the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

[mntlion]

if the movement is up/down, try a thin heel lift under your footbed (and you ARE using a good foot bed, right?)

or some padding on the outside of the liner tongue, around the flex point.

[PhishingME]

I have a heel lift but need to trim off the nub. It's the type you insert over the zeppa and under the liner. Using a highly modified footbed. Think I'll try on the 25s too.

[mntlion]

also look at the technica cochise 130pro. its a narrower shape, and try that in 25.


what is the shell fit like in the 25 OR 26 salomon?

[PhishingME]

Hard to tell. 1.25 on the cs to 1.50 on the quest.

[mntlion]

Hard to tell. 1.25 on the cs to 1.50 on the quest.

is that in cm? or ????

[PhishingME]

Fingers for lack of a ruler.

[mntlion]

5-15mm is the goal. I'll let you do the conversions.

[tavis]

Not exactly a fit question, but I'm hoping you can help. I've started to collect snow inside my boots. I have the first gen Cochise 120 (the brownish ones), and it seems like there is a gap developing between the triax just in front of the toe buckle, and the little rubber bit. If I crank down on the toe buckle, it seems to mostly seal the gap, but I'm already trying to find more room in the toe box, so i'd rather not do that. On my last couple of days, skiing in pretty light blower, i ended up with nearly 1/8" of snow under the toe of my liner. Can the rubber thing be replaced? Do I just need to live with it?

[mntlion]

Duct tape

Weather stripping

Boot glove

[Idyllwild]

Broke my big toe 2 weeks ago and now have a lot of pain on the medial side of the big toe (1st knuckle) when putting on my boot. Skied 15 days in them before and no problems. Seems like shit healed weird and now I need to punch shell...
Have you had this issue with people breaking bones and now boots fit differently?

[mntlion]

problems with skiing? or getting the boot on/off?

if skiing, yes punch, if on/off let it heal, then see,

common, broken bones change the foots shape and function.

[Caucasian Asian]

Not exactly a fit question, but I'm hoping you can help. I've started to collect snow inside my boots. I have the first gen Cochise 120 (the brownish ones), and it seems like there is a gap developing between the triax just in front of the toe buckle, and the little rubber bit. If I crank down on the toe buckle, it seems to mostly seal the gap, but I'm already trying to find more room in the toe box, so i'd rather not do that. On my last couple of days, skiing in pretty light blower, i ended up with nearly 1/8" of snow under the toe of my liner. Can the rubber thing be replaced? Do I just need to live with it?

My brown Cochise 120s leak snow. Duct tape helps.

Broke my big toe 2 weeks ago and now have a lot of pain on the medial side of the big toe (1st knuckle) when putting on my boot. Skied 15 days in them before and no problems. Seems like shit healed weird and now I need to punch shell...
Have you had this issue with people breaking bones and now boots fit differently?

If you broke your toe two weeks ago, your toe hasn't healed yet.

[nickel]

So I've got some BD Factor MX in 26.5 which are pretty darn painfull. I'm starting to think they're just too small and I might be hooped. I've had a few punches done in the big toe area of both boots. I was experiencing heel pain but since adding medium heel lifts they're somewhat better, based on a day at the hill with no touring. I no longer experience significant pain in any one spot, but am now left with boots which make my feet go numb over time. It takes about 1hr to start feeling the tingle. It gets worse over the next couple hours until it feels like a burning sensation over most of my foot.

I've been to the shop from which I purchased the boots a number of times, to the point where I am sick of going there, I think they're sick of seeing me, and my boots still feel pretty bad. Resort skiing is moderately unpleasant, and touring is pretty close to unbearable. I feel like a total douche taking my boots off once an hour on the skintrack. I feel like I should take the things to a different bootfitter for a second opinion, but I'm wary of taking one shop's wares to another shop and asking for service. Do most good bootfitters normally do work on stuff bought elsewhere? I'll pay for someone to make these work. I've had enough work done to them that selling them isn't really an option.

So a few questions that you can answer that will help this out.

1) What is the shell fit like for length? About 5mm

2) What is the shell fit like for width? brushing both sides of the heel

3) Do you have any footebds? Yes, Surefoot customs




1) BOW with the buckles tighter or looser? Tighter goes numb faster. If I leave the buckles open on the uphill, hot spots appear on the heel.

2) BOW with thinner or thicker socks? All my ski socks are pretty thin. Haven't tried leggings thin.

3) BOW with any footbeds (custom, stock, none, etc)? Slightly better with custom footbed

4) BOW skiing, standing, or feet un-weighted (hanging off a chair lift)? Better hanging off a chairlift with back of binding on the foot rest

5) BOW thru out the day (and when does the pain start?) Resort only : they go numb after a couple runs and I can go to my happy place. Touring they become unbearable requiring removal for 2 minutes every hour or so after about 2-3 hours of skinning.

