One senator finally says 'enough'

[Tye 1on]

From Dodd's speech on the FISA bill on the floor:

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My father, Senator Tom Dodd, was the number two American prosecutor at the famous Nuremberg trials. And I have never, never forgotten the example he set.

As Justice Robert Jackson said in his opening statement at Nuremberg: “That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury, stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason.”

Mr. President, what is the tribute that Power owes to Reason?

That America stands for a transcendent idea.

The idea that laws should rule, not men.

The idea that the Constitution does not get suspended for vengeance.

The idea that this nation should never tailor its eternal principles to the conflict of the moment, because if we did, we would be walking in the footsteps of the enemies we despised.

The tribute that Power owes to Reason is due today. I know that we can find the strength to pay it. And if we can’t? We will all have to answer for it.

There’s a famous military recruiting poster that comes to mind. A man is sitting in an easy chair with his son and daughter on his lap, in some future after the war has ended. His daughter is asking him, “Daddy, what did you do in the war?” And his face is shocked and shamed, because he knows he did nothing.

My daughters, Grace and Christina, are six and three. They are growing up in a time of two great conflicts: one between our nation and its enemies, and another, between what is best and worst in our American soul. And someday soon, I know I am going to hear that question: “What did you do?” I want, more than anything else, to give the right answer.

That question is coming for every single one of us in this body. Every single one of us will be judged by a jury from whom there’s no hiding: our sons, our daughters, our grandchildren. Someday soon, they’ll read in their textbooks the story of a great nation, one that threw down tyrants and oppressors for two centuries; one that rid the world of Nazism and Soviet communism; one that proved that great strength can serve great virtue, that right can truly make might.

And then they will read how, in the early years of the 21st century, that nation lost its way.

We do not have the power to strike that chapter. No, Mr. President—we can’t go back.

We can’t un-destroy the CIA’s interrogation tapes. We can’t un-pass the Military Commissions Act. We can’t un-speak Alberto Gonzales’s disgraceful testimony. We can’t un-torture innocent people. And perhaps, sadly, shamefully, we cannot stop retroactive immunity. We can’t un-do anything that has been done in the last six years for the cause of lawlessness and fear.

We cannot blot out that chapter. But we can begin the next one, even today. Let its first words read: “Finally, in June 2008, the Senate said: ‘Enough.’”

I implore my colleagues to write it with me. I implore my colleagues to vote against retroactive immunity and vote against cloture tomorrow morning.
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http://dodd.senate.gov/index.php?q=node/4476

Pretty damn good speech.

[liv2ski]

FKNA.... good to hear someone there has a little morality.
Good speech.

[tuffy109]

oh, just wait til Fox News hears about this!

[summit]

great speech... i wonder if any of his colleagues will listen to him

[flyby]

good speech. hope someone listens.

[freezorburn]

So,

Terrorist should have the same rights that are granted to American people. They should be granted legal counsel and the right to appeal. Also they should have the right to sue the US.

Are You people out of your mind? They Slaughter innocent people in the name of god. Your saying the right of a terrorist is more important then the rights of the innocent.

What the Supreme Court ruled was an embarrassment. This may lead to another terrorist attack. Terrorists should be shot on the battle and only taken Prisoner by accident.


"a little morality" My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

[RootSkier]

freezorburn, resident TGR genius.

[PNWbrit]

oh, just wait til Fox News hears about this!

I guess they and Limbaugh must have already declared it thoughtcrime.

So,

Terrorist should have the same rights that are granted to American people. They should be granted legal counsel and the right to appeal. Also they should have the right to sue the US.

Are You people out of your mind? They Slaughter innocent people in the name of god. Your saying the right of a terrorist is more important then the rights of the innocent.

What the Supreme Court ruled was an embarrassment. This may lead to another terrorist attack. Terrorists should be shot on the battle and only taken Prisoner by accident.

"a little morality" My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

[Tye 1on]

So,

Terrorist should have the same rights that are granted to American people. They should be granted legal counsel and the right to appeal. Also they should have the right to sue the US.

Are You people out of your mind? They Slaughter innocent people in the name of god. Your saying the right of a terrorist is more important then the rights of the innocent.

What the Supreme Court ruled was an embarrassment. This may lead to another terrorist attack. Terrorists should be shot on the battle and only taken Prisoner by accident.


