RIP Paul Johnson Jr.

[dusty bottoms]

Originally posted by p-tex
This just in.....Religious fanaticism sucks no matter who/what you believe in.

i think the captain obvious password is "obvious"

[drugged_monkey]

Originally posted by dubu
This whole thing is so fd up...

look there just no better way to say it, if you honestly think that he had it coming because he was a "mercenary" you need to get out of your house once in a while and think about the issues and not go straight to some bullshit response.

If you're talking to me (guessing from similar verbage but not following the thinking) please go read my posts again.

I said a "mercenary of sorts" and have outlined the my usage of that word. I also used the words "had it coming" as saying I hadn't said anything like that.

And believe me I spend more than enough time thinking about the issues. If in fact this paragraph was a response to my posts you didn't bother to think when reading them as "had it coming" was completely the opposite of what I said.

[TJ.Brk]

Ok guys. This has become a dead horse, and we've all killed it. If we keep this up then I will be forced to get drunk and post some really stupid shit. Atleast more than I already do

[dubu]

Originally posted by tuffy109
a la Israel. I guess it's all right for some, but not for others.

yea but the muslim community wants to erradicate Israel, shit as a matter a fact in the past 50 year the country was almost erradicated twice. But that is a whole new can of worms.

Also people that visit Isreal wont get beheaded/stoned because they are not Jews. However what do you think will happen to you if you are Jewish/Christian/(insert random non muslim religion here) and visit certain parts of SA. Hint: Look at the title of the thread.

[tuffy109]

Originally posted by dubu
yea but the muslim community wants to erradicate Israel

like christians during the crusades?

do you think mr johnsons captors didn't know what he did? do you think the other westerners that have been killed during the past two months were there on vacation?

[natty dread]

Originally posted by TJ.Brk
Ok guys. This has become a dead horse, and we've all killed it. If we keep this up then I will be forced to get drunk and post some really stupid shit. Atleast more than I already do

TJ why is it that in many threads where there is lively debate and strong feelings, there comes a point where you see yourself as the arbiter of whether further debate of that subject is "beating a dead horse." In fact you've used this very expression before. Just curious as to why a thread should be finished when you think it should be. You sound like a holier than thou, officious schoolteacher trying to regain order in the classroom with your "ok guys."

[Buster Highmen]

Oh sheesh, lay off TJ. After all, he is the dead horse.

[Spats]

It's amazing how Bush and his neocon cronies have managed to completely piss away all the goodwill the US received after 9/11/2001 in under three years.

Let's go down the checklist:
-Link between Saddam Hussein and Al-Qaeda. There is none. Bush and his administration deliberately lied to the world.
-WMDs in Iraq. There are none. The poison gas he had previously used on his own people was known and approved by Donald Rumsfeld and the Reagan administration. Here's Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...ndshake300.jpg
Here's the article:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/press.htm
-Abuse and torture of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.
http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/...le2-larger.jpg
-The USA operates secret detention centers around the world. People "disappear" into them.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...detainees_dc_4

The United States is now a dictatorship. George Bush, Dick Cheney, and their administration have placed themselves above the Constitution, above international law, and above any minimal standard of human decency. I can only hope and work for the day when they will be prosecuted as war criminals, as they deserve.

Given all these facts, is it surprising that we are now in danger of being taken hostage iand beheaded if we choose to travel? I feel terrible for the guy, but what the hell did we expect to happen?

[dubu]

Originally posted by tuffy109
like christians during the crusades?

do you think mr johnsons captors didn't know what he did? do you think the other westerners that have been killed during the past two months were there on vacation?

alright I'll play.

Muslims first invaded europe in 711, throught spain, then they went well into France, eventually they got repelled back to the Pyrenees.

The First crusade was in the 11th century.

[tuffy109]

Originally posted by dubu
alright I'll play.

Muslims first invaded europe in 711, throught spain, then they went well into France, eventually they got repelled back to the Pyrenees.

The First crusade was in the 11th century.

so this is all filed under "revenge"?

[iceman]

Originally posted by tuffy109
so this is all filed under "revenge"?

In that part of the world, everything is.

[mr_gyptian]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
May the tragic death of this one man illuminate the horror and pathology of a remark like this.

Honor life, give respect.

Weird, Buster jumping on his old gray mare high horse. Doesn't Paul Johnson Jr. fall under your casualty of revolution file?? Or is the Al Qaeda movement not measure up to your own "movement". I guess the members of Al Qaeda don't pass the "oppressed rich white kid" test do they?

you ring so hollow.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by mr_gyptian
Weird, Buster jumping on his old gray mare high horse. Doesn't Paul Johnson Jr. fall under your casualty of revolution file??

No. And making light of his death or the suffering of others is beyond the pale.

Or is the Al Qaeda movement not measure up to your own "movement".

That reminds me, time for my ex-lax. Please try taking yours after you post rather than before.

I guess the members of Al Qaeda don't pass the "oppressed rich white kid" test do they?

you ring so hollow.

???

Someday, maybe you'll realize that you're out of college and not everyone who disagrees with you is some trustafarian space cadet. Then again, maybe not.

Unfortunately, you continue to advertise your own jingoist sociopathic demeanor to the exclusion of anything reasonable you might have to say. What a waste.