6) BOW on the first vs the third day? same

7) BOW on harder or easier terrain? Worse on harder terrain I think.

8) BOW with the power straps (velcro straps) tighter or looser? Better looser

9) BOW if you do any particular movements, or actions?Better if I don't wiggle my feet in the boot at all, keeping toes still.

10) Any medical, health, or weight changes since you used them last? No, but they never felt good.

[mntlion]

1) toe pain- bigger punch for toe , has the liner been cut of stretched too?

2) numbness- lower boot board, thin out footbed.

3) they might just be wrong fit, or wrong size?

4) 1/2 the work I do is on peoples own boots, 1/2 is selling new. I charge for my work on used boots, its $30 min charge.

[oftpiste]

Well, I found out WTF was wrong with my Krypton Pros the other day after wondering for several days why I couldn't get the binding to hold my left boot without it wiggling in the clamp. The goddam heel block was almost completely broken off! .

[nickel]

1) toe pain- bigger punch for toe , has the liner been cut of stretched too? What do you mean by liner cut or stretched? I think neither, liner has about 30 days on it and is more or less like new. Heat molded once.

2) numbness- lower boot board, thin out footbed. I had a look under the boot board and it's shaped in such a way that lowering will not be possible. My footbeds are quite thin in both the heel and toe area with substantial arch support

3) they might just be wrong fit, or wrong size? Yeah, I've pondered this. I think I need to find a good bootfitter to confirm/refute. I re-examined shell fit yesterday and it's probably just under 10mm upon further inspection. Just under one finger.

4) 1/2 the work I do is on peoples own boots, 1/2 is selling new. I charge for my work on used boots, its $30 min charge.This makes me feel better about jumping ship to comfier boot pastures. I have a dream that one day touring boots will be sold in establishments also containing great boot fitters.

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[mntlion]

Get shell punched and liner stretched too

Thin boot board from top?

Thin foot bed out. Every mm counts

[lotsarocks]

I need help choosing a boot. I ski pretty aggressively, 6'1" 235 stalky stone mason build. Currently I have cochise pro 130. I have had a ton of problems with these. When cold they ski great but once in the 20's they feel soft and the buckles start to pop open. I feel there is too much room from ankle to under cuff. So I plan to keep them for the little touring I do. I have wide feet and skinny ankle to calf. I size down 1 size and I like more forward lean than upright. I ski in the east when soft I'm in the woods and when firm I like to carve. Skiis fischer progressor, volkl mantra, line influence 115, volkl shiro.
I tried the atomic redster 130 and found that I am over flexing them in the forefoot fitter said. I tried a few other atomic 130 boots but all felt soft. Fitter recommended more of a race boot. Is this where I should be headed? Boots available to me are atomic, nordica, tecnica. Thanks

[Timberridge]

I tried the atomic redster 130 and found that I am over flexing them in the forefoot fitter said.

I'm confused by this.

I have the prior year Redster 130 WC and I don't think they changed the flex any. I'm 6'1" 200# and its one of the stiffest 130 boots I have been in. Bear in mind any boot will flex softer in a 70 degree room.

If it's some sort of sole flex, I've never noticed that. The Redster comes with multiple flex boot boards, I use the white (softest) one.

[cnfeilrogoc9]

Boots available to me are atomic, nordica, tecnica.

[lotsarocks]

I understand the temperature in shop will make softer and is why I've come here for opinions.

[mntlion]

buy a race boot, and get the fitter to work on them as needed. will help to hold your chicken leg in place, and will be stiffer too.
down side: no walk mode, no vibram sole.
up side: narrower fit, stiffer flex

[Timberridge]

buy a race boot, and get the fitter to work on them as needed. will help to hold your chicken leg in place, and will be stiffer too.
down side: no walk mode, no vibram sole, cold as fuck.
up side: narrower fit, stiffer flex

FIFY

[lotsarocks]

Cold as fuck due to tight fit or other factors?
My cochise ski nice in the mornings but the afternoons feel real sloppy. I attribute this to temp change but are there other factors at play? Loss of fluid in feet or something?

[Timberridge]

Cold as fuck due to tight fit or other factors?

The stock liners are very thin comparatively. i.e., the redster 130 WC (more race oriented) has a thinner liner (and different liner) than the redster pro 130 (more a freeski boot).

When its 0 F out, I can't ski very long in the WC's before needing a break. If you get into the 150+ boots, its 100% thin liners. 150+ are also too stiff for me but YMMV.