Bush OwNeriZeZ keRRy

[jayfrizzo]

Oh wayt, yeah he did.

What a fukkin festivel ov gat. i really reall y really want to be consrevative, both financially and gun-totingly, but the dude's a fucking boob. And the dems have now comandeered fiscal responsibility, much like they ganked environmental responsibility from the repubs.

Fuck 'em. More booz.

[fesser]

Yep, Bush definitely won this round.

[jibij]

Yup... I hear it's all over the internets!

[bdog]

Yep, Bush definitely won this round.

You must have watched a different debate.

[Lynx]

yeah, i love the internets too.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Yup... I hear it's all over the internets!

hahaha...I only caught about 30 seconds of this one, but I picked up on that. those internets are everywhere these days.

[kchri]

Bush invented the internets. He totally dominated in this debate! There is no question he is the leader for the next four years....He is so insightful and manhandled Kerry like the wimpy douche he is...I just wish he would have emphasized how much "hard work" it is in Iraq. That would have put the icing on the cake...

[Lynx]

and um....sure, bush definately held himself better than he has in the past, but i would not say he definately won. i think that falls again into what the individual believes in. like stem cell research and abortion rights.

the iraq shit is still just a bunch of name calling on both sides. but honestly...bush is NOT respected by the rest of the world. and thats a problem, no?

[watersnowdirt]

When Bush said "internets", I actually started to well up...with real tears. I still don't know if they were tears of despair or laughter.

What a doofus.

I went directly from listening to the debate to watching a special screening of Fahrenheit 911 followed by a Q&A with Lila Lipscomb, the mother in the film whose son died in Iraq. Suffice it to say, on my drive home, I went back and forth between inspiration and desperation. yowza, what a night.

[Arty50]

Now presenting the best post-debate interview in history:

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/01/asb.00.html

CNN NEWSNIGHT AARON BROWN
Analysis of First Presidential Debate

BROWN: During the conventions, we used this space to explore a different point of view, a contrarian point of view, if you will. It's safe to say there's frequently no more contrarian view than a cartoonist.

We're joined by Aaron McGruder. His cartoon, "The Boondocks," is syndicated most days in over 300 newspapers, but sometimes a few less, depending on the material.

Good to see you.

AARON MCGRUDER, CARTOONIST, "THE BOONDOCKS": Good to see you.

BROWN: All right. Two sentences: who won the debate? You're going to say this.

MCGRUDER: Kerry. He got his ass whooped.

BROWN: Who did?

MCGRUDER: Kerry. I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. George Bush.

BROWN: You set that whole line up, and then you blew it.

MCGRUDER: I did. No, it was -- it was a very clear victory.

You know, what bothers me about shows like this, and all the news shows, after Bush talks I hear all these smart people completely ignoring the elephant in the room. And the elephant in the room, which nobody wants to say, is that Bush is not a smart man. He can't articulate well. He doesn't speak in complete sentences.

BROWN: Well...

MCGRUDER: And everyone just ignores it, like that's OK.

BROWN: OK. So...

MCGRUDER: But he's really dumb.

BROWN: OK. That's a different thing. Let's say he is not articulate. And I think they would concede he's not the most articulate guy on the planet. It doesn't mean he doesn't have convictions. It doesn't mean he believes in some things. It doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. It just means he can't express himself.

MCGRUDER: But beliefs don't mean anything if you're stupid. And not only that, but he -- it's almost as though he's talking to the dumbest segment of society, whereas Kerry...

BROWN: Aaron, don't you think that's an incredibly arrogant way to look at the world?

MCGRUDER: It's -- you know, it's real, you know? It's just that nobody is saying the obvious, which is the man is not smart and he's the president.

BROWN: I wouldn't say that...

MCGRUDER: Everybody knows it, but nobody is saying it.

BROWN: What does that say, then, about the 52 or three or one, or maybe it's 49.5 tonight, percent of the country that not only believes he is smart enough to run the country now but should be the guy to run the country for the next four years?

MCGRUDER: I think they have been woefully misled. I think -- I think Americans have a natural inclination, like all people around the world, to believe that their government is not corrupt, that the people are fair and smart and they're not lying to them.

And history doesn't prove that out. And current events doesn't prove that out. The American people have been lied to, and it's at the point now where I think that that percentage of people simply are not interested in the truth. They don't want to go down the road the thought that the president, one, is not intelligent; and two, the people behind the president who are intelligent are deliberately lying and misleading the American people constantly.

BROWN: Let me see -- let me see how cynical you are.

MCGRUDER: OK.

BROWN: Do you believe that a Kerry presidency would be there -- would be more honest, or is this a corruption, in your view, of the entire establishment?

MCGRUDER: I -- I don't blame it -- I mean, to say the establishment is oversimplified. I think that the institution of journalism has failed in its responsibility to hold the government accountable. The government's doing what it's supposed to do when left unchecked.

I do think Kerry would be better than Bush. I think he would be more honest. I think he would be more intelligent. But that's -- everybody knows that already. That's not really in anyone's debate. It's just people have picked a side.

It's -- you know, it's like, you know -- it's the kind of weird God people in the middle of America, the people that live on the coasts fly over. We don't talk to those people. We don't understand those people, and they don't understand us.

But nobody just says the obvious, that their president can't articulate himself and is dumb. And it drives me nuts.

BROWN: I got all that.

MCGRUDER: There you go.

BROWN: Nice to meet you.

MCGRUDER: It is a pleasure. Thank you for having me on.

BROWN: Come back, too.

MCGRUDER: If you let me.

BROWN: I will. We're equal opportunity around here.

MCGRUDER: There you go.

BROWN: In every respect. Thank you.

