Intuition liners

[burrito]

has anyone ever fucked a set of intuition liners up baking them?

I've done one home oven bake. One liner molded fine, the other needed some heat gun work afterward due to a weird toe wrinkle. As long as you don't melt or burn the liners, you can always redo a mold if something goes wrong.

[iriponsnow]

in the oven, yes.

[Rossymcg]

ever?

personally ever. everyone one knows someone, but 1st hand story is required.
ive gotta mate who's a serial midget shagger

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[XXX-er]

Shag just one midget eh ?

I paid Tom at Intuition 50$ to do the fitting after buying the liners and i don't regret spending that $$ cuz thats all he does, I know he put me in the right liner and I know he did it right

[skithewest]

has anyone ever fucked a set of intuition liners up baking them?

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Define fucking up.

Too long in the oven is a big one for home fits. That aside, toe wrinkles, heel wrinkles, funny business around where the overlap starts are typical.

All issues you're going to have doing a home fit, and probably even in a shop if the fit is particularly tight.

You can remold/heat gun/etc many times, as long as you're careful. The liner won't fall apart unless you bake it for hours.

[Rossymcg]

Define fucking up.

Too long in the oven is a big one for home fits. That aside, toe wrinkles, heel wrinkles, funny business around where the overlap starts are typical.

All issues you're going to have doing a home fit, and probably even in a shop if the fit is particularly tight.

You can remold/heat gun/etc many times, as long as you're careful. The liner won't fall apart unless you bake it for hours.

fuck up as in give them to the dog to chew on.
so basically they're pretty hard to fully fuck up.

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[FlimFlamvanHam]

has anyone ever fucked a set of intuition liners up baking them?

Yes. It's easier to not fuck them up than fuck them up. But overheating them will fuck them up.

Preheat oven for a long while at 240. Turn off and in goes liner 1. After 8 to 12 mins, depending on liner, should be nice and soft and pretty warm to touch. Repeat for other foot.

I've def heated to to high a temp multiple times (my oven is old now and thermometer is not so good it seems): the liner is hot to touch; very hot to put on foot; it's shrunk = it's salvageable but so far below optimal. The wraps fair worse than the tongue liners when you overheat them.

[bendtheski]

Overheating, and/or too many heatings are kind of my thing. My last fuck up set me back an additional $120 on my Krypton IDs, but the powerwraps I got right, and have been rock solid for 3 seasons, and probably good for another 3.


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[Rossymcg]

why bake instead of the recommended rice method? seems less to fuck up

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[bendtheski]

why bake instead of the recommended rice method? seems less to fuck up

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IME the rice sock heat doesn’t heat the liner all the way through, so maybe not molded as well to both your foot and the inside of your shell. A lot harder to fuck up though. Intuition also says you can use them un-molded, and the liner will eventually mold, but I wouldn’t have been able to get the things on un-molded, much less ski in them.


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[Rossymcg]

i fucked them up backing!!!

then i ordered a new pair and fucked them up. then i tried to immediatly rebake them and then it was all to hot and i fucked up my big toe, with blisters and lost skin and a flesh wound and no skiboots for 2weeks.

talk me through the mistake, too hot in the oven/too long in the oven or something else?

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[gramboh]

Shag just one midget eh ?

I paid Tom at Intuition 50$ to do the fitting after buying the liners and i don't regret spending that $$ cuz thats all he does, I know he put me in the right liner and I know he did it right

Tom has finally raised his prices a bunch in the last year or two and has a streamlined website/workflow setup now. I told him 3 years ago on my last new setup that he should double his rates as he was already booked out off his reputation and deserved to be well compensated! I needed some touch up work on my boots this fall and he sorted em nicely.

[XXX-er]

well exactly ^^ I'm not in Vangroovy so its more of a hassle but i still consider it worth the time & $$$

I havent been there i awhile, so is Tom still doing it out of the Intuition outlet does he have a website ?

