Poll- itical thread

[warthog]

Just cause I want to prove a theory of mine:


Here is a poll that should give us a nice view of our community here. Please play along.

[bagtagley]

Dammit warthog, I'm trying to tell you about fucking my wife in the ass, and you're asking me all these personal questions.

[warthog]

The "Does your girl like it in the pooper" poll will follow, I promise.

Edit- Obvious WV references left out intentionally. We all know that it's not all of them, just like 85%. Is that so bad?

[ducktherope]

Frodo failed.
Bush got the ring.

(Bumper sticker seen in Fremont last weekend)

[Platinum Pete]

There's a lot of overlap in the poll. Kerry is the man, I want anybody but the whole Bush admin (so killing him isn't an option), Nader did screw things up bad in 2000 and shouldn't be forgiven, and yes I want that blunt.

[warthog]

You gotta make choices in this world Pete.

[Below Zero]

Originally posted by Platinum Pete
There's a lot of overlap in the poll. Kerry is the man, I want anybody but the whole Bush admin (so killing him isn't an option), Nader did screw things up bad in 2000 and shouldn't be forgiven, and yes I want that blunt.

I'm with you there Platinum Pete - oh yeah, I'll take a hit too. Puff Puff Give!

[Buster Highmen]

(from: http://www.democracynow.org/article..../09/17/1543215 ).

AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Ray McGovern and David MacMichael, two former CIA analysts with the agency for more than a quarter of a century...Ray McGovern, our guest, former CIA analyst. You were with the CIA for…

RAY MCGOVERN: 27 years.

AMY GOODMAN: And you worked directly under George Bush

RAY MCGOVERN: I did when he was director for CIA and later I saw him every other morning for a couple of years in the 80’s when he was Vice President.

AMY GOODMAN: Doing what?

RAY MCGOVERN: I was one of the briefers who prepared the President’s daily brief and delivered it and briefed people one on one with the senior officials downtown.

AMY GOODMAN:Now one of the things we are talking about a lot and seeing a lot is that the same people that were there during the Reagan-Bush years and even before, the Wolfowitzes the Rumsfelds, Cheneys were there then. What was George Bush’s view of these people then?

RAY MCGOVERN: Well, you know it’s really interesting. When we saw these people coming back in town, all of us said who were around in those days said, oh my god, ‘the crazies’ are back – ‘the crazies’ – that’s how we referred to these people.

AMY GOODMAN: Did George Bush refer to them that way?

RAY MCGOVERN: That’s the way everyone referred to them.

AMY GOODMAN: Including George Bush?

RAY MCGOVERN: Well, when Wolfowitz prepared that defense posture statement in 1991, where he elucidated the strategic vision that has now been implemented, Jim Baker, Secretary of State, Brent Scowcroft, security advisor to George Bush, and George Bush said hey, that thing goes right into the circular file. Suppress that thing, get rid of it. Somebody had the presence of mind to leak it and so that was suppressed. But now to see that arise out of the ashes and be implemented. while we start a war against Iraq, I wonder what Bush the first is really thinking. Because these were the same guys that all of us referred to as ‘the crazies’.

AMY GOODMAN: Including George Bush

RAY MCGOVERN: I don’t want to…There is a certain delicacy to all this. The last thing I want to do is to do anything to impede the access of honest analysts who are willing to speak truth to power on these mornings briefings, and so I am not going to quote anything the Vice President said to me directly.

AMY GOODMAN: But on that issue, when you say when Wolfowitz for example, brought forward the defense posture, explain what that was, what he was promoting.

RAY MCGOVERN: Well he was promoting the idea that has now been implemented that we are the single superpower in the world and that we should act like it. We’ve got a lot of weight to throw around, we should throw it around. We should assert ourselves in critical areas, like the Middle East and over the next few years the Project for New American Century documents very much elucidate this kind of strategic vision and strategic plan. It’s very much like Mein Kampf. It’s the ideological strategic justification for what has been happening here. It’s empire, it’s how to increase our influence and not coincidentally, it dovetails expressly with the strategic objectives of Israel in the Middle East. We mean to be the sole superpower, dominant superpower in the world and Israel is determined to remain the superpower in the Middle East. And of course if you talk about weapons of mass destruction, well, check out how many Israel has. And ask yourself when was the last national intelligence estimate on Israeli weapons of mass destruction?

