Binding Mount Paper Templates

[Aldburg]

Any chance we will get the Tyrolia adrenalin template up? Have to go with Tyrolia's binding because I only ride a DIN of 6.

[LC]

Anybody get the new duke epf? Send it to to jondrums so he can make a template

Just got the new Sport Conrad catalogue, which says the width has increased from 36mm to 46mm.

[Bird Blaster]

+1 for awesome!!! thanks gregL and Jondrums!!!

[ecskier7]

Gaurdian template is finally up. Thanks to gregL for measuring his jig. He reports that he may not have been able to measure it that well, so can people please check and double check this template before using it?

Ill give it a try within the next week. Hopefully it turns out good.
Edit:Scaling is off on the heel by a decent amount and only off by a little on the toe. I would not recommend using the template.

[GoEhuge]

Just used this thread to guide me through my first 2 mounts this past weekend. AWESOME. Saved me $140 ($70/mount in the Boston area) while getting me super stoked for the season.

Only surprise I had to deal with was the filing down of the screw hole volcanos. Once I figured that out, it was cake.

Thanks Jondrums!

It has been said before.... but WHY CAN'T WE GET A STICKY ON THIS?!?!? I legit had to google search to drag this thread up.

[jondrums]

Somebody please help on the Gaurdian template. I don't have a jig or the bindings themselves. If anyone can check it and post the measurements, I'll update it

[Dee Hubbs]

I'll take my digital callipers to the shop tomorrow and make some measurements for you.

[Bobcat Sig]

Since this seems to be the defacto thread for questions; I have a quick one.

For ON3Ps and their carbon stringers (Vicik, specifically), will I want the 3.5 bit for mounting SollyFit plates?

[Bird Blaster]

Since this seems to be the defacto thread for questions; I have a quick one.

For ON3Ps and their carbon stringers (Vicik, specifically), will I want the 3.5 bit for mounting SollyFit plates?

I would use whatever the ski manufacturer suggests

[Choucas]

Most useful thread ever. Printed them on clear sheets. Simple to align. Saves me time, effort, and $. Many thanks.

[Dee Hubbs]

Here are my measurements of the Guardian jig. I also sent you a PM incase you have any questions for me.

[Bird Blaster]

Awesome!

[ecskier7]

^^Thank you very much I will check to see how well it works as soon as the new template is up.

[Dude Bro]

Thanks again Jondrums another successful solly mount

[jondrums]

The Guardian template is updated based on the image above. The old template was off by only a little.

Whoever checks, please carefully check the BSL location, because that isn't on the image above, so its still set where GregL measured it.

[ecskier7]

Gaurdain/Tracker template is $$. Thanks again.

Ill post some pics of the finished mount tomorrow.

[Canada Guy]

I was marking out my topsheets for a pair of Barons last night using the paper template and for some reason the spacing between the holes for the plate at the rear of the binding was off by a few mm lengthwise. I.e the holes for the rear of the plate on the template were too close to the holes at the front if that makes sense. I don't think it was an issue with print scaling since the width of the holes for the plate was spot on. The other 5 holes for the front seemed to line up perfectly perfect as well.

A few mm probably isn't the end of the world, but with inserts I think it would prevent the screws from sitting flush with the plate and the binding would probably bind when switching from ski to tour mode. With normal screws I think the screw would end op going in cockeyed at best, and they would probably still bind.

In the end I dug out a template that came with a pair of Dukes and all was good. I'm still wondering if anyone else has had this issue or did I just make a stupid fuckup that I'm somehow missing?

[jondrums]

^^^ unless marker changed the design (doubtful) you did something wrong. more than 1000 people (seriously) have mounted duke/barons with this template.

[Dee Hubbs]

What do you need for BSL measurement on the Guardian? I can take a picture of the jig tomorrow.

[Canada Guy]

^^^ unless marker changed the design (doubtful) you did something wrong. more than 1000 people (seriously) have mounted duke/barons with this template.

That's what I figured, there was no way I could be the only one that had a problem with the template. I tried reprinting and things came out correctly. I must have screwed up the scaling on just the heels when I printed a batch of templates.

[huhh]

I find it easier to drill the toe and heal first two holes with the paper template, then use the binding to mark the other holes.

[gregL]

Scaling is off on the heel by a decent amount and only off by a little on the toe. I would not recommend using the template.

Sorry for any inconvenience, ecskier7, I used a BIC pen to mark the holes using the jig, and it's a bit smaller in diameter than a bit, so a little wiggle room . . .

[Dee Hubbs]

From the centre of the rear toe holes to the BSL markings are....
109mm to 265 BSL (small)
114mm to 275 BSL
119mm to 285 BSL
124mm to 295 BSL
129mm to 305 BSL
134mm to 315 BSL (large)
139mm to 325 BSL
Etc.

[AlpiNord]

From our weblog tips:

Printing & Scaling: Accuracy is very important and the first step to verify printed templates is to check their relative scale and see how the actual bindings sit on the template to visually see if the holes align.





Check to see if the template has any scale or a dimension you can check with a ruler. Often the output from a printer can be slightly off for a variety of reasons. Scaling and reprinting may be necessary multiple times until you get it just right. If you cannot adjust the printing scale with your operating system or printing software, you may need to incorporate the use of graphics software that allows you to resize images and PDFs as needed before printing.




In the example above, the original print was off (too big) by 1mm in 200mm, or 0.5%. Since we needed to decrease the size of the print, we scaled the image 99.5% (199mm/200mm) to get the accurate result. If we needed to increase the output the same 0.5%, then we would need to set the printing scale at 100.5% (200mm/199mm).
For many the 0.5% discrepancy may be just fine, but if there are several layout, drilling and mounting steps off by 0.5% each, it’s possible to be off by a couple millimeters. On the other hand, sometimes minute errors cancel each other out and you can end up with dead on results despite the relative inaccuracies and many bindings do have built in adjust-ability. Regardless, it is best to be as accurate (especially for AT tech bindings) as you can with each step while also realizing this is not heart surgery and that these tolerances may actually be tighter than some shops and their binding mount jigs.


Feeler, kinda: When I read about scaling issues, it brings up the idea I've been kicking around of leveraging my CAD software and wide format printer to offer a template printing service. With an 18" wide sheet a pair or two of one page templates by BSL could be printed. But then I can see all of the variables, time and expense and still more problems with little benefit. Is there a real need?

[hick]

Another money Tracker/Guardian mount. Jondrums, I've lost track of how many six packs I owe you for starting and keeping this thread updated. Thanks a ton!