IME they did nothing but liners, they got all the liners in stock, they know which liner is right for your boot/ your foot which are the experience factors you can't get on-line which contribute to fit & longer life of the liner without packing out

[Rossymcg]

That sounds like a snowball of errors. Bet you wanted to punch yourself in the face

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[DGamms]

I feel like we have a bunch of ski quiver threads going…

But let’s be honest. On an average ski day, your perfectly matched boot shell + liner combo probably has the biggest performance/enjoyment effect. This is assuming that the ski/binding combo you are using is reasonably appropriate for the task at hand of course (a 10hr uphill ski tour vs a day of 10 lift-accessed laps of bashing resort chunder require different skis/bindings for sure).

Do we need to start a “Show me Yur Liner Quiver” thread?

I ordered some Power Wrap+ 27s for Hawx Ultra 120 S 26.5s. Gonna see if I can home heat/mold 10lbs of sugar into a 5lbs sack.

[old goat]

I have a decent oven--Thermador electric. I set it for 225 and put a Texas-crutched brisket and a temp probes attached to a wireless sender so I could keep and eye on the oven and meat temp. I was surprised at how much the oven temp varied as it cycled on and off--nearly 50 degrees. Another thing--how fast the oven temp drops after you turn it off depends on the oven (and whether or not you take the pizza stone out*). I just took mine to a bootfitter to bake--with the dedicated liner oven, shell spreader, and lots of practice.

*Might not be the best thing for your next pizza if you bake liners with the stone in the oven. There must be some chemicals off-gassing, no?

[Rossymcg]

can't be any worse than the chemicals I've consummed at the weekend in the past

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[DGamms]

I’m guessing the total number of people interested in this potential liner/shell combo is very small.

But for those that may care: if you have a skinny ankle/heel/calf and have downsized into a Hawx Ultra 26.5 with punches to make the shell work, the Power Wrap+ HV in a 27 is likely a non-starter.

I can make a Dreamliner HV 27 or ProTour HV 27 work in that shell, no problem.

But the HV Power Wrap+ has so much material in the cuff/upper that my buckles have no chance of latching…

[skithewest]

I’m guessing the total number of people interested in this potential liner/shell combo is very small.

But for those that may care: if you have a skinny ankle/heel/calf and have downsized into a Hawx Ultra 26.5 with punches to make the shell work, the Power Wrap+ HV in a 27 is likely a non-starter.

I can make a Dreamliner HV 27 or ProTour HV 27 work in that shell, no problem.

But the HV Power Wrap+ has so much material in the cuff/upper that my buckles have no chance of latching…

The HV powerwraps+ has an INSANE amount of material. Even being able to get buckles put together when molding, I haven't been able to do them up again after.


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[kid-kapow]

I tried Hawx Ultra XTDs and Pro Tongues - similar results. Didn't even try to bake and adjust them - no point.

I had a similar experience with TourWraps in both Ultra XTD 130s and XT3 130LVs, but there seems to be a chance in the XT3 Tour Pros (slightly wider last). Might give it a shot if I end up disliking the stock liners.

[XXX-er]

yeah this ^^ kind of thing is why I payed the pro,

the right liner for the boot & my foot, properly instaled

[DGamms]

yeah this ^^ kind of thing is why I payed the pro,

the right liner for the boot & my foot, properly instaled

If I lived within a days drive of Vancouver, I would do the same.

[XXX-er]

Is 13hrs a days drive in your world ?

[DGamms]

About 16hrs in the car each way for me… probably would cost me almost as much in gas as a new Intuition liner.

Returning the unmolded PowerWrap+ 27 via UPS seems like the easier option.

[XXX-er]

Anyone connecting thru YVR its possible to take the LRT to get new liners and be back in < 5hrs which what I did on the flight back from Niseko

keep your boots in your pack and ALWAYS book ahead at intutition by e-mail