Intuition liners

[Chugachjed]

Works for me. Doesn't get the liners hot enough to mold the outside though.

[cat in january]

Read that technique of using the boiling water on here and I have done it. I liked it better than the rice method which I have also used. Seems to work in a similar way to the rice method.

[meter-man]

I just picked up an unbelievably cheap pair of candy-cane Scarpa T-Races that come with what appears to be similar to what is now the Pro Wrap liner. However, it has mesh in the forefoot, and feels much softer than what I expected of a Pro Wrap, never mind a Power Wrap. I was hoping to replace the stock Maestrale RS liner with the T-Race liner, but the T-Race liner is softer than expected...

Anyone have experience in the T-Race liner, or can speak to its stiffness relative to the rest of Intuition wrap liners?? More to the point - the Power Wrap is stiffer throughout, right?? Thanks yall!

[tavis]

Sorry if this has been covered, but I couldn't find it. How should the liners fit? With the size 27, they fit like a sock. putting them on without the shells my toes are pretty firmly against the front with my heal against the back. The're not uncomfortably tight, but in the boot, i can't really wiggle my toes, means the get cold and numb pretty quickly. With the 28, and out of the shell, it's more like a ski boot. My toes are against the front, but if i push my heal into the pocket, my toes just barely brush the front. But if i put the liners into the shell, they seem to bunch up on the top of the foot. My boots are the first gen cochise 120 in a size 27.5, but I know they size big, so i'd probably be a 28.5 in other brands. I own both sizes, and the 27s have been molded. I'm just wondering if i can get the size 28 to fit my shells (which are the right size) with some fiddling and molding.

[Andeh]

Sounds to me like they weren't molded well, or the fitter didn't ask you how much toe room you prefer / if you get cold feet. Go to a better fitter and have him look at them? You can rebake them no problem.

[TexasGortex]

Any reason my wife shouldn't buy the Godiva model? I have pro wraps and love them. She gets cold feet, wants a better liner, and the Godiva looks like it would fit her shells pretty well. Only fit issue is she currently uses footbeds (off the shelf Superfeet).

[Beyond]

Need some collective intelligence about sizing Luxury's: Have a 26.5 XT130, 12 mm shell fit, wide forefeet and narrow ankles, Intuition recommends a 27 Dreamliner LV or a 28 Luxury LV. The first makes sense, but I'm concerned it'll be too soft. The second makes sense in a MV for flex (apparently bit firmer than the LV) but the size rec has me confused. Anyone here had Intuition say 2 sizes up, and are a happier person for it? I'm thinking they assume the liner will be a very tight fit in the shell, so heating will force the foam inward. Perhaps a good thing. Perhaps not. Also suspect this would work better with rice or water so the outside stays firm. Wrong? Right?

FWIW, I've skied an ID Power Wrap for some time, 27 in a 27 Dalbello shell, out of shell barely gives my toes enough room even after double toe caps. So from that perspective the 28 Luxury makes sense, but I'm concerned about folding. Ideas appreciated.

[tsproul]

U gotta think about fit around your foot and fit around your lower leg.

Roomy footbox but u have bigger calves? Go low or medium volume sized 1-2 larger than shell.

Tight footbox but skinny sticks for legs? - duck tape padding all over the upper liner!

Get an assortment. Return the liners that dont work. Or go to a local bootfitter.....

[mickymikey]

what would people recommend for a super skinny ankle and leg in a dynafit mercury? Have emailed intuition but thought I would see what peoples thoughts are here.

Currently using a pair of scarpa maestrale intuitions which have now seen upwards of 200 days, so think its time for a new pair of liners. The volume of the scarpa liners are good around my foot but have had to put c pads around my ankles to take up volume and keep my heels down. They are also not very tight around the top of the boot which is something I have just kind of dealt with but isn't ideal. I have high arches and have had a slight pressure point on the top of my feet but hasn't caused too much discomfort until i recently noticed I'm getting a bone spur on top of my left foot. I also use custom foot beds.

From what I've read wrap style is best for skinny legs? a bit worried it will impair the walk mode of the mercurys quite a lot though, seem to be mixed thoughts on this, I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of movement. I assume the scarpa liners are medium volume and similar to pro tour, would want more volume around my ankle and leg than they provide so thinking high volume liners might be the way to go but then not sure if there would be too much volume around my actual foot then. Thinking maybe the Pro Wrap could be the way to go, they sound lower volume around the foot and toe box but the same volume (or maybe a bit more) on the upper liner than the standard medium volume powerwarp. Also the removable insert in the bottom sounds good for creating more room for my instep and help my bone spur problem. Is a medium volume powerwrap going to take up a lot more room around the top of my leg than a medium tongue style like the scarpa liners?

Cheers.

[XXX-er]

I went power wrap yeah you lose some ROM but the boot has lots of ROM so I didn't miss a little

[NoPostholio]

I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of movement.

