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    Quote Originally Posted by Telenater
    But, is she a screamer or a moaner?
    Heh. I think history suggests she a screamer when she goes big...

    The real question is what exactly an "ash plume" could/would do to our snow situation?

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    I just saw on the news, the NOAA reports that with this northerly flow, the ash would come down here to Eugene.

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    Anyone ever spank a sweet piece of ash?
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    this guy's live blogging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmear
    D'oh! You quoted my grammar error before I could fix it!

    Anyway, I was fortunate to experience the 1980 eruption first-hand, so since then I've become a bit of a St. Helens nut.
    Just a St. Helen's nut? I'll bet there's plenty who beg to differ!

    Joshbu - by most accounts (and from what our resident expert Lane Meyer says), this should be somewhat of a moan.

    Steep - how can you have ash hit Eugene with a northerly flow if Mt. St. Helens is to the north? Is there a Eugene, Washington, or is it a jetstream coming from the north down towards the south?

    In all likelyhood, the ash will be carried (not flow, as ash doesn't flow - lava and pyroclastic flows flow, but ash is wind-carried for the most part) to the east or maybe towards the south. As such, Topeka (which had a barely discernable trace amount) had far more ash deposits from the first Mt. St. Helens eruption then Eugene (which had none).
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    I bet you can schralp the gnar gnar on wet volcanic ash!

    Volcanic Ashfall - How to be Prepared for an Ashfall
    -- How to protect your home, car, children, and pets --

    -- Washington State Military Department, Emergency Management Division, and the USGS Cascades Volcano Observatory, 1999

    What is Volcanic Ash ?

    Volcanic ash is rock that has been pulverized into dust or sand by volcanic activity. In very large eruptions, ash is accompanied by rocks having the weight and density of hailstones. Volcanic ash is hot near the volcano, but it is cool when it falls at greater distances. Ashfall blocks sunlight, reducing visibility and sometimes causing darkness. Ashfall can be accompanied by lightning.
    Fresh volcanic ash is gritty, abrasive, sometimes corrosive, and always unpleasant. Although ash is not highly toxic, it can trouble infants, the elderly and those with respiratory ailments. Small ash particles can abrade the front of the eye under windy and ashy conditions.

    Ash abrades and jams machinery. It contaminates and clogs ventilation, water supplies and drains. Ash also causes electrical short circuits -- in transmission lines (especially when wet), in computers, and in microelectronic devices. Power often goes out during and after ashfall. Long-term exposure to wet ash can corrode metal.

    Ash accumulates like heavy snowfall, but doesn't melt. The weight of ash can cause roofs to collapse. A one-inch layer of ash weighs 5-10 pounds per square foot when dry, but 10-15 pounds per square foot when wet. Wet ash is slippery. Ash resuspended by wind, and human activity can disrupt lives for months after an eruption.

    What to do in case of an ashfall
    GENERAL PRINCIPLES

    Know in advance what to expect and how to deal with it; that will make it manageable.
    In ashy areas, use dust masks and eye protection. If you don't have a dust mask, use a wet handkerchief.
    As much as possible, keep ash out of buildings, machinery, air and water supplies, downspouts, stormdrains, etc.
    Stay indoors to minimize exposure -- especially if you have respiratory ailments.
    Minimize travel -- driving in ash is hazardous to you and your car.
    Don't tie up phone line with non-emergency calls.
    Use your radio for information on the ashfall.

    What to do before an ashfall
    Whether in a car, at home, at work or play, you should always be prepared. Intermittent ashfall and resuspension of ash on the ground may continue for years.


    YOUR HOME
    Keep these items in your home in case of any natural hazards emergency:

    Extra dust masks.
    Enough non-perishable food for at least three days.
    Enough drinking water for at least three days (one gallon per person per day).
    Plastic wrap (to keep ash out of electronics).
    First aid kit and regular medications.
    Battery-operated radio with extra batteries.
    Lanterns or flashlights with extra batteries.
    Extra wood, if you have a fireplace or wood stove.
    Extra blankets and warm clothing.
    Cleaning supplies (broom, vacuum, shovels, etc.).
    Small amount of extra cash (ATM machines may not be working).

    YOUR CHILDREN

    Explain what a volcano is and what they should expect and do if ash falls.
    Know your school's emergency plan.
    Have quiet games and activities available.

    YOUR PETS

    Store extra food and drinking water.
    Keep extra medicine on hand.
    Keep your animals under cover, if possible.

