espresso making mags?

[tgapp]

So, I fell into the rabbit hole of how to home roast on youtube this afternoon (godawful weather outside), and I came away thinking, I could do that affordably. Doesnt look that hard. As an amatuer cook and foodie of sorts, I've learned fresh is best. It's why a simple pasta meal in Italy is so much better, although even they and the French are falling prey to modern industrial prepackaged food, too, but hardly as bad as America. So I'm thinking a counter roaster is a better new toy than a grinder, because I already have a decent burr grinder that just doesnt have a single shot feature. If you've ever had fresh made pasta done well, you know what I mean.

So, my question is, if you self roast, and dont shoot me over this: Is it ok to freeze these beans you just roasted? Does that extend flavor life? Does it really degrade them?

freezing is fine, it doesn't hurt a thing really.

home roasting isn't hard, but thinking you can roast at home for cheap is as foolish as thinking you can do espresso at home for cheap. you do save a ton on coffee though, so that's nice

pm me if you want more beta or thoughts on it

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[frorider]

I've got a Gaggia Classic that needs a little work, as well. Free to anyone who is interested.

Huh that’s a cool offer. I’ve become pretty comfortable disassembling the entire device. I could fix it and donate it to a friend I’m sure.

[mattig]

Haven't checked this thread in a while. So much killer advice.

One thing I'd add on the channeling issue is that my biggest culprit is my shitty roaster (behmor 1600). Great bang for buck but if it's taking me almost 20 minutes to hear the first snap of 2nd crack, I think I'm baking more than roasting. I almost never have a channeling issue with pro roasted beans, and the pucks pop out nice and clean. With my beans, I tend to get a fragmented puck.

Separate topic for those on edge of rabbit hole, here's one more angle. My most wanted feature when beginning this journey was direct plumb. Machines that have it aren't cheap, but to me, it is the single greatest thing that's happened on my coffee adventure. I didn't care about refilling a reservoir, but messing around with descaling and related reliability issues was the motivation.

[jackattack]

So, I fell into the rabbit hole of how to home roast on youtube this afternoon (godawful weather outside), and I came away thinking, I could do that affordably. Doesnt look that hard. As an amatuer cook and foodie of sorts, I've learned fresh is best. It's why a simple pasta meal in Italy is so much better, although even they and the French are falling prey to modern industrial prepackaged food, too, but hardly as bad as America. So I'm thinking a counter roaster is a better new toy than a grinder, because I already have a decent burr grinder that just doesnt have a single shot feature. If you've ever had fresh made pasta done well, you know what I mean.

So, my question is, if you self roast, and dont shoot me over this: Is it ok to freeze these beans you just roasted? Does that extend flavor life? Does it really degrade them?

tgapp is too generous.

search jong?

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ee-mag-coffee)

[Benny Profane]

freezing is fine, it doesn't hurt a thing really.

home roasting isn't hard, but thinking you can roast at home for cheap is as foolish as thinking you can do espresso at home for cheap. you do save a ton on coffee though, so that's nice

pm me if you want more beta or thoughts on it

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Well, this device costs less than 200 bucks, and then, of course, there is the literal world of beans, and, as someone said, it isn't cheaper than store bought, but not much more per shot and much much fresher. Doesnt seem too hard. Messy and smelly, but, I could get the hang of it.
How long do home roasted beans stay "fresh" in a sealed container, but not frozen? So, how much do you roast ahead? A week? Two weeks?

[tgapp]

Well, this device costs less than 200 bucks, and then, of course, there is the literal world of beans, and, as someone said, it isn't cheaper than store bought, but not much more per shot and much much fresher. Doesnt seem too hard. Messy and smelly, but, I could get the hang of it.
How long do home roasted beans stay "fresh" in a sealed container, but not frozen? So, how much do you roast ahead? A week? Two weeks?

I roast every 14 to 18 days. Days one through five are for cupping and brewed coffee, starting on day five I'll start to pull espresso shots, and that will usually last until day 11 or 12. Most of the time I run out of espresso before it goes bad, but sometime around day 14 is when the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I almost always have freezer coffee for emergencies when life catches up and I'm not able to roast on the day when I need to roast.

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[tgapp]

Haven't checked this thread in a while. So much killer advice.

One thing I'd add on the channeling issue is that my biggest culprit is my shitty roaster (behmor 1600). Great bang for buck but if it's taking me almost 20 minutes to hear the first snap of 2nd crack, I think I'm baking more than roasting. I almost never have a channeling issue with pro roasted beans, and the pucks pop out nice and clean. With my beans, I tend to get a fragmented puck.

Separate topic for those on edge of rabbit hole, here's one more angle. My most wanted feature when beginning this journey was direct plumb. Machines that have it aren't cheap, but to me, it is the single greatest thing that's happened on my coffee adventure. I didn't care about refilling a reservoir, but messing around with descaling and related reliability issues was the motivation.

Yeah, honestly, if it is taking you that long to get to second crack, you are baking the hell out of your coffee. You should be hitting first crack somewhere around 8 minutes to 11 minutes, and then second crack between 11 minutes and 14 minutes at the very longest. Honestly though this is all highly speculative because I never roast to second crack, all my espresso gets dumped around a minute and a half after first crack. I would think about lowering your batch size.



