Legend Pros and Bros - my last thread on it, I swear

[seldon]

Most likely, this will be relegated to the 100 views/1 post category b/c of my obscene number of TT threads about it. .

I have eliminated the xploder from my decision.

It is a race, to the death, between the Legend Pro (186) and the BroModel.

They will compete on their own, without help from a quiver.

No assistance will be provided except a pair of P14 Maxplates.

They must compete on their own merits.

They will be a one-ski quiver.

They will be used mostly in Tahoe, Alta, Jackson.

They will need to last. For a while. While= 2/3 seasons.

They must be versatile.

They must bust ass on the steeps.

They must by fuckin awesome in powder.

They must rail on groomers with no speed limit.

They must survive bumps.

They must blow through crud like The Reverend Floater through South American women.

They must kick ass.

They must not submit to the wear and tear. Durability is key.


Basically, which of these will be more versatile and more fun to ski on an everyday basis?

[Z]

cmon dude...BRO MODELS!! their made by maggots for shits sake...you see the edges they put on em!!! and who do you really want to support here...this is really a no brainer, i have no idea why have your panties in a wad

[Greydon Clark]

Since no one has ever skied the Bros in powder or any place other than Mt. Hood so it is impossible to answer your questions. Anyway, take a chance and buy the Bros. Undoubtly they are cooler then some Dynastars.

[m1e448]

Get the bro models dude. I'll bet they'll last you. With the cost of the bromodels versus the cost of legend pros you could buy 2 pairs of bromodels for every one pair of Legends

[joshbu]

Just sack up and buy the bros before we make you change your alias to "mild-seldon"

[schuss]

Bro's because failing all else, you could probably buy two pair for the price of the legends.

[Vets]

I've skied both skis. The Legend Pros (186) at Big Sky in 8" of fresh on top of somewhat firm snow. The BroModel (188) at Hood on salted firm to sloppy slush. I can understand your dilemma. I like both skis. I'm going with the Bros. Here are my feelings down the line on all your concerns:
They will compete on their own, without help from a quiver.
- The Bros were designed to be a one-ski quiver (though I do admit to a certain enjoyment in having many different skis)
No assistance will be provided except a pair of P14 Maxplates.
- I tried the LPs w/ Look demos. The Bros w/ Salomon 912 Ti demos. They worked fine.
They must compete on their own merits.
- Both skis kick ass.
They will be a one-ski quiver.
- See above.
They will be used mostly in Tahoe, Alta, Jackson.
- I ski mostly Tahoe (Kirkwood, Heavenly) and Mammoth. The length of the Bros will be ideal on these mountains.
They will need to last. For a while. While= 2/3 seasons.
- I'm impressed with the construction of the Bros. The base of the LP did seem susceptible to a scratch/gouge (I found a little rock under the pow in Montana)
They must be versatile.
- I'd give the Bros an edge on versatility. It was easy to vary turn shapes and speeds on the Bros. All I did was haul ass through the pow on the LPs so I'm not really sure there.
They must bust ass on the steeps.
- Agreed. Looking forward to finding out on suitable terrain.
They must by fuckin awesome in powder.
- They've both got the width. The LPs loved the 8" of fresh and would welcome more.
They must rail on groomers with no speed limit.
- Both skis can do this. For me groomer performance is not at the top of my concerns though. I spend much more time off-piste.
They must survive bumps.
- Not sure which would be better in bumps.
They must blow through crud like The Reverend Floater through South American women.
- Not familiar with the Rev. and SA women. Both felt like they would be great in crud.
They must kick ass.
- See above
They must not submit to the wear and tear. Durability is key.
- See above

I went with the Bros because of the above reasons, they will be available before the Legend Pros, they cost less, they are unique, and I can feel the passion that went into building the ski.

[phUnk]

Jesus dude, just pick one. They're the same ski. Buy the cheaper one and if it blows up the first day, you know PM Gear will take care of you.

Fuck.

[descender]

I think is a no brainer. They are the exact same kind of ski and the Bro is way cheaper and more unique. Go for the Bro, bro.

[optics]

Better change your sig.

[Twoplanker]

Be the Bro. Here's six good reasons:

[Z]

nicely done 2plank

[AltaPowderDaze]

Originally posted by Vitamin I


splat is the mang, and I buy into everything he has said about the Bros, with one exception: his "one-ski quiver" pitch. i'm sorry, the Bro and LP kick ridiculous ass, but there will be days in Tahoe, Alta, and Jackson (especially in early season and late season) when your fatass ski sucks, and when your fatass ski will inevitably hit rocks, and that's what the original thread told you.

c'mon, how many skiers on this board actually get by on a >97mm waist 1-ski quiver? and of that small number, how many actually made that jump straight from skis like XX and ScratchBC?

a lot of people i know get by on fat skis. they may have other rock skis for october, november, may and june, but the fats get skied even on the hard pack. I use my 91mm waist for the few days that we do get rime and frozen conditions at alta. I have seen people rip on pistols with 4 blown edges on hard pack. I don't know how they do it, but it gets done!

