Maggot snowmobile thread

[skibrd]

Handled that much better lol the skis never touch the ground

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I had a 2021 turbo 175 Ski-Doo and you’d be surprised at how planted the long track sled was. It was easier to ride then my friends non turbo 165s and 154s. The instant access to power made it a really really easy machine to do anything you wanted on. I’d get another in a heart beat if I had a reason to.


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[Jason4]

If you've ever pulled Rev Summit control arms or track, then you know what I'm talking about.

Polaris are so easy to work on. Just much more intuitive for this mechanic.

FWIW, I've never needed to do a single repair to my Axys outside of naintenance and mods. She's a runner.

I haven't pulled a track but I've had to swap out most of a front end on an XP once and I've had the hood off on the Gen4s a few times to swap to finger throttles. The last wrenching I did was swapping a set of Fox shocks onto my Gen4. It was all optional and all very straight forward. My experience with Polaris is heavily influenced by our local forecaster's sleds. It seems like a lot of the time they foul plugs shortly after a cold start and the forecasters are all pretty good at swapping plugs on the trail. My sled runs hot, especially if I find myself 2-up on a firm trail on my way up to the zone.

BTW, anyone need a 2018 Summit SP with low miles located in WA? I shouldn't sell it because it's never given me any problems but I'm replacing it with the fancier sled that runs hotter.

[John_B]

I haven't pulled a track but I've had to swap out most of a front end on an XP once and I've had the hood off on the Gen4s a few times to swap to finger throttles. The last wrenching I did was swapping a set of Fox shocks onto my Gen4. It was all optional and all very straight forward. My experience with Polaris is heavily influenced by our local forecaster's sleds. It seems like a lot of the time they foul plugs shortly after a cold start and the forecasters are all pretty good at swapping plugs on the trail. My sled runs hot, especially if I find myself 2-up on a firm trail on my way up to the zone.

BTW, anyone need a 2018 Summit SP with low miles located in WA? I shouldn't sell it because it's never given me any problems but I'm replacing it with the fancier sled that runs hotter.

I could be your huckleberry depending on some details and price. The other sled that I've got my eye on right now is a 2014 rmk 800 pro w/ a 164 track. Does anyone have a feel on what one of those would be worth? 1k miles and has been used by a skier so mostly treated pretty gently. I'm taking a look at it in a few weeks, anything in particular I should look at?

[CHAIR_97]

I could be your huckleberry depending on some details and price. The other sled that I've got my eye on right now is a 2014 rmk 800 pro w/ a 164 track. Does anyone have a feel on what one of those would be worth? 1k miles and has been used by a skier so mostly treated pretty gently. I'm taking a look at it in a few weeks, anything in particular I should look at?

I had a hard time getting 3500 for my 15 pro with 2400 miles. I'd say they're anywhere between 3 and 5k , 5k for sleds with under a thousand miles at least here in western WA.
Gotta say it was a very reliable sled but after a demo on an 850 khaos I knew immediately I was selling my pro

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[Foggy_Goggles]

$4-5K for the Pro and $7-8K for the Gen 4? Ha Vic...if you don't want to buy it, don't demo it. Applies to most things. I'm in a similar situation. I may be upgrading to a Gen 4 Turbo which I defiantly don't need. But I got baller friends that hook me up with their hand me downs.

[CHAIR_97]

$4-5K for the Pro and $7-8K for the Gen 4? Ha Vic...if you don't want to buy it, don't demo it. Applies to most things. I'm in a similar situation. I may be upgrading to a Gen 4 Turbo which I defiantly don't need. But I got baller friends that hook me up with their hand me downs.

Only regret I have is not getting on the new platform sooner

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[skibrd]

Only regret I have is not getting on the new platform sooner

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Mountain sledding is the only sport where each platform makes a HUGE improvement, not the usual “huge” improvement that’s not really much, I’m looking at you bike industry…


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[Jason4]

Mountain sledding is the only sport where each platform makes a HUGE improvement, not the usual “huge” improvement that’s not really much, I’m looking at you bike industry…


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Meh, bikes in general are a mature product and mountain bikes specifically are getting close. There was a lot of change while I was out of bikes between 2010 and 2020, mostly geometry changes that were facilitated by dropper posts.

