some damn good IPA's out there

[Binky]

https://www.wired.com/2015/03/secret...-modern-marvel

And, I don’t live life afraid or wear a tinfoil (aluminum) hat; so, stop being such a pussy.

I expect several predictable replies.

[willywhit]

I've found that simply ignoring trolls like ichiwhateverthefuck let's the troll wither up and die by lack of food and oxygen. You don't need to defend the position because, as you stated, it turns into a retarded debate. You guys know your shit and this is a great thread with no back and forth about what's good and what's crap. Drink beer, share the stoke. I've even resigned myself to chilling on buttah's stuff like how much head to pour, what glass to use, etc. He can't help himself. ALL GOOD.
Working beer fests, pouring beer all day, you get a small percentage that wanna tech out and impress you with their vast knowledge. If I've got a line behind them, I just side bar them and hope they lose interest as I gently blow them off. sometimes social skillz are lacking, maybe they just need a FRIEND.

[willywhit]

oops wrong pic, but close. clearly not an IPA, but tasty when it's almost 60* in late november, aka yesterday.
we should get a thread going for TRs and beer shots. I'll dig up a few from last year. doing social media and bringing a beer with me to say, the top of wildcat to put up later on the website. tasty beer and a gorgeous backdrop. Whatcha think ?

[ichibaneye]

oops wrong pic, but close. clearly not an IPA, but tasty when it's almost 60* in late november, aka yesterday.
we should get a thread going for TRs and beer shots. I'll dig up a few from last year. doing social media and bringing a beer with me to say, the top of wildcat to put up later on the website. tasty beer and a gorgeous backdrop. Whatcha think ?

Great photo!

[ichibaneye]

This double IPA was very easy drinking. Plus it had a decent abv 9% and you've got to love those ibu's too coming in right at 90.

[MakersTeleMark]

Great photo ichiundies!

[My Pet Powder Goat]

I don't know which is better, glass or cans, but I love jalapeños chips.

[Game Over]

You can disagree but it's a fact. So if something is true and you don't agree great. But you've got a lot of self educating to do, science and beer wise. I'm not doing your homework for you either. Metals leech, change flavor profiles and much more. Not to mention aluminum is one major factor in contributing to Alzheimer's. But yeah.. It's not my opinion it is just the facts. So what the fuck ever to reality right. Oh..and just because a consensus of the herd FEELS one way still does not make something to be true. I didn't say fuck people who drink from cans maybe you're hurt for some reason and not thinking instead you're retracting... Maybe? Hell ...I drink some can bliss now and again myself because it's not in a fesh tap or glass. That being said I still look for the batches that have the least amount of time sitting in those cans. Don't hate the science or people who have studied it. Cheers and enjoy those beers.

Eek. This is concerning. Could you please post links to information that back up these claims? Most notably the leaching and Alzheimer/aluminum link. I'd love to get to the bottom of this issue.

[willywhit]

Eek. This is concerning. Could you please post links to information that back up these claims? Most notably the leaching and Alzheimer/aluminum link. I'd love to get to the bottom of this issue.

I googled some stuff. Binky posted those links, too.
I've heard the argument before. Don't waste your time. Cans are fine. if you're paranoid, get glass.

[Game Over]

I googled some stuff. Binky posted those links, too.
I've heard the argument before. Don't waste your time. Cans are fine. if you're paranoid, get glass.

I'm pretty well read on it also. I was curious of his source and/or if it was anything new. Although if it was something new I'd doubt I would have missed it.

FWIG the biggest beer killer is light. Cans do a much better job of keeping it out.

Then there is the footprint angle. Glass has a much higher footprint when shipping but low in the manufacturing. Aluminum is the direct opposite.

Personally I like cans because I can fit 100 of em in a recycling bag and that equates to $10 x4 (we can drop 4 bags at a time) vs 50 with bottles. We have a great program-> if I spend that money in a store that participates in the program in leu of just getting cash it's another 20%.