As xxx'er said that is all you will sacrifice. Moreso the movement back, but it is there - just a little progressive. In return you get a much warmer and better fitting liner which also provides a more stable platform. I have wraps in both vulcans and TLT m's

[ready2tumble]

I'm just trying to find liners that fit and ski about like the stock Mercury ones, but are more forgiving on my instep. (Already did the recommended surgery on the stock liners, which helps a little, but not enough, and makes it hard to keep the tongues in place.) Don't feel like I need a lot of extra calf padding and don't want to increase stiffness, but definitely need to keep a bunch of volume filled around my skinny ankles and into my mid foot.

Pro Tours? Something else?

[XXX-er]

Lee & I were just discussing this on the way home today

1st you gotta have the right shell period cuz an aftermarket liner will not fix buying the wrong shell

as to what liner you won't know until you try them, only Pw's work for me and I know cuz i tried them all, Lee & sharon are using one of the tongued intuition liners but we both love our mercury & vulcans

I will say that IMO a PW will work for anybody IF the shell is right, the rest of the liners maybe yes maybe no ... try them

[ready2tumble]

Cool, thanks. I think I'm good on the shell fit, as I like generally like the fit and function of the boot as-is -- except for the instep crush. Not too worried about losing touring ROM, but not psyched to increase stiffness. Will probably give PWs as try.

[mickymikey]

So just decided to go to a local shop and see a proper boot fitter. They had the full tilt intuition power wrap liners so am giving them a go, they seem super comfy after molding (almost too comfy) and with them and a pair of booster straps i have a good fit around the top of my skinny chicken legs and seemingly more room in the toebox which is a bonus. think they should be good! Also seemed to have fixed the slight pressure point on my instep which caused the bone spurs from the scarpa intuition liner i had. Time will tell though. Doesn't seem to have impaired the touring stride too much, you notice a little more resistance in the back but theres such a big ROM anyway that I think I won't really notice. Overall super happy without having skied them, but time skiing on them will be the true test!

[Nick Martinez]

How much should I expect to pay for having my Intuition liners heat molded in Vail?

My boots are Seth Morrison's 2014 model and I put 10 days on them with no molding at all.

Second question... should I get custom footbeds? I realised that, opposite to the Atomics I previously had, the footbed on these liners is made of a "thick" foam.

[XXX-er]

Second question... should I get custom footbeds? I realised that, opposite to the Atomics I previously had, the footbed on these liners is made of a "thick" foam.

IME if you can find a good generic foot bed then you don't need to spend big $$$ on custom foot beds, I have custom made, green superfeet, red & grey soles and for me the sole(yoursole.com) foot beds are where its at for 40$

[Kenny Satch]

My boots are Seth Morrison's 2014 model and I put 10 days on them with no molding at all.

how would you rate the fit and comfort ?
I was thinking of going to Full Tilt boots and the Seth Morrison's is one I was considering along with the Tom Wallisch.

[XXX-er]

Anyone who can use a heatmolded liner without molding I gotta ask if the shell is too big ?

I know the way to g-fit garmonts in the endorphins was to shell fit then mold and if you could stand the unmolded boot for more than 5 minutes ... it was too big

[Nick Martinez]

how would you rate the fit and comfort ?
I was thinking of going to Full Tilt boots and the Seth Morrison's is one I was considering along with the Tom Wallisch.

Well... I got them in August and skied 12 days on them. Both of my toenails died and are still in the process of growing again.

I got a VERY tight shell fit (1/2") on them and didn't mold the liners, and I also have wide forefeet. So for the first 10 days, every day after skiing I left them at the bootfitter's. I punched the hell out of them! Heels, toes, pinkys...

But now... I FU***** LOVE THEM!

[Kenny Satch]

Well... I got them in August and skied 12 days on them. Both of my toenails died and are still in the process of growing again.

I got a VERY tight shell fit (1/2") on them and didn't mold the liners, and I also have wide forefeet. So for the first 10 days, every day after skiing I left them at the bootfitter's. I punched the hell out of them! Heels, toes, pinkys...

But now... I FU***** LOVE THEM!

sounds like a love hate relationship with painful but positive dividends
I'll use your info and make sure the liners are molded
thanks

[NoPostholio]

Anyone who can use a heatmolded liner without molding I gotta ask if the shell is too big?

PM la rawj?

[Nick Martinez]

sounds like a love hate relationship with painful but positive dividends
I'll use your info and make sure the liners are molded
thanks

Yes! If you get a good fit dialed in, you'll love them! Great performance, light boots...

[alex.georgiev]

Hi all,

I am running the Tecnica Cochise Pro Light (size 26.5) and I have a couple of issues that I think a pair of Intuitions could solve. To be fair, one may arise from the other. I feel that in order to ski them with the control I want, I have to tighten them quite a bit, which then lead to a serious case of shin-bangs. Especially in the mornings when my feet are cold it is almost intolerable. I have about of a finger of shell space so I think a MV pair will be OK. I was thinking of the Pro Tongue model but I have a few concerns:

Those should be plenty stiff and give me more control but would they be significantly more comfortable than the stock liners of the Cochise and thus help with the shin-bangs? What size should I get? Intuition says specifically for the Pro Tongue to size down while some people suggest to size up?

Thank you very much in advance and greetings from Bulgaria.

Alex

[1000-oaks]

Anyone try the Pro Tour HV yet? How about the optional Power Tongue or Thick Tongue?

The Thick Tongue might work well with big-cuff Cochise shells.