Sleds on the other hand seem like they are tip toeing along a trend line afraid to commit to overshooting the comfort zone of the current customers. Every generation mountain sleds get narrower, taller, and more "rider forward" but it's incremental. I want to see a prototype with 30" ski width, a 14" track, stack the engine and clutches vertically to move the COG even higher, and body panels and boards that are made to slide in one direction but edge in the other (like skis!). This is too radical for the market as a generational change but I want to see a bookend to see how far is too far in the direction they are currently headed.

[North]

stack the engine and clutches vertically to move the COG even higher,

Don't think you want that inertia up high. Ski Doo gang doesn't seem to mind that their clutches are up higher than everybody else's, but I don't think they're considered the most nimble of the options either - that title typically goes to Polaris with a more standard clutch layout. Cat's laydown engines are designed for lowest COG. There are of course a lot of design elements at play and conditions are a major variable but anecdotally I feel "tippiest" feel goes Polaris -> Cat -> Doo.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Only time before a conversation about snowmobiles went the fanboi route. Is "tippiness" proxy for "easy to get on edge"? From Gen 4/and Matryx forward, they are all similarly capable. For technical terrain (where is matters), I think a lot of lighter weight riders run their front shocks to stiff. A softer front shock allows the the inside ski to initially "pick up" to set the side hill. Also, the trend to a loose limiter straps can affect side hill performance.

Set up is weird. Sometimes was seems small can make a huge difference in feel. I think this is why there is so much disagreement. The performance is objectively good but different riders prefer different thinks, just like skiing. If you have two sleds in your group that are the same chassis, this is a good way to check this out.

I've you've got the time and motivation, having a set up day is fun. Pick a spot when you can loop back to the truck, bring all the tools and do it.

Does anyone have a handlebar bag they like that doesn't close $300?

[Jason4]

Don't think you want that inertia up high. Ski Doo gang doesn't seem to mind that their clutches are up higher than everybody else's, but I don't think they're considered the most nimble of the options either - that title typically goes to Polaris with a more standard clutch layout. Cat's laydown engines are designed for lowest COG. There are of course a lot of design elements at play and conditions are a major variable but anecdotally I feel "tippiest" feel goes Polaris -> Cat -> Doo.

I wouldn't want the secondary clutch above the engine either, I was thinking more along the lines of lifting the engine a bit and clocking the secondary forward and more under the engine instead of behind the engine. Raising the suspension would also move the COG up and it's what I did on my sled with a pair of taller spindles. I think the rear suspension needs to be lifted to get the full effect but that's what the trend seems to be very slowly moving towards from the Big 2.5.

[John_B]

I could be your huckleberry depending on some details and price. The other sled that I've got my eye on right now is a 2014 rmk 800 pro w/ a 164 track. Does anyone have a feel on what one of those would be worth? 1k miles and has been used by a skier so mostly treated pretty gently. I'm taking a look at it in a few weeks, anything in particular I should look at?

Well the 2014 RMK that had "bumper damage that is all good now” had a quite dented pipe, a replaced piece of carbon overstructure that had shattered from the impact and a hood that was held together by zipties. It looked like things probably would have been fine but I'm not chancing it at an asking price of 4.4k.

[CHAIR_97]

Well the 2014 RMK that had "bumper damage that is all good now” had a quite dented pipe, a replaced piece of carbon overstructure that had shattered from the impact and a hood that was held together by zipties. It looked like things probably would have been fine but I'm not chancing it at an asking price of 4.4k.

Tunnel is probably bent by footwells ask me how I know

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[ironhippy]

Sleds on the other hand seem like they are tip toeing along a trend line afraid to commit to overshooting the comfort zone of the current customers. Every generation mountain sleds get narrower, taller, and more "rider forward" but it's incremental. I want to see a prototype with 30" ski width, a 14" track, stack the engine and clutches vertically to move the COG even higher, and body panels and boards that are made to slide in one direction but edge in the other (like skis!). This is too radical for the market as a generational change but I want to see a bookend to see how far is too far in the direction they are currently headed.

I don't know about the mountain sled community, but the ski doo tundra is built specifically for narrow spaces and to be "tippy" and put on it's side.