Go sell some more cars.

[truth]

Originally posted by dusty bottoms
so says the lame plague of the board.

Lame or not the true plague of the board are those that hide behind feeble alias.

[splat]

Soon after the events of September 11, the administration of George W. Bush announced a wide-ranging campaign to improve the image of America in Arab countries and in the greater Muslim world. One year later, its results appear unimpressive: a recent Pew Research Center poll found increasingly unfavorable international views of the U.S., "most dramatically, in Muslim societies."

A U.S. cable recording the December 20, 1983 conversation between Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein. Although Rumsfeld said during a September 21, 2002 CNN interview, "In that visit, I cautioned him about the use of chemical weapons, as a matter of fact, and discussed a host of other things," the document indicates there was no mention of chemical weapons. Rumsfeld did raise the issue in his subsequent meeting with Iraqi official Tariq Aziz.

National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 114 of November 26, 1983, "U.S. Policy toward the Iran-Iraq War," delineating U.S. priorities: the ability to project military force in the Persian Gulf and to protect oil supplies, without reference to chemical weapons or human rights concerns.

"The United States finds the present Iranian regime's intransigent refusal to deviate from its avowed objective of eliminating the legitimate government of neighboring Iraq to be inconsistent with the accepted norms of behavior among nations and the moral and religious basis which it claims."
__________________________________________________ __

Aside from the objective absolutely being oil, the US gave Hussien the chemical weapons, Rumsfeld continues to lie like the devil (oh, wait he is the devil), Bush keeps telling us he's gonna school the world how good we are by saying ousting governments is bad in the world community. And throughout the whole thing Cheney, is banking our money into Bush's account.

I agree with mr_egyptian - these are the kind of people I want to emulate and give charge to everyone's well-being.

They should be put on the next bus to Baghdad.

[Bender]

Originally posted by TJ.Brk
Ok guys. This has become a dead horse, and we've all killed it. If we keep this up then I will be forced to get drunk and post some really stupid shit. Atleast more than I already do

Being bad feels pretty good, huh?

[truth]

Unconfrimed reports from Saudi Arabia are stating that the top Al Qaeda leader in SA was just killed. So much for Saudi Arabia not being a war zone.

[Bender]

I wanna be an airborne ranger, I wanna be put in danger......

[AntiSoCalSkier]

Originally posted by truth
Lame or not the true plague of the board are those that hide behind feeble alias.

The alias is tuffy109. He's using it over on the Mammoth Forums too.

[Platinum Pete]

Originally posted by truth
Unconfrimed reports from Saudi Arabia are stating that the top Al Qaeda leader in SA was just killed. So much for Saudi Arabia not being a war zone.

That kind of tit-for-tat, assassination for assassanation policy has worked so well in Israel. Why can't our leaders come up with a better plan?

[bad_roo]

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/...le2-larger.jpg

It's amazing the rosy glow of satisfaction you can get just from introducing Naked Twister to a foreign culture.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by Platinum Pete
That kind of tit-for-tat, assassination for assassanation policy has worked so well in Israel. Why can't our leaders come up with a better plan?

Actually, if you look at how many bombings there have been in Israel recently, you'll see that the policy seems to be having a positive effect. Most of the recent suicide bombers have been teenagers who have only succeeded in blowing up themselves, or being stopped. The problem for us might be that our intelligence is lacking (unfortunately, no big surprise anymore) and our attacks don't disrupt the leadership the same way Israel's have--plus the fact that we decided to occupy a country without adequate troop levels/planning.

And comparing Israel to any of the Arab dictatorships is absurd.

[Game Over]

Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
And comparing Israel to any of the Arab dictatorships is absurd.

I would have to say that Isreal is dealing with terror in the same manner we are.

get attacked > retaliate by shooting missles, removing leaders.

[mr_gyptian]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
No. And making light of his death or the suffering of others is beyond the pale.


That reminds me, time for my ex-lax. Please try taking yours after you post rather than before.


???

Someday, maybe you'll realize that you're out of college and not everyone who disagrees with you is some trustafarian space cadet. Then again, maybe not.

Unfortunately, you continue to advertise your own jingoist sociopathic demeanor to the exclusion of anything reasonable you might have to say. What a waste.

Go sell some more cars.

jingoist?? do you stutter or are you on repeat. that has to be the twentieth time you've called me a jingoist. Try xenophobe, or if you can work in bellicose anywhere I'm sure the rest of the board would enjoy it.

I realize I hit close to home again by referencing your "movement". Hypocricy being laid bare is always tough to take.

I'm off to meet Rummy at the Racquet Club. He's giving a seminar on the proper back swing for our Baby Seal Clubbing team.

I'll be back in a bit.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Originally posted by steepconcrete
I would have to say that Isreal is dealing with terror in the same manner we are.

get attacked > retaliate by shooting missles, removing leaders.

Yes, but there are some differences. Israel has been far better about reducing civilian casualties than we have, and more effective in actually hitting the leaders. I believe that every single attack the U.S. launched at the start of the war (around 50, I don't remember exactly) that was supposed to kill Iraqi leadership was unsuccessful, and resulted in hundreds of civilian deaths.