General in SEATTLE, WA
**NOTE: Be sure to visit the website of the Canadian Visa Office that will be processing your application to confirm hours of operation, processing times, documents/forms required, and other instructions. Application Forms may be obtained from the above offices.

DOCUMENTATION THAT MAY BE REQUIRED BY A CANADIAN VISA OFFICE TO PROCESS TEMPORARY RESIDENT PERMIT OR APPROVAL OF REHABILITATION APPLICATIONS:

POLICE CERTIFICATES from the jurisdictions where the applicant has lived since his/her 18 birthday (or for the last 10 years).

THE APPLICANT'S OWN STATEMENT OF CIRCUMSTANCES leading up to his/her conviction.

COURT RECORDS relating to the applicant's conviction(s).

REPORTS OF PROBATION OR PAROLE OFFICERS.

A COPY OF THE STATUTE under which the applicant was convicted.

THREE LETTERS FROM PERSONS OF STANDING IN THE COMMUNITY who know the applicant personally, and who can attest to the applicant's rehabilitation.

[PlayHarder]

Pretty much the same in the other direction, although I've never been turned away. Customs agents can use their own discretion, to an extent.

[mr_gyptian]

by discretion do you mean they are wise to the ways of Ben Franklin or if you're a hot girl you get through?

I've already missed a bachelor party and stand to miss Whistler/Blackcomb with a free place to stay.

it is honestly a good decision for them not to let me in. The last time I was at W/B our Winnebago Warrior almost blew up like a meth lab.

[optics]

Two words: truck crossing.

[PlayHarder]

by discretion do you mean they are wise to the ways of Ben Franklin or if you're a hot girl you get through?

A weapons offense or violent crime will generally close the door, getting a DUI ten years ago or something minor as a kid usually won't keep you out. Depends on the mood of the customs agent.

[mr_gyptian]

yeah, 10 months is more my issue. additionally it's a long way to see how a border guard's mood is.

[PlayHarder]

yeah, 10 months is more my issue. additionally it's a long way to see how a border guard's mood is.

The only problem I've had crossing the border was less than a year after I got nailed blowing 0.09, since then - never been an issue. Sorry, dude - no real advice at this point.

[BakerBoy]

I got a DUI 4 years ago, and started getting turned away at the border couple years ago when I got my new drivers license. It seems in Washington State (not sure about other places), they put this little "F*" under restrictions (which is usually where CDL and needing glasses and whatnot goes), which means I have Financial Responsibility, which means I get to file SR-22's, which means the border people ask me about it. And of course, its for a DUI... Easiest ways to get around it -- don't drive yourself across, and get a passport. Tell them you lost your wallet with your ID in it.

[Buzzworthy]

They DID let ME into Quebec and back out in September, but not before the white room and going thru ALL my crap and a strip search. Worst thing I have even gone thru, especially cause they were speaking french and I dont know a freakin word of it.

So you can get in and out, just not easily. Of course, I was going for work purposes.

When did you see this and how long has this been in effect? What is the source?

Utah puts a "Number of Offenses: 1" or how ever many you had, have not dropped off your record, so that alerts all agencies to check the puter and see what is up. Love having my passport for this kind of thing.

[Arty50]

Easiest ways to get around it -- don't drive yourself across, and get a passport. Tell them you lost your wallet with your ID in it.

Yup, got a wet reckless 3 years ago. I went to W/B last year with no hassles. Of course, I flew in and used my Passport. From all the info I've been able to gather, you'll only get hassled if you try to drive across and show them your driver's license.

[mr_gyptian]

their consul.

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/can-am/...at=180&did=397

I think it's fucking hilarious. The best part is how I need to get "Three upstanding members of my community" to write me a letter attesting to my good standing.

I should hold a writing contest here. $50 to each of the top three.

I've got a passport and such. with everything computerized lately I'd think they wouldn't have a problem finding out about a DUI.

I got pulled over right after I got my DUI for going 38 in a 35(note to self White OJ edition Bronco is not a joke to Johnny Law). Didn't have insurance or registration. thought I was fucked and just got a warning. the cop said my registration and proof of insurance was in their database.

[The AD]

The other thing that could happen if you have a drunk driving conviction is they'll make you pay a fine. I got this from a website about crossing the Canadian border:

"DWI Conviction: Canadian authorities are reported to be refusing admission to drivers with a DWI conviction in the USA. Such records are immediately available on Canada Immigration computers and may show convictions as far back as 20 years ago. Those with such convictions may be able to get a waiver for up to 30 days visitation upon payment of a $200 (Canadian) fee. A single DWI conviction may be permanently expunged from the Canadian computers for payment of $400 (Canadian). Canadian officials are reported justifying the fees because they feel DWI is a serious crime and it is a way of keeping "undesirables" out of Canada. The law, which has been in effect since 1978, has not been evenly or consistently enforced. However, reports in October 1999 indicate more and more drivers with USA DWI conviction records are being refused admission to Canada without paying extra fees"

http://northgardeninn.com/NGI-Border-Crossing.htm

Seems like kind of a scam to me, but, hey, I guess they can do what they want. If their purpose it to keep "undesirables" out, they should keep them out, not let them buy their way in.