[Lynx]

MCGRUDER: ........ I think that the institution of journalism has failed in its responsibility to hold the government accountable. The government's doing what it's supposed to do when left unchecked.

don't journalist have to take an oath that states they will report the ubiased truth and report on things the people need to know about? or something like that? whatever happened to that? where have the real journalists gone?

[BakerBoy]

don't journalist have to take an oath that states they will report the ubiased truth and report on things the people need to know about? or something like that? whatever happened to that? where have the real journalists gone?

They're waiting for you to apply...

[jibij]

where have the real journalists gone?

They were beat up and left for dead by roving packs of blow-dried boobs in the early 80's.
It's entertainment now, it's not news.

[365wp]

From the internets:

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@DocID=265

President Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business owner" under the Republican definition, based on his 2001 federal income tax returns. He reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise. However, 99.99% of Bush's total income came from other sources that year. (Bush also qualified as a "small business owner" in 2000 based on $314 of "business income," but not in 2002 and 2003 when he reported his timber income as "royalties" on a different tax schedule.)

[yogachik]

Only someone who has never been online would say "internets" and it led me down a thought process that was both enlightening and extremely scary. Think about it - our President has never been online. I mean, really think about that.

[Duker]

don't journalist have to take an oath that states they will report the ubiased truth and report on things the people need to know about? or something like that? whatever happened to that? where have the real journalists gone?

Actually Im studying to get my degree in journalism right now. No way in heck will I ever work for any major news outlet. basically its all owned by 5 companies and its all very corrupt. Has anyone heard whats been going on in the DR congon in the last 5 years? no. Journalism is a very very corrupt buisness. Thats why Im going to try and get a job someplace like Powder and stay out of it all.

[Schmear]

It's -- you know, it's like, you know -- it's the kind of weird God people in the middle of America, the people that live on the coasts fly over. We don't talk to those people. We don't understand those people, and they don't understand us.

That is a very telling observation.

[Schmear]

Only someone who has never been online would say "internets" and it led me down a thought process that was both enlightening and extremely scary. Think about it - our President has never been online. I mean, really think about that.

Or he just misspoke. Think about that.

[shamrockpow]

Only someone who has never been online would say "internets" and it led me down a thought process that was both enlightening and extremely scary. Think about it - our President has never been online. I mean, really think about that.

Or his handlers have told him that sounding "folksy" actually wins him more votes than it loses. Listen to his siblings talk. They were all raised under the same roof, by the same parents and servant staff, yet George is the only one with a really strong Texas drawl. Why is that?

And it is ridiculous that a man who graduated from an elite prep school, Yale, and has a Harvard MBA can't articulate himself without a script. As DL Hugley said last night: "It's not like he grew up speaking ebonics and went to Compton College"

PS: Kerry won, but Bush was much improved. I thought Kerry had much tougher questions and refused to steamroll Charlie Gibson so he could make his talking points which turned out to be a mistake. Seriously, I watched this thing on tape and Bush answered maybe 25% of the questions asked (by audience members or Gibson) directly, while Kerry was actually making an effort to occasionally respond to the question asked - still not a good showing, maybe 50-60% on-topic, but a hell of a lot better than GWB...

[The AD]

McGruder:
"You know, what bothers me about shows like this, and all the news shows, after Bush talks I hear all these smart people completely ignoring the elephant in the room. And the elephant in the room, which nobody wants to say, is that Bush is not a smart man. He can't articulate well. He doesn't speak in complete sentences."

I've been thinking the same thing. I couldn't believe when, after the first debate, Tom Brokaw said "well, there certainly wasn't any knockout punch. No clear winner." WTF was he watching? If that's arrogant on my part I guess I'm arrogant. The idea that it's o.k. to have a President who isn't very articulate or intelligent makes about as much sense as saying a Major League outfielder shouldn't need to be able to hit a baseball well.

[jibij]

Does anybody remember the old SNL bit where Ronald Reagan would be acting like his usual slow and folksy self around people, and then as soon as the door was shut and he was with his aides, he was sharp as a tack and forceful??

Makes me go "hmmmm".

found a link to the script:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86fmasterbrain.phtml
Pretty funny stuff but loses something without Phil Hartman's performance.

[mr_gyptian]

Oh wayt, yeah he did.

What a fukkin festivel ov gat. i really reall y really want to be consrevative, both financially and gun-totingly, but the dude's a fucking boob. And the dems have now comandeered fiscal responsibility, much like they ganked environmental responsibility from the repubs.

Fuck 'em. More booz.

Unfortunately the nexus of fiscal responsibility seems to lie with a Democrat President and a Republican House and Senate.

[fesser]

nexus of fiscal responsibility

nexus?
like internets and really hard work?

ani't it great to live in a country where being dumb is the nexus you look fer most in a president?

[mr_gyptian]

nexus?
like internets and really hard work?

ani't it great to live in a country where being dumb is the nexus you look fer most in a president?

nex·us ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nkss)
n. pl. nexus or nex·us·es
A means of connection; a link or tie: “this nexus between New York's... real-estate investors and its... politicians” (Wall Street Journal).
A connected series or group.
The core or center: “The real nexus of the money culture [was] Wall Street”


you're off to a great start. can't wait to see how dumb your 16th post is.

JONG

[fesser]

nex·us ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nkss)
n. pl. nexus or nex·us·es
A means of connection; a link or tie: “this nexus between New York's... real-estate investors and its... politicians” (Wall Street Journal).
A connected series or group.
The core or center: “The real nexus of the money culture [was] Wall Street”


you're off to a great start. can't wait to see how dumb your 16th post is.

JONG

So, kinda like "there weren't no nexus between WMDs and Saddam?"

or like "the original nexuses of why we went to war have changed?"
sorta flippy floppy like.


there, did i get it right?

look, i'm tryin' real hard to be dumb so that I can understand what all this really hard work is about.