[Dr. Gaper]

How about, Bush = Kerry, Nader is a Gaper . . .

Vote Liberatrian!

[optics]

Originally posted by Dr. Gaper
Vote Bush!

[Cornholio]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
scaryness

I assume you've read the "Statement of Purpose" and "Rebuilding America's Defenses" documents published by PNAC and signed by virtually all of 43's inner circle (except, interestingly, 43 himself) ? If not, it's worth a peek.

[The AD]

Originally posted by Dr. Gaper
Vote Liberatrian!

Too bad there's no Dyslexic Party.

[This End Up]

AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Ray McGovern and David MacMichael, two former CIA analysts with the agency for more than a quarter of a century...Ray McGovern, our guest, former CIA analyst. You were with the CIA for…

Amy Goodman is a hottie.

[Below Zero]

Huh?

[Below Zero]

So do you think she is really hot?

[summit]

Originally posted by Dr. Gaper
How about, Bush = Kerry, Nader is a Gaper . . .

Vote Liberatrian!

At last, a clear minded fellow presents the truth.

[Cornholio]

Originally posted by Below Zero
So do you think she is really hot?

I think you're really not-so-bright.

[ME]

Originally posted by Cornholio
I assume you've read the "Statement of Purpose" and "Rebuilding America's Defenses" documents published by PNAC and signed by virtually all of 43's inner circle (except, interestingly, 43 himself) ? If not, it's worth a peek.

Whoa! So I'm looking around that site ( Project for the New American Century ) and I see this letter penned to Bill Clinton in 1998 urging the overthrow of Saddam signed by, among other people, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. Does this not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Iraq war has been in the planning for years prior to 9/11?

Sure seems this way to me.

[ME]

Originally posted by This End Up
[B] Amy Goodman is a hottie.

http://www.pacifica.org/programs/images/amy2.gif

[Cornholio]

Keep reading, dood.

There's a whole blueprint in there, written in the late 90s, on what it will take to overthrow Saddam. Including the need for some "catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." (p 50 or 51 or so.)

[ME]

Originally posted by Cornholio
Keep reading, dood.

There's a whole blueprint in there, written in the late 90s, on what it will take to overthrow Saddam. Including the need for some "catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." (p 50 or 51 or so.)

1. These guys have balls, and
2. They realize that for the average American, as long as nothing gets in the way of their trip to Wal-Mart to buy for materials for the local landfill, they just can't be bothered to give a shit.

[mr_gyptian]

Originally posted by ME
Whoa! So I'm looking around that site ( Project for the New American Century ) and I see this letter penned to Bill Clinton in 1998 urging the overthrow of Saddam signed by, among other people, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld. Does this not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Iraq war has been in the planning for years prior to 9/11?

Sure seems this way to me.

No shit it was. It's called the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.

Oh, Rummy and Bush Sr. hated each other beginning when Rummy put 41 on the bench as Director of the CIA with Ford. 41 was also telling Reagan to tone down his rhetoric about the USSR. Wolfowitz was part of the group asking for the military build up that crippled the USSR.


Oh, and only at democracy now could you find someone unblinklingly saying a Jew was writing something akin to Mein Kampf.

[This End Up]

Originally posted by ME
http://www.pacifica.org/programs/images/amy2.gif

Yeaaa babyeeee. Enough beers and I'd be all over that.

Amy Goodman; first woman president or a predator posing as a house pet? Or, better yet, a cougar looking for luv at the Mangy Moose?

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
Oh, and only at democracy now could you find someone unblinklingly saying a Jew was writing something akin to Mein Kampf.

Why would you say that?
Or is this yet another instance of some vacuous and Limbaughian namecalling.

It's a quote from Ray McGovern, an ex CIA analyst. That's a fact. It's not anything that has anything to do with the organization other than they published an opinion of an old school conservative that served under George Bush.

[mr_gyptian]

I just think it's ironical that a website would post an interview insinuating something like that.

Oh and Amy Goodman looks like Corky from Life Goes On.