WTF?

**Superstar Punani** · 08-30-2004, 09:38 PM

No comment.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/me...entagon121.swf

**Sublime** · 08-30-2004, 09:45 PM

That is the best thing i've seen in a long time.

**Theodore** · 08-30-2004, 11:09 PM

Interesting.... I know you can show certain things to make it look like it happened like you want it too, but it does open the mind and a few doors to some posibilities.

**FNG** · 08-31-2004, 12:18 AM

izn't zat vierd?

**snowsprite** · 08-31-2004, 06:48 AM

I never thought our government would be capable of giving us doctored up information or anything like that.

Could be real, could be crap. Really gives one pause though.
Sprite

**train07** · 09-01-2004, 07:27 PM

And we've never actually walked on the moon, either.

Okay, I'm a neophyte on the computer. How can I copy/attach this and email it to a buddy, who I think is also on dial up like myself. He keeps sending me shit that takes forever to download even after I told him to get me off his fukn mailing list.
So I've watched this vid and gone to the obvious file function hoping to copy and attach and email....it's not letting me copy. Again, sorry, I rarely have patience to spend the time on the computer but I'd love to fuk up my buddy's morning email check....and perhaps educate him some as to what the "real " story is. Not that this doesn't stir an unusual and unexpected interest....
No doubt the attach thing is so simple...what's the trick.
thanks.

**phUnk** · 09-01-2004, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by train07
I wonder if I could just copy the URL from Punani's post and just paste it into an email to my buddy?

**train07** · 09-02-2004, 04:38 AM

Thanks Phunk dude. I'm on it..I think.

**CUBUCK** · 09-02-2004, 09:39 AM

Pretty cool the way it was done. Not much of a conspiracy person myself. I think if this had real merit network news would be all over it

**FNG** · 09-02-2004, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by CUBUCK
Pretty cool the way it was done. Not much of a conspiracy person myself. I think if this had real merit network news would be all over it

...rrrriiiiigggghhhhttt...

**phUnk** · 09-03-2004, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by CUBUCK
I think if this had real merit network news would be all over it

I haven't seen my tinfoil hat in a while, but I think now is the worst time for that kind of attitude.

**FNG** · 09-04-2004, 12:09 AM

only a news network like FOX could cover something as legit as that.

**The AD** · 09-04-2004, 03:27 PM

They make a big deal about the FBI confiscating all the tape from cameras that may have been pointing at the Pentagon or saw the approaching aircraft. So, big deal. Why would this suggest they were covering anything up? I'm sure they would take the tapes to investigate even if this was an accidental plane crash. I wonder if the conspiracy guys have even attempted to file a FOIA request to get any of the tapes released?

The fact that a small hole was punched in the building isn't hard to believe either. The plane would have hit the building and the wings and tail would have sheared off AND burned up due to all the fuel. The other aircraft crash photos they show are sort of a red herring because probably all of them are incidents that either occurred on the ground or on takeoff or landing where the aircraft is going way, way slower.

I think the pilot got lucky to hit the building as accurately as he did without crashing into the ground first, but it isn't that hard to believe.

**pointedem** · 09-04-2004, 05:53 PM

I have a good question:

If AA flight 77 did not in fact hit the pentagon, where did it go?

AA flight 77 + 2 F16's + 1 Big ass ocean.....

What gets me is how incredbly little the general public will ever know about all the happenings of the day ( and events of the past couple years)

Press releases = propaganda.

**iceman** · 09-05-2004, 12:21 PM

I was talking to a guy yesterday who works for a paving company that one week prior to the crash had pave a helipad directly in front of where the crash happened, He worked on the project and said that they had to go back and redo it because the plane skipped off the pad and totally fucked it up. So throw that it in the mix, for what it's worth.

**dipstik** · 09-05-2004, 01:49 PM

Its amazing how stupid people are. They don't believe what witnesses, airlines, and the government say, but they believe some retard on the internet that made a movie and didn't present any real facts or tear down any arguements. He just took quotes out of context and gave his uneducated assumptions of what he thinks happens to a plane when it crashes.