Yet, their customers routinely put ski skins and wideners on them to "make them more stable" completely defeating the purpose of their primary function. These customers should be buying expeditions, but they buy a Tundra.

The newer model's of tundra are less tippy than the older version, I assume for this reason.

The masses are not looking for an athletic experience when they recreate on motorized vehicles, they want it to be easy.

[Foggy_Goggles]

and this is why a. try not to wreck your sled b. learn to grab your brake c. only buy snowmobiles from trusted sellers

as soon as I can solving this working too much problems I've had lately, its time to bring the sled into the garage and do a bit of fall maintenance. Chaincase oil, brake fluid, grease everything, clean clutches, belt deflection, bolt check.

[SDW]

I don't know about the mountain sled community... The masses are not looking for an athletic experience when they recreate on motorized vehicles, they want it to be easy.

Mountain snowmobiling is a very athletic pursuit.

[crashidy]

I wouldn't want the secondary clutch above the engine either, I was thinking more along the lines of lifting the engine a bit and clocking the secondary forward and more under the engine instead of behind the engine. Raising the suspension would also move the COG up and it's what I did on my sled with a pair of taller spindles. I think the rear suspension needs to be lifted to get the full effect but that's what the trend seems to be very slowly moving towards from the Big 2.5.

Sounds to me like to want a snow bike

[Jason4]

I don't know about the mountain sled community, but the ski doo tundra is built specifically for narrow spaces and to be "tippy" and put on it's side.

Yet, their customers routinely put ski skins and wideners on them to "make them more stable" completely defeating the purpose of their primary function. These customers should be buying expeditions, but they buy a Tundra.

The newer model's of tundra are less tippy than the older version, I assume for this reason.

The masses are not looking for an athletic experience when they recreate on motorized vehicles, they want it to be easy.

It's obvious that you and I are not talking about the same thing. Mountain sleds are getting narrower and "easier to flick" which means more tippy. Trail sleds are not the same as mountain sleds. Utility sleds are the opposite end of the spectrum.

[Jason4]

Sounds to me like to want a snow bike

Nope, I want all of the advantages of a sled with the access that a bike brings, I really don't want a single ski but a narrow ski stance is the direction the mountain sleds are going, someone should make a big jump, everything else is boring and predictable.

[skibrd]

Mountain snowmobiling is a very athletic pursuit.

A good day mountain sledding had me as tired as a college hockey 2 game weekend, or a 2 day adult rugby tournament. Truly one of the most full body work outs, pure exhaustion.


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[Foggy_Goggles]

A good day mountain sledding had me as tired as a college hockey 2 game weekend, or a 2 day adult rugby tournament. Truly one of the most full body work outs, pure exhaustion.


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Ha...dont tell. Otherwise, they'll be a bunch of "athletes" showing up at the trailhead.

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[ironhippy]

It's obvious that you and I are not talking about the same thing. Mountain sleds are getting narrower and "easier to flick" which means more tippy. Trail sleds are not the same as mountain sleds. Utility sleds are the opposite end of the spectrum.

yeah, good point. I'm just bitter they are turning their only narrow utility sled into everything else.

it's good they are still providing a sled for the enthusiasts instead of catering to masses

Although I'm not nearly as active as a mountain sledder, I can't sit still due to the terrain and I spend a lot of time shovelling and muscling the sled and implements around, usually late at night but it's faster and easier than breaking trail with a snowdog.

I did get a snowjack for last season and that has saved a huge amount of time getting the tundra unstuck.

[bigwaterbird]

I wear myself out getting my sled unstuck more than anything. But yeah…it’s a workout.
On the topic of preseason mods…adding a tunnel cooler to my Poo as the stock cooling is pretty inefficient. Looking to offset the weight by going to a lithium battery. Anyone running one they like? Yeah, I know all about the “they don’t like the cold” argument…I’ll just pull start first thing in the morning and warm it up that way.

[riff]

I put MTNTEK tunnel coolers on a ‘12 rmk 600 and a ‘17 Axys and both are way better now.


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[bigwaterbird]

I put MTNTEK tunnel coolers on a ‘12 rmk 600 and a ‘17 Axys and both are way better now.


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Exactly what I’m installing. The thing just gets too warm riding icy Maine trails on the way to the deep stuff.