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[Boreas]

Well, this device costs less than 200 bucks, and then, of course, there is the literal world of beans, and, as someone said, it isn't cheaper than store bought, but not much more per shot and much much fresher. Doesnt seem too hard. Messy and smelly, but, I could get the hang of it.
How long do home roasted beans stay "fresh" in a sealed container, but not frozen? So, how much do you roast ahead? A week? Two weeks?

Depends on the beans. In theory I’d like my African dry process beans off gas for 5-7 days. In practice I’m lazy and I always seem to drink them within 2-3 days.

[mattig]

Yeah, honestly, if it is taking you that long to get to second crack, you are baking the hell out of your coffee. You should be hitting first crack somewhere around 8 minutes to 11 minutes, and then second crack between 11 minutes and 14 minutes at the very longest. Honestly though this is all highly speculative because I never roast to second crack, all my espresso gets dumped around a minute and a half after first crack. I would think about lowering your batch size.



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Yes sir. Should have specified that's for 1lb batch. I can hit 2nd crack in 14 min with a half lb. Just lazy (prefer to roast every other week as opposed to weekly).

Smaller batch coffee is definitely better though.

[Benny Profane]

tgapp is too generous.

search jong?

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ee-mag-coffee)

Ah, thanks. Awesome. Thanks tgapp.

[CantDog]

Been hunting for a machine for a while and this popped up locally, well cared for and tons of accessories. So now I’m drinking a ton of espresso.

I definitely overestimated my skills. Initial shots were totally sour, and hard to find the spot between sour and bitter. Started messing with temperature, dose size, and then got totally sideways.

Initially was playing with some IMS baskets and went to the stock ones and things improved. Now I feel like I’m getting there and will pull a shot that is incredible. The rest I’ll just turn into a milk drink.

All in all it’s a blast.


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[tgapp]

hey zzz i've got some cheap as shit espresso for you (seriously, it's cheap)

wifey is headed up to basin tomorrow, i can have her drop in ogden (or wherever)

[jm2e]

Whoa


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[tgapp]

Whoa


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i got u too fam, don't stress, just focus on getting your lungs to fucking work and working that netflix queue

also willywhit and a few others

[tgapp]

i got u too fam, don't stress, just focus on getting your lungs to fucking work and working that netflix queue

also willywhit and a few others

oh but yours isn't the cheap shit, that's special for zzz

i'll roast real coffee for him when he's no longer an espresso JONG

[jm2e]

i got u too fam, don't stress, just focus on getting your lungs to fucking work and working that netflix queue

also willywhit and a few others

Bwahahaha.
I was reacting to the steezy looking shiny fancy gourmet machine CantDog scored off Craigslist!


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[tgapp]

ahh damn yeah that is a good looking e61. what is it? HX or double boiler?

I fucking love e61s with the manual brew valve. It's so satisfying to open the valve to pull a shot.

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[zion zig zag]

hey zzz i've got some cheap as shit espresso for you (seriously, it's cheap)

wifey is headed up to basin tomorrow, i can have her drop in ogden (or wherever)

Damn, that's super generous, I'd love to try it! I'm mostly downtown but can be mobile.

[CantDog]

ahh damn yeah that is a good looking e61. what is it? HX or double boiler?

I fucking love e61s with the manual brew valve. It's so satisfying to open the valve to pull a shot.

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Dual Boiler Alex Duetto! It crushes. I’m a newbie to espresso but it’s been really fun. Just need to plumb it in.


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[tgapp]

Dual Boiler Alex Duetto! It crushes. I’m a newbie to espresso but it’s been really fun. Just need to plumb it in.


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damn that's legit, you won't ever need a new machine. that'll last your entire life.

once you master that i would think about adding flow control to it, for $150, it's a stupid good upgrade. then you'll be able to do all sorts of really cool shit.

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on another note, does anyone have an e61 with knob control for steam and hot water (not joysticks, like cantdog) that would like some really amazing bubinga burl brew control knobs? these were well over $100 custom, and they're stunning. they look like well-pulled shots of espresso. plus, you pretty much can't get them in this wood anymore, it's too rare



the knobs are a friction fit designed to go over a square post that is ~6mm, and the brew lever screws on for about the same. i'll send em to any mag for the cost of a $whatever donation to your local foodbank, they're fucking sweet, they just don't fit my machine

[cravenmorhead]

Anybody using the Flair regularly? I have one arriving today.

[tgapp]

Anybody using the Flair regularly? I have one arriving today.

Not as a daily driver but yes , I have used one a ton. They're amazing. Super easy to dial in shots, that deep basket makes it way less likely to channel.

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[cravenmorhead]

Not as a daily driver but yes , I have used one a ton. They're amazing. Super easy to dial in shots, that deep basket makes it way less likely to channel.

Rad! Seems on-brand to compliment my whirley pop home roasting setup for a solid home setup that doesn't break the bank.

[tgapp]

Rad! Seems on-brand to compliment my whirley pop home roasting setup for a solid home setup that doesn't break the bank.

Yeah the flair is fucking excellent. The only limitation it has is shot volume; it excels at ristrettos and dopios but can't do much longer shots. Make sure to preheat the group head thoroughly, and don't be afraid to pull long, slow, shots with it.

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[tgapp]

Rad! Seems on-brand to compliment my whirley pop home roasting setup for a solid home setup that doesn't break the bank.

also yeah shoot for like 14-16 grams or so, with a grind that is just a touch coarser than normal espresso (still quite fine though). you should be able to pull a shot with some resistance without it feeling like it's arm day at the gym