Bad way to sell bikes...

**Benny Profane** · 07-16-2004, 08:24 PM

Lemond refuses to keep his mouth shut.

http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/...to613945.shtml

Reggie is doing this to Barry Bonds every now and then. The truth may be hard to find.

**VTskibum** · 07-16-2004, 09:09 PM

Anybody got any "Armstrong" or "Lance" stickers to replace the lemond ones on my current bike!!

**Artie Fufkin** · 07-16-2004, 09:54 PM

Greg's is looking like a bitter jackass, but he is pumping out some nice rides. I think that he produces these bikes with Trek, though I could be wrong. The Tete de Course is a pretty nice bike:

**Benny Profane** · 07-18-2004, 10:41 PM

Check Out "Outside the Lines" right now on ESPN or ESPN2. Lemond sits down and goes on the record. Interesting........

L7 · 07-18-2004, 11:54 PM

Lemond bikes have been made in the Trek factory for a few years. My understanding is Trek bought the name outright a couple of years ago.

I heard recently that Lemond was a bad drunk philandering pig down in Vegas for a trade show who couldn't keep a drink from hitting the floor in 3 tries. Relating that story would just be spurious rumour mongering though. Oh wait that's what he's doing.... at least I spoke directly to someone who witnessed his whole behaviour first hand.

I love my Lemond bike but I would also like to cover the stickers at this point.

My bet is that Trek buries the Lemond name within a year or two as Greg's fucking drunken mounth will just start to drag down the name of a champion worth 10 times what that bitter turkey shooting redneck was ever worth.

Just my opinion and little more than rumour mongering... but that seems popular these days.

Ever wonder why he's never been on camera for Tour de France coverage?

**verbier61** · 07-20-2004, 05:28 AM

Originally posted by Benny Profane
Lemond refuses to keep his mouth shut.
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He's just telling what the question is for everyone knowing almost a little about physiology and looking at how fast bikers are now compared to the pre-EPO (etc) times. There has not been any serious improvement in the gear, nor in the training, so wtf has changed? Let me know, I would be more than glad to be convinced. I the meantime, I see that EPO (and similar), GH, etc that - as drugs - should be used by VERY FEW people in the world, are HUGE blockbuster in pharma. Also, I see that this stuff has been found frequently at the giro, tour, etc. Then, by chance, I am good friend with a colleague of mine (a MD) who has been working at the giro in the past 6 years. What do you think she has seen?

**ulty_guy** · 07-20-2004, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by verbier61
Then, by chance, I am good friend with a colleague of mine (a MD) who has been working at the giro in the past 6 years. What do you think she has seen?

oh, don't worry, that's just those dodgy italian types (ala pantani), everyone else is clean

**schuss** · 07-20-2004, 07:19 AM

personally I think lances advantage was his cancer, as it completely destroyed all his muscle, and he was able to rebuild it the way he should have in the first place. He had a clean slate to work with.

**verbier61** · 07-20-2004, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by ulty_guy
oh, don't worry, that's just those dodgy italian types (ala pantani), everyone else is clean

**scoober** · 07-20-2004, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by verbier61
He's just telling what the question is for everyone knowing almost a little about physiology and looking at how fast bikers are now compared to the pre-EPO (etc) times. There has not been any serious improvement in the gear, nor in the training, so wtf has changed? Let me know, I would be more than glad to be convinced.

Back in the '20s the riders carried cheese, bread and wine out with them in their musettes. i know that is an extreme and even well before Lemond's time in the tour, but you can't tell me that knowledge about nutrition hasn't changed over the years. Minute point really, but i think it does make a difference.

does LA have an unfair advantage over Lemond when he raced? probably. the Tour is more popular in the US right now then it ever has been. LA is riding knowing that a good percentage of the country knows what he is doing, supports him and wants him to do well. while there was buzz about Lemond in his time, it was just a second page headline to the jist of "random US cyclist doing well in stupid French bike race".

then there is the whole cancer issue. LA came back from some seriously bad stuff and rebuilt himself physically and mentally. i don't think he's still doing it because he has something to prove. i think he's doing it because he just wants to kick as much ass as he can.

there was that Nike commercial a few tours back about doping. LA said something like "Everybody thinks im on something. They want to know what I'm on. What am I on? I'm on my bike 8 hours a day. What are you on?"

**verbier61** · 07-20-2004, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by scoober
Back in the '20s the riders carried cheese, bread and wine out with them in their musettes. i know that is an extreme and even well before Lemond's time in the tour, but you can't tell me that knowledge about nutrition hasn't changed over the years. Minute point really, but i think it does make a difference.

are you serious

anyway let's me make a strong point: this dope hype is certainly NOT restricted to bikers. It's spreading to ALL sports where any possible advantage (even though minuscle) is reachable. Bikers are under such a crossfire simply because they were prolly the first to enter (together with crosscountry on snow..... how do you call it?) because of the HUGE advantage one biker can reach simply by rising the hemoglobin level... and then GH and paraphernalia came. Being a MD, I can tell you of how many people in the most different sports is looking for some juice. For instance, you know soccer is religion here in old EU, you can't imagine how much dope is entering soccer.

**Benny Profane** · 07-20-2004, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by L7

I heard recently that Lemond was a bad drunk philandering pig down in Vegas for a trade show who couldn't keep a drink from hitting the floor in 3 tries. Relating that story would just be spurious rumour mongering though. Oh wait that's what he's doing.... at least I spoke directly to someone who witnessed his whole behaviour first hand.

You know, he does look a bit bloated. But all Tour champs never look good even a few years after their reign. One wonders what Lance will look like in 8 years.

**scoober** · 07-20-2004, 08:50 AM

my point, and one that i don't even really care to argue is that someone 'clean' today compared with someone 'clean' even in Lemond's era has an advantage, albeit slight, when it comes to knowledge of nutrition.

there are also a lot of other little things that can add up as well. you go pedal Lemond's team Z bike up Ventoux, and then pedal LA's Trek Madone and see how your times differ.

but these are not why some riders are significantly better these days... people are obviously on drugs. i just dont think LA is. as an individual he has a lot of people behind him that he wants to win for, not to mention wanting to win for himself.

**Telephil** · 07-20-2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by verbier61
There has not been any serious improvement in the gear, nor in the training, so wtf has changed?

I would beg to differ on both of these fronts, gear has improved, training has improved, nutrition has improved. Every year things get better and better. Athletes get stronger and stronger. Too bad we can't try an experiment like putting Ullrich Or Basso on a Trek and have them coached by Carmichael, would there be a difference? Who knows. Why do Phil Jacksons teams consistently do better than others (with the exception of this year). Is it because he coaches the best athletes, possibly, but that only supports the point that Lance is just that, the best athlete in the tour, has been for nearly 5 years, and it looks like 6. Until there is ANY evidence of doping, there is no reason to believe otherwise.