    YOUR CAR

    Any vehicle can be considered a movable, second home. Always carry a few items in your vehicle in case of delays, emergencies, or mechanical failures.


    Dust masks and eye protection.
    Blankets and extra clothing.
    Emergency food and drinking water.
    General emergency supplies: first aid kit, flashlight, fire extinguisher, took lit, flares, matches, survival manual, etc.
    Waterproof tarp, heavy tow rope.
    Extra air and oil filters, extra oil, windshield wiper blades and windshield washer fluid.
    Cell phone with extra battery.

    What to do during and after an ashfall

    YOUR HOME

    Close doors, windows and dampers. Place damp towels at door thresholds and other draft sources; tape drafty windows.
    Dampen ash in yard and streets to reduce resuspension.
    Put stoppers in the tops of your drainpipes (at the gutters).
    Protect dust sensitive electronics.
    Since most roofs cannot support more than four inches of wet ash, keep roofs free of thick accumulation. Once ashfall stops, sweep or shovel ash from roofs and gutters. Wear your dust mask and use precaution on ladders and roofs.
    Remove outdoor clothing before entering a building. Brush, shake and pre-soak ashy clothing before washing.
    If there is ash in your water, let it settle and then use the clear water. In rare cases where there is a lot of ash in the water supply, do not use your dishwasher or washing machine.
    You may eat vegetables from the garden, but wash them first.
    Dust often using vacuum attachments rather than dust cloths, which may become abrasive.
    Use battery operated radio to receive information.

    YOUR CHILDREN

    Follow school's directions for care of children at school.
    Keep children indoors; discourage active play in dusty settings. Dust masks do not fit well on small children.

    YOUR PETS

    Keep pets indoors. If pets go out, brush or vacuum them before letting them indoors.
    Make sure livestock have clean food and water.
    Discourage active play in dusty settings.

    YOUR CAR

    If possible, do not drive; ash is harmful to vehicles.
    If you must drive, drive slowly, use headlights, and use ample windshield washer fluid.
    Change oil, oil filters, and airfilters frequently (every 50 to 100 miles in heavy dust, i.e., less than 50 feet visibility; every 500 to 1,000 miles in light dust).
    Do not drive without an air filter. If you cannot change the air filter, clean it by blowing air through from the inside out.
    If car stalls or brakes fail, push car to the side of the road to avoid collisions. Stay with your car.

    What to do during the clean up period
    Minimize driving and other activities that resuspend ash.
    Remove as much ash as you can from frequently used areas. Clean from the top down. Wear a dust mask.
    Prior to sweeping, dampen ash to ease removal. Be careful to not wash ash into drainpipes, sewers, storm drains, etc.
    Use water sparingly. Widespread use of water for clean-up may deplete public water supply.
    Maintain protection for dust-sensitive items (e.g., computers, machinery) until the environment is really ash-free.
    Seek advice from public officials regarding disposal of volcanic ash in your community.
    Wet ash can be slippery. Use caution when climbing on ladders and roofs.
    Establish childcare to assist parents involved in cleanup.

    For more information call:
    Washington State Emergency Management Division at (800) 562-6108, or visit our website at: www.wa.gov/wsem/

    U.S. Geological Survey at (360) 993-8900, or visit our website at: vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/

    Or call your local Emergency Management Office
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    I'm psyched. Should be cool to see. volcanos are cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubersheist
    Just a St. Helen's nut? I'll bet there's plenty who beg to differ!
    Huh? Me no get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmear
    Huh? Me no get.
    I think he's saying you're just a nut all-around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubersheist
    Just a St. Helen's nut? I'll bet there's plenty who beg to differ!

    Joshbu - by most accounts (and from what our resident expert Lane Meyer says), this should be somewhat of a moan.

    Steep - how can you have ash hit Eugene with a northerly flow if Mt. St. Helens is to the north? Is there a Eugene, Washington, or is it a jetstream coming from the north down towards the south?

    In all likelyhood, the ash will be carried (not flow, as ash doesn't flow - lava and pyroclastic flows flow, but ash is wind-carried for the most part) to the east or maybe towards the south. As such, Topeka (which had a barely discernable trace amount) had far more ash deposits from the first Mt. St. Helens eruption then Eugene (which had none).

    Northerly flow = from the north. IE air is moving south.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmear
    Huh? Me no get.

    Just randomly yanking your chain... I meant to put a winky thing like this - - after my post, but I hit the wrong smiley picture dealy-bob. Don't read into it, as there's nothing there.
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