El Nino back?

[The AD]

Sounds like this coming winter could be an El Nino.
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2009/0...o-returns.html

[Gerome]

What awesome timing for a move to Tahoe next winter. Bring on the precipitation!

Too bad weather forcasts are so poor and impossible to plan on though. La Nina, bla bla, el nino bla bla. Even this hack says some models are showing la nada and he says don't buy a season pass for pnw? I've had just as much fun in the past couple of Tahoe drought years as previous years. More snow is just nicer on the equipment.

[LightRanger]

Depends on where you are whether this is good.

Even if we are going into an El Nino year, historically the transition year out of droughts in CA has still been dry.

[fish]

i saw this on the news last night and i'm trying not to think about it... considering I just moved to washington and el nino = dry winter. i remember 2004 was el nino and it was so bad that a bunch of ski areas let people use their passes for 2005

[f2f]

in before "that's spanish for 'the nino'"!

ha!

[The AD]

Even this hack says some models are showing la nada and he says don't buy a season pass for pnw?

To be fair he's saying don't buy a Snoqualmie season pass. Snoqualmie Pass is at very low elevation, so a warmer than normal year will affect them more than some other hills.

[Scotsman50]

I agree, please do not buy a Crystal season pass or waste money on a day ticket on the weekends. Crystal will be terrible this coming season due to El Nino.
I suggest Alta or Snowbird, or Colorado.
No need to thank me, altruism has it's own rewards.

[Vets]

[FlyinGuitar08]

it certainly cant be any worse than "mild la nina" in maryland last winter. we had one accumulating storm all winter.

[Ottime]

I've had just as much fun in the past couple of Tahoe drought years as previous years. More snow is just nicer on the equipment.

I hit rocks no matter how deep the snow.

Best thing about thin years is everyone gives up on winter and stays in the city. fewer tourist on the hill as well. So when the powder days come, it is fresh tracks all day. So a bad year at KW is 300". I grew up in upstate NY where a very good year would be 200".

I actually really like early season/ lowtide at KW. Some areas a full of sweet doubles, billygoats and chutes, that just fill in later in the season and become a wide open face.

As for the topic. Too early to tell is what is the common response. But we are have a moist June. That is good for the water at least.

[Jer]

I predict snow at some point.

[huckster989]

I did some googling and found that el nino and la nina have little to no effect on so-cal, I was kinda hoping it might mean a good snow year for us down in the "beach" communities heres crossing my fingers.

[kona12]

I hit rocks no matter how deep the snow.

As for the topic. Too early to tell is what is the common response. But we are have a moist June. That is good for the water at least.

This June has been nuts down here in the valley. I can't remember a June this mild EVER!

[imadoofus]

Three interesting links. El Nino/La Nina correlations to ski resorts west of the rockies.

http://webpages.charter.net/tcrocker818/El_Nino.htm
http://webpages.charter.net/tcrocker818/La_Nina.htm
http://webpages.charter.net/tcrocker...tral_areas.htm

lake effect areas then this year?
which also says that LL might be the place to be a year from now.

[imadoofus]

I did some googling and found that el nino and la nina have little to no effect on so-cal, I was kinda hoping it might mean a good snow year for us down in the "beach" communities heres crossing my fingers.

as I understand strong el nino years are usually good for the eastern sierras

[LightRanger]

I did some googling and found that el nino and la nina have little to no effect on so-cal, I was kinda hoping it might mean a good snow year for us down in the "beach" communities heres crossing my fingers.

Tell that to the Winters of 1997-1998 and 1982-1983.




Ottime, you're right to a certain extent about the water. And at least things aren't burning yet, for the most part.

[skiing-in-jackson]

What does this mean for Jackson Hole? I can't remember.

[The AD]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...an_weather.png

[PowTrees]

Looking at those 2 pictures, definitely makes me think we'll be wishing for the La Nina around Vail (instead of El Nino), but weather is so random around here, you never know!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...an_weather.png

[The AD]

El Nino years are usually good years to schedule a trip to Taos.

[panchosdad]

What does this mean for Jackson Hole? I can't remember.

Did you read the links?

Jackson moderately correlated with La Nina, Teton Pass and Targhee less so. The data is so scattered though that anything is possible. 96-97 was a neutral ENSO year, transitioning from La Nina to El nino.

[DoWork]

Sounds like this coming winter could be an El Nino.
http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2009/0...o-returns.html

GET YOUR TITTIES SOAKIN'!!!!!

[lionelhutz]

1. El Nino will be making a comeback.
2. Much of the effect of el nino for the west is contingent on the strength of the el nino and the location of SST (sea surfact temp) anomaly. At this point it's too early to tell what the set up will mean for the west coast.
3. The effect of the nino for the rest of the country is muted. East coast weather is a little more dependent on the PDO, the AO and the NAO. However weak el nino's following waning la nina's where there has been a cool and wet summer (on track for that so far) have been COLD winters on the east coast.
4. Utah is the least affected by change from a nina regime to a nino regime.

[skimoore]

I guarantee El Nino will be back, because I'll be gone by next season...so Tahoe is sure to have an epic year. Thank me later.

[imadoofus]

2. Much of the effect of el nino for the west is contingent on the strength of the el nino and the location of SST (sea surfact temp) anomaly. At this point it's too early to tell what the set up will mean for the west coast.

Everything is better with examples.
What does SST location typically mean for snowfall?
Am i right in assuming that resorts to the SW (say Tahoe) are usually more favored than the resorts in WA/BC?
Can you explain?