[optics]

I've got a passport and such. with everything computerized lately I'd think they wouldn't have a problem finding out about a DUI.

Every time I've been hassled, it was after I handed them a license. They've always punched it in to their computer and check records.

Every time I hand them a passport, they open it, close it, hand it back.

[BakerBoy]

Oh yeah, more funny shit about the whole "Applying for rehabilitation by the Canadian Government" and the "Temporary Resident Application" is that its $200 CND for a 90 day Temp. Res thing, and $200 CND just to APPLY for the application for rehabilitation, after which I believe its another $200 CND to get it done. I've got all the paper work around here somewhere. The whole being "rehabilitated" by the Canadian government makes me laugh everytime I even talk about it. It's nice to know that they don't have any sort of moral qualms about harboring terrorists, but they won't let me come into their country to spend my money for something I did 4+ years ago, in my own country.

On a good note, I just got my insurance renewal form in the mail, and I no longer have to file an SR-22. So I think I'll go and get myself a new license... Anything you can do to lower the number of "flags" they look for is a good idea.

You'd be surprised though Mr. G. They can't possibly run every single persons ID thru the data base, and the people at the truck crossings definitely just let people thru quicker.


edit: Snaked by The AD. I would say that what you quoted is pretty much spot-on.


There is so much you can do to not raise flags. No Rocket Boxes, no motor homes, no beat to shit cars, the exact location you're going and staying at, etc. The second they think they have a reason, they'll pull your ID on the computer. I'm just worried they'll do it again before the 5 years is up and I can try and get back it.

[Arty50]

They scanned my passport from what I recall. No problems. Just use a passport and you'll be fine.

[grrrr]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art/bushdui1.gif

"I'm sorry Mr. President. They don't think you're moral enough to go to Canada."

[bagtagley]

Heh. I got busted for posession IN Canada at the Canadian border, and still got in no problems the following day. Right before the guys found our stash in the car, the guy was giving me grief about a doob conviction I had my freshman year of college. Funny that the following day, they were still concerned with the freshman conviction, but not what they found the night before.

We typically at least got hassled at the smaller stations (Huntingdon is where we got snatched), but always went through smooth at the larger ones (Vancouver). The shittiest part about the day we got busted was that Canada had just beaten the US in Olympic Hockey. Apparently the customs agent wasn't a hockey fan.

[bigsugar]

On a sort of related note, the Canadian customs guys are on some kind of strike right now apparently. They are now asking every person that crosses their full arsenal of questions, and they only had one lane open. We tried to cross here in the Soo yesterday to go riding, It took 45 minutes (it usually takes about 5) So, yeah, that sucked.

[mr_gyptian]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art/bushdui1.gif

"I'm sorry Mr. President. They don't think you're moral enough to go to Canada."

heh, I wonder how long it took a lawyer to find the date discrepancy. How does it go? "I was born at night, just not last."


grrr, you live on an island outside of Seattle, right??

how much is the Boston Whaler ferry?

[dubu]

speaking of getting into canada, if you want to avoid hassles and smoke the herb or are around any sort of drugs. dich your wallet, clean you id with alcohol and put it in a clean plastic bag. They run ID's under a chemical detector some of the time. That is why some people get really hassled for no apparent reason..

[Zeedashbo]

I got a DUI 4 years ago, and started getting turned away at the border couple years ago when I got my new drivers license. It seems in Washington State (not sure about other places), they put this little "F*" under restrictions (which is usually where CDL and needing glasses and whatnot goes), which means I have Financial Responsibility, which means I get to file SR-22's, which means the border people ask me about it. And of course, its for a DUI... Easiest ways to get around it -- don't drive yourself across, and get a passport. Tell them you lost your wallet with your ID in it.

with my dui, who's gonna drive if we go up together? but the financial responsibility goes away in another year for ya.

anyway, the passport works like a charm. i've drove over myself a couple times no problem. i was really scared going to the summit in canada with joshbu. I kept telling myself "hitchiking back to spokane is gonna be a bitch."

[Blurred]

This is like being denied admission to the clinic passing out free rectal exams....

Let's invade those pussies and kill Alanis Morrisette already!!!

[Zeedashbo]

This is like being denied admission to the clinic passing out free rectal exams....

Let's invade those pussies and kill Alanis Morrisette already!!!

i'm going for terrance and phillip. those little bitches...

[snorkeldeep]

you just need a copy of "how aboot it, eh? for dummies"

[A-wreck]

passports vs. drivers license......


one of them contains a drivers license number (making it easy for them to get a driving record)

one of them does not have a drivers license number (making it harder for them to see a driving record)

I went to canada three weekends a month this past summer to my friends cottage. He has two DUI's and so do I. He has a passport and I have a state I.D. with a state I.D. number similar to my drivers license number. He drives while I ride shotgun. I get hassled for DUI's while riding shotgun while the driver doesn't even get a second glance from the little man in the booth.

Bottom line: get a passport and tell them you don't have any other form of I.D.