Here is the full quote that was in the movie:

"I was right underneath the plane,' said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. 'I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles,' said Milburn. 'It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion"

They just chose to use the last sentence.

There are also many witnesses that said what they saw was a plane:

"'I was going up Interstate 395, up Washington Boulevard, listening to the radio, to the news, to WTOP, and from my left side, I don't know whether I saw or heard it first -- this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old [John] O'Keefe"

How can you explain all the plane wreckage in the pentagon if it was hit by a missle?

^wheel

^ landing gear

^ aircraft fuselage

Some other interesting quotes:

"If you’re going to doctor evidence, do it right: Eyewitness accounts say the plane hit from 45 degrees to the side. Adjust the silhouettes properly, and fix the parallax effect in the second photo. The plane fits the impact area pretty well: Don't look at the collapsed upper floors, but at the wider swatch knocked out of the ground floor. I would expect the wings, being weaker than the building, to collapse on the way in. But with no previous crashes of the sort to guide us, we can't possibly predict what should have happened. If there's anything we learned that day, it's that we are poor judges of what is and isn't possible."

"More importantly, the question focuses on the plane’s size and weight, making it sound extraordinarily heavy, but leaves out the size and weight of the Pentagon – America’s largest office building with three times the floor space of the Empire State Building - as well as the difference in relative stiffness and energy absorption between a building and an airplane. Each side of the Pentagon contains over 100,000 tons of Potomac sand mixed into the steel-reinforced concrete under its limestome facade. There are nearly 10,000 concrete piles anchoring each side of the building. And in the wake of bombings in Oklahoma City and Saudi Arabia, that portion of the Pentagon had just been reinforced with a computationally modeled lattice of steel tubes designed to prevent it from collapsing after an explosion.

By contrast, the plane is only 100 tons of custom alloys stretched thin enough to fly. It’s not like a giant bullet; more like a giant racing bike. Even so, the plane knocked down 10,000 tons of building material - 100 times its own weight - in the crash and subsequent collapse. Another 57,000 tons of the Pentagon were damaged badly enough to be torn down. The Brobdingnagian scale of the Pentagon makes the total area of damage seem small, but it would hold several Silicon Valley office buildings, or an airport terminal. "

But I guess it makes more sense that the Government is in on a big conspiracy and they painted a missle to look like an AA plane, then flew it into the pentagon.

Then they erased all the witnesses memory and told them to say they saw a plane fly into the Pentagon, ala Men in Black.

After that, they planted plane debris in the pentagon and docotored a bunch of photos to hide the fact that they blew up a small portion of the pentagon.

That totally makes sense.

Anyone see pics of flight 93? It left a small hole in the ground. That was it, hardly any wreckage. Thats because when a plane flying at 300 mph with full tanks of gas crashes, it blows up. This is not like a car crash. People are ignorant and don't really know much about planes. They have this idea in their head of what a plane crash should look like, and if it doesn't look like it does in the movies, then its a vast conspiracy.

Total horseshit, and totally disrespectful to the victims.

**iceman** · 09-05-2004, 02:38 PM

Nice job, dipstik.

**Theodore** · 09-05-2004, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by iceman
Nice job, dipstik.

Is that a compliment??

Conspiracy-wise, I took it more as a cover up of a terrorist missile attack than a US attack on itself. Trying to keep it quiet in an effort to keep the country a little calmer.

**The AD** · 09-05-2004, 05:11 PM

About the missile comments. How many people are used to a commercial plane flying a hundred feet about the ground at 500 mph? No one. The airplane is going to sound different than normal and it's going to be flying way faster than people are used to seeing. People know missiles are fast so jump to the conclusion it was a missile.

And, yeah, missiles don't have landing gear, so explain the photos dipstik posted showing landing gear wreckage if it was a missile.