[PlayHarder]

Yeah, sorry Vitaman I - the skinniest skis I've got are 90mm waisted scratch bc's and they're used on powder days. My everyday and rock/early season ski is a 95mm waisted CMH Exploder.
Unless you're into racing or carving groomers, I think you could pretty easily get by with 97mm for a single ski quiver.

[Twoplanker]

Man, we have been swamped! We have sold skis to Bros in the US, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, and Australia. I'm working hard to develop our new website, which will showcase our skis as well as other products. I thought I would go ahead and share with you guys the copy from the Bro Model webpage, since it contains some more tehnical details that I don't think have been clearly spelled out.


DIMENSIONS: 125-99-114 (tip-waist-tail in mm)

LENGTH: 188 cm

CONSTRUCTION:

Super light laminated fir cores
Extra-wide Rockwell 48 edges
UHMW (P-Tex) sidewalls
Sintered P-Tex 6000 bases
2 layers of anti-vibration, dampening rubber
Handmade in limited quantities in the U.S.A.
The most unique ski design in the world.


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The BroModel ski by PM Gear is already winning rave reviews by field testers recently riding the prototypes on the snowfields of Mt. Hood, Oregon. Here's some of what they had to say:

"Bomber, tough-ass ski."

"Powerful freight train."

"Very damp and stable."

"Perfect."

The PM BroModel is constructed to deliver what every ski manufacturer should deliver when designing a ski - a tough, damp, all around board that will slice, dice, and carve through every condition the mountains can serve up. And that is what the BroModel does. A powder ski by nature, the BroModel was extensively tested on the ice and slush of Mt. Hood's Palmer snowfield this past summer to make certain it would carve any radius turn on any snow with the turning capabilities of a slalom and giant slalom skis while exuding the stability of a downhill ski.

Through a unique combination of a stiff core underfoot and in the tail, the BroModel flexes its stiff core through a sweet spot in the tip that engages the flex of the entire ski for any radius turn you want it to make. The most versatile ski in the world, The BroModel was designed and built by skiers with a lifetime of experience on the snow testing skis around the world. No need to buy a ski for every condition. The BroModel does it all.

Built with thicker super-light laminated fir cores, the BroModel is damp and stable for high speed railing, achievable only because of custom double layers of vibration dampening rubber that make this 188 cm ski feel as stable as 223 cm downhill boards. Constructed with extreme durability as our primary focus, the BroModel features beefy Rockwell 48 edges, UHMW sidewalls, and black sintered P-Tex 6000 bases -as thick as bases get. We are one of the only companies to use UHMW (P-tex) sidewalls, possibly the most durable plastic ever made. It bonds extremely well and won't crack like ABS.

The BRO Model skis utilize a 22oz triaxial glass weave. The core is "wrapped" both beneath and above the wood core to create the most lightweight, stable ride possible. We use the highest-grade epoxy resin to saturate the glass weaves and bond the composites together. -45° / 0° / +45° three separate strands of glass that act as beams to relay rider input into the ski. More angles give more response from your skis and greater edge to edge control. Lightweight durability with added torsional strength.

Leveraging its wide body and length, the BroModel provides ample base square inches underfoot for maximum float in the deepest and lightest powder, its signature characteristic.

The PM Gear BroModel is being offered at a special, introductory price of $450, less than half the price of any competitor possessing such high quality construction. Production is limited, so get your pair today!

[snorkeldeep]

fkna, eh?

[splat]

I love the fact that we kinda reverse-engineered the Bros for their performance in ice and slush. Given the ski has dimensions that split the dif between 105's and the LP, the pow performance is a given. There's more than a few fat skis that can feel a little unforgiving and clumsy on ice and grooms, and some that have low profile tips that have a tendency to dive. The Bro is a skier's ski, with a twist - If you're not a super skier, it will help you get there. We took a super stiff dh/gs board and made it a little softer and more manageable while maintaining the qualities that hardcores look for and appreciate in high speed big mountain boards.

But I think you should buy the LPs. Cause you'll always be able to sell them used and still afford the Bros. Then this indecision will no longer haunt you.

[Hicks]

Originally posted by splat
But I think you should buy the LPs. Cause you'll always be able to sell them used and still afford the Bros. Then this indecision will no longer haunt you.

Splat,

How come you can read my mind?