"a little morality" My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

you sir are a fucking idiot. Take your fear mongering elsewhere. What he is saying is that we historically were a nation of laws. When the administration twists arms of companies, who know the law, to do illegal acts, and then wants it to be swept under the rug, that's bullshit.

[Thrill Hammer]

Why does Chris Dodd hate America?

[Dantheman]

So,

Terrorist should have the same rights that are granted to American people. They should be granted legal counsel and the right to appeal. Also they should have the right to sue the US.

Are You people out of your mind? They Slaughter innocent people in the name of god. Your saying the right of a terrorist is more important then the rights of the innocent.

What the Supreme Court ruled was an embarrassment. This may lead to another terrorist attack. Terrorists should be shot on the battle and only taken Prisoner by accident.


"a little morality" My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

#1: The FISA bill has nothing to do with the recent SCOTUS ruling.

#2: You're a god damn retard.

[summit]

So,

Terrorist should have the same rights that are granted to American people. They should be granted legal counsel and the right to appeal. Also they should have the right to sue the US.

Are You people out of your mind? They Slaughter innocent people in the name of god. Your saying the right of a terrorist is more important then the rights of the innocent.

What the Supreme Court ruled was an embarrassment. This may lead to another terrorist attack. Terrorists should be shot on the battle and only taken Prisoner by accident.


"a little morality" My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

You are a moron. This debate is about revising FISA laws to further gut the 4th amendment in an unchallengeable manner and offering ex-post-facto immunity to companies that did this before this law would have made such violations "legal."

[freezorburn]

What he is saying is that we historically were a nation of laws. When the administration twists arms of companies, who know the law, to do illegal acts, and then wants it to be swept under the rug, that's bullshit.

"companies" ok, So this sentance is about companies

"We can’t un-destroy the CIA’s interrogation tapes. We can’t un-pass the Military Commissions Act. We can’t un-speak Alberto Gonzales’s disgraceful testimony. We can’t un-torture innocent people."

you sir are a fucking idiot.

Oh,Oh,oh! that hurt so bad! your a internet bully. Put down the joint and get back into that van your living in.

[Buster Highmen]

So,

Terrorist should have the same rights that are granted to American people. They should be granted legal counsel and the right to appeal. Also they should have the right to sue the US.

Are You people out of your mind? They Slaughter innocent people in the name of god. Your saying the right of a terrorist is more important then the rights of the innocent.

What the Supreme Court ruled was an embarrassment. This may lead to another terrorist attack. Terrorists should be shot on the battle and only taken Prisoner by accident.


"a little morality" My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

Your dumbness is blinding.

[summit]

You are focusing on particular parts of his rhetoric. This debate is about FISA, privacy, and the 4th Amendment.

[Rubicon]

get back into that van your living in.

What's wrong with living in a van?

[snowful]

#1: The FISA bill has nothing to do with the recent SCOTUS ruling.

#2: You're a god damn retard.

HAHA! An instant classic.

[Tippster]

We can't un-read what Freezerburn posted.

[grrrr]

My ass, this is more like "Total Stupidity"

You sir, would know about total stupidity. You exhibit it in a truly undeniable way.

[OldLarry]

http://dealbreaker.com/2008/06/chris...or_from_ba.php

[sirbumpsalot]

How about those preferential loans from CFC Senator Dodd took.....yeah thats a real 'moral' politician....

[liv2ski]

How about those preferential loans from CFC Senator Dodd took.....yeah thats a real 'moral' politician....

Off topic, but I am curious, what was the preferred rate/deal Dodd got? 4% instead of 6%. That would be a drop in the bucket when compared to all the other campaign finance / lobbyist BS that goes on around Congress.

[Steven S. Dallas]

How about those preferential loans from CFC Senator Dodd took.....yeah thats a real 'moral' politician....

There's a reason that story went nowhere- there was no story. He didn't know he was getting a better rate, and he donated the money he saved because of the lower rate to a charity organization.

Great speech, Chris Dodd. Shit like that makes me feel patriotic.

[PNWbrit]

http://dealbreaker.com/2008/06/chris...or_from_ba.php

What's your point? Or the relevance in regard to this speach?

Other than the phone companies probably regret not slipping him a few bucks?

[Todds]

Call and email your Senators and hope they listen.