formula 1 maggots

[PNWbrit]

It all comes down to how you use them.

It is a problem when F1 drivers are being instructed no to race for position but to conserve tires. Many of the F1 drivers have commented on this being not what they want to have to do. After six or seven laps on soft tires in China an F1 car would lap slower than a GP2 car.

Conversely FIA World Endurance Championship opener at Silverstone was raced flat out flag to flag.

Something is very wrong.

[hutash]

True, but it applies to all drivers and teams, so it is fair across the field, unlike say aerodynamics which goes to the team with the bigggest budget. To a certain degree, same can be said for the driver, the best driver goes to the team most able to pay him. Tires, on the other hand are the same for all the teams. In that respect Merussia(sp?) is on equal footing as Red Bull. That said, I agree the softs were a shitty tire for Sundays race.

[PNWbrit]

[Cross]

It is not just the tires preventing teams from racing flag to flag. The engines and gearboxes are also preserved by slowing the cars to certain lap times. With F1 it almost has to be done or you would almost never see any close racing.

[PNWbrit]

It is not just the tires preventing teams from racing flag to flag. The engines and gearboxes are also preserved by slowing the cars to certain lap times. With F1 it almost has to be done or you would almost never see any close racing.

I think the limits (or actually required lifespans of engines//gearboxes) are a completely different issue to the current tires which completely dominate the racing. They were introduced to limit expenditure as much as anything and to try and prevent manufacturers being priced out of the sport. They don't prevent the teams racing flag to flag at all.

The Pirelli tires were designed to "spice up" the racing... the problem is that they didn't adequately define what "spice up" meant and threw in too many other spices at same time - DRS zones and re-introducing KERS.

[Hugh Conway]

I think the limits (or actually required lifespans of engines//gearboxes) are a completely different issue to the current tires which completely dominate the racing. They were introduced to limit expenditure as much as anything and to try and prevent manufacturers being priced out of the sport. They don't prevent the teams racing flag to flag at all.

eh? take Malaysia where Webber dialed back his engine with the magic dial back button - to extend it's life - and coast on in.

[hutash]

eh? take Malaysia where Webber dialed back his engine with the magic dial back button - to extend it's life - and coast on in.

Team orders to dial the engine back was not only to preserve engine/trans, but to prevent the kind of silliness the two are known for. Had they raced head to head, touched and both crashed out the constructors money (which is huge and what they actually race for) could be gone. It was more a common sense decision then to preserve equipment.

[PNWbrit]

eh? take Malaysia where Webber dialed back his engine with the magic dial back button - to extend it's life - and coast on in.

The multi21 instruction to both red Bull drivers was that they weren't to race each other over closing stages of race... perhaps combined with fuel shortage problem that Webber may have had. As far as I've read. I don't think there was any particular concern about engine life was there? If they hadn't have had the engine life rules, I have no doubt that the team would have given the same "bring home the 1-2 finish as safely and slowly as you can" instruction.

But later in the season they'd have instructed Webber to hand over the lead?

[Hugh Conway]

The multi21 instruction to both red Bull drivers was that they weren't to race each other over closing stages of race... perhaps combined with fuel shortage problem that Webber may have had. As far as I've read. I don't think there was any particular concern about engine life was there? If they hadn't have had the engine life rules, I have no doubt that the team would have given the same "bring home the 1-2 finish as safely and slowly as you can" instruction.

If there's no concern why'd he switch to a detuned engine mapping? There's 8 engines a season/driver allowed; makes sense to conserve at the beginning.

Which is independent, somewhat, to me of the team orders.

[PNWbrit]

The analysis I've read was that Webber was short of fuel to run hard to finish, Vettel had lost track position due to timing of his (last?) pit stop and that there was prior team order that they wouldn't race each other following last stop. Hence the multi 21 order.

I don't think that engine life particularly had much of anything to do with it, other than if they weren't racing each other or anyone else they'd turn the mapping down.

You could actually perhaps argue that if the engines were free and therefore less reliable in the development race for power and more revs, weaker transmissions etc. that such turn it down and coast to the finish orders might be even more common? It'll be happening next year for sure with new engine format and inevitable unreliability.

[Hugh Conway]

Red Bull has Gill Jones (female) go up to accept the 4th podium spot in Bahrain? Awesome. Equally good is the general distaste for rose water all around.

[iceman]

Interesting artice for the 2/4/'13 issue of The New Yorker about Adrian Newey, "Aerodynamicist" for the Red Bull team and an interesting cat. No idea if it's been posted before, sorry.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_mcgrath

[PNWbrit]

Germany's Suddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported on Wednesday that Ecclestone had been charged with two financial offences by the prosecutor's office in Munich following a two-year investigation into his involvement with Gribkowsky.

[Bobby Finstock]

I guess Bernie will be missing the German GP this year (again).

The Kimi to Red Bull rumors bum me out.

[PNWbrit]

The Kimi to Red Bull rumors bum me out.

I don't know about that.... it might be the only way we'll ever really find out how good Vettel actually is?

Anyway more interesting to me is that earlier this week it seemed a distinct possibility that there might not even be a Red Bull team next year.

[Hugh Conway]

Germany's Suddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported on Wednesday that Ecclestone had been charged with two financial offences by the prosecutor's office in Munich following a two-year investigation into his involvement with Gribkowsky.

He should have had the same people who airbrushed his attention whore of a daughter do his finances. NSFW Tamara in Playboy

[Bobby Finstock]

Anyway more interesting to me is that earlier this week it seemed a distinct possibility that there might not even be a Red Bull team next year.

Is this about the tires?

[PNWbrit]

Is this about the tires?

Sounds like Mateschitz held gun to Ecclestone's head, this is not what we're here for was gist of what he said.

Pirelli went from nothing is wrong this is how they asked us to do it to now we use the Red Bull friendly 2012 tires from Canada onwards.

It would not surprise me if Pirelli announce soon that they are pulling out of F1 at end of this year when contract expires.

[PNWbrit]

Pigeon plays chicken with GP2 car at Monaco

[Bobby Finstock]

British GP being bumped by ass sniffing steroid freaks in lycra. NBC

[hutash]

???8:30 am NBCSPORTS NETWORK. Not live, but neither is LE Tour, is at 9:30.

[Cross]

The F1 race is live on CNBC. can't remember what time it is early.

[Vt-Freeheel]

No shortage of flats today.

[hutash]

No shortage of shitty Pirelli tires today.

FIFY, Pirellii has some explaining to do.

What a fiasco, but the last five laps were fun to watch.

[PNWbrit]

but the last five laps were fun to watch.

That and Alonso's huge oversteery moment at Maggotts/Becketts in qualifying.