[FussyDutchman]

The biggest issues with cans is the liners are made with a substance that is not bpa free. As far as I know all brewers (craft or macro) are using lined cans these days, none are in straight aluminum. I have a message in to a local brewer I know who has their own canning line to confirm but from everything I've read, the amount of bpa leach is miniscule at most. Glass is expensive to buy and ship and everything else steep said above, cans are cheaper and a better vehicle for beer. If there were issues with cans leeching aluminum or any other foreign materials/chemical that could affect the product do you really think the craft brewers would risk tainting their products taste profile? The answer is NO.

[Game Over]

I was under the impression that the BPA scare turned out to be fear mongering

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorb.../#4bbb4eea6c20

[Binky]

One of my links dispells, completely, the myth about aluminum leaching...fyi

[Binky]

Beer, Laperle explained, is actually so mild that the can does not require a coating. He called beer a “nice oxygen scavenger,” describing how proteins in beer consume dissolved oxygen, keep it from accessing and corroding the aluminum. (It’s the same for orange juice, in which vitamin C consumes oxygen—which is why canners were able to package it so long ago.) It turns out that cans were made for beer, and beer was made for cans. In fact, the only reason beer cans have a coating at all is so that the carbon dioxide doesn’t escape at once.

[FussyDutchman]

I was under the impression that the BPA scare turned out to be fear mongering

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevorb.../#4bbb4eea6c20

I never saw that article but read another a while ago (WSJ or maybe NYT) which I will try to find that summarized bpa is likely not in the top 100 of health risks the average person is exposed to daily.

Edit: Not the article I was looking for but basically says the same thing.


http://www.motherjones.com/food/2015...ed-craft-beer/

[ichibaneye]

https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/...minum-dangers/

[stapes]

MPPG - what are your thoughts on that Two Juicy?

[Binky]

https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/...minum-dangers/

repeat: "proteins in beer consume dissolved oxygen, keep it from accessing and corroding the aluminum. (It’s the same for orange juice, in which vitamin C consumes oxygen—which is why canners were able to package it so long ago.) It turns out that cans were made for beer, and beer was made for cans."

[ichibaneye]

All Metals are reactive/active, glass is inert. So again one of these two is far superior to the other one concerning taste and containment. Fucking a for the science win!

[Peruvian]

All Metals are reactive/active, glass is inert. So again one of these two is far superior to the other one concerning taste and containment. Fucking a for the science win!

However glass let’s in light which has a very detrimental effect on beer’s flavor and aroma.

Oh and the beer never actually touches aluminum- see can liner discussion above.

[Game Over]

https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/...minum-dangers/

Gonna have to try harder. Edward Group is a well known quack who collaborates with Alex Jones. John Oliver tore him a new one.

http://time.com/4880191/john-oliver-...-week-tonight/

https://youtu.be/WyGq6cjcc3Q

[Game Over]

All Metals are reactive/active, glass is inert. So again one of these two is far superior to the other one concerning taste and containment. Fucking a for the science win!

You see son, there is this class of metals we call noble metals....

Also plenty of things will react with glass -> both bases and acids.

But to repeat what many others have said beer reacts with neither glass or aluminum.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

MPPG - what are your thoughts on that Two Juicy?

It's excellent but not 'world class'. I wouldn't exactly label it a NEIPA either even though they do on the can's label, It's a little too opaque and light bodied for that designation imo.
Overall, it's Very drinkable, but i didn't like it nearly as much on tap.



This bad boy is rather bready with a apricot, tropical finish, only compliant is its a little astringent both in presentation (smell) and finish

[t-the-east]

It's excellent but not 'world class'. I wouldn't exactly label it a NEIPA either even though they do on the can's label, It's a little too opaque and light bodied for that designation imo.
Overall, it's Very drinkable, but i didn't like it nearly as much on tap.



This bad boy is rather bready with a apricot, tropical finish, only compliant is its a little astringent both in presentation (smell) and finish

That Two Juicy is pretty damn similar to Sip of Sunshine to me... funny that they are made within feet of each other

[Binky]

All Metals are reactive/active, glass is inert. So again one of these two is far superior to the other one concerning taste and containment. Fucking a for the science win!