Martial Arts

[Ted Striker]

His instructors:

Well played.

[Rubicon]

you miss out on the advancements in fighting 'technology" for a lack of a better term.

As an after thought...

I don't really consider most of what is going on today in the MMA community to be advancements. It is more like rearranging the pieces that already exist. The Gracies showed up and dominated the scene. Then others started incorporating grappling into their training and suddenly the Gracies aren't as dominant as they once were. Is this an advancement or just rounding out skill sets?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding how you are using the term advancement.

[Tippster]

Kumite!!

[gh444]

Bruch Lee was good for his time...in America. But he was impatient egotistical and belligerent. He had extra ordinary physical ability and grew impatient with the training in Hong Kong. His teacher was Yip Man who taught Lueng Ting who taught Steve Cottrell who taught me.

BL had only the beginning of the system. His understanding of it was incomplete and he didn't stick with it long enough to begin to understand it or develop kung fu with it. Which is why he felt there were deficiencies with it and begin adopting techniques from other arts to make up for the "weaknesses" of what he had been taught.





No, it wasn't. It was an example of small circle chan si ging. He used it as a parlor trick because that is all he know it to be. Chan si ging is how kung fu develops energy(force). Kung fu uses a spiraling movement starting in the legs, moving through the hips into the torso and out through the shoulders into the arms and finally through the hands into the opponent(there are all different sizes to these spirals. Each one has a specific characteristic to it and specific applications.) The movement is started with the larger, stronger muscles in the legs and and then accelerated in the hips and core. Each muscle group taking the energy and adding to it in a polymetric fashion and sending it on down the line to the next muscle group in the chain, gaining speed as it goes, until it is delivered to the target. When done correctly this whole movement is very fast and looks more like a shudder than anything else.

Different styles of kung fu are distinguished from each other by the type of chan si ging they generate and the techniques of each system are designed to move the body in a way that allows the development, and delivery, of the specific type of chan si ging unique to that particular style.

This is a skill that takes a while to develop and it takes the right collection of techniques to allow the pathways of motion to develop in order to move correctly to develop this kind of energy. This is why techniques in kung fu can't be mixed and matched.

Without chan si ging behind them, kung fu techniques aren't very effective. With chan si ging behind them kung fu techniques become something else entirely.

BL only had the most rudimentary understanding of this and how to do it. As I mentioned earlier, kung fu takes time, patience, and trust in your teacher to develop properly. BL had none of these.

Ok now I'm just laughing.

[Rubicon]

Ok now I'm just laughing.

That doesn't surprise me.

[Cono Este]

Personally, Ive splashed two blackbelts. One I caught in mid air, the other I gouged his eye balls out when he locked me up and went for a leg sweep.

But some say I am crazy.

[Jim J]

Personally, Ive splashed two blackbelts. One I caught in mid air, the other I gouged his eye balls out when he locked me up and went for a leg sweep.

But some say I am crazy.

I'm not surprised. A black belt doesn't mean much today in most martial arts. There are plenty of twelve year olds that can perform a kata, break a few boards and earn a black belt.

If you beat a BJJ black belt I would be impressed.

[DJSapp]

I'm not surprised. A black belt doesn't mean much today in most martial arts. There are plenty of twelve year olds that can perform a kata, break a few boards and earn a black belt.

If you beat a BJJ black belt I would be impressed.

A 'black belt' is a subjective award and it's merit completely depends on the school. There are many belt factories out there, and as long as you pay your monthly dues for a couple years you'll 'earn' your black belt. These school exist in BJJ as well since all the cool UFC fighters do it. Some schools just want to make a buck.

[Cono Este]

All right, I'll be fair.

He had 17 sierra nevada's in him, and he was my former brother in law. PLus his father is an eye surgeon, so trying to blind him caught him a little off guard.

Right now he is still stiring about it all some where in WI. If I only I was sober he was saying. he he he

[Jim J]

A 'black belt' is a subjective award and it's merit completely depends on the school. There are many belt factories out there, and as long as you pay your monthly dues for a couple years you'll 'earn' your black belt. These school exist in BJJ as well since all the cool UFC fighters do it. Some schools just want to make a buck.

BJJ is very new compared to other martial arts that have been in the US for decades. I'm sure eventually you are going to see some undeserving black belts. Right now the BJJ community is very close knit and has a strong emphasis on lineage and competition. Everyone knows who gave everyone else their black belt. You would not get a black belt if you didn't earn it.

You can't even earn a blue belt (the second belt for adults), until you are 16.

[Rubicon]

For those interested...

06-18-2008

His one-inch punch, for example, is just a sleight-of-hand parlour trick,

No, it wasn't. It was an example of small circle chan si ging. He used it as a parlor trick because that is all he know it to be. Chan si ging is how kung fu develops energy(force). Kung fu uses a spiraling movement starting in the legs, moving through the hips into the torso and out through the shoulders into the arms and finally through the hands into the opponent(there are all different sizes to these spirals. Each one has a specific characteristic to it and specific applications.) The movement is started with the larger, stronger muscles in the legs and and then accelerated in the hips and core. Each muscle group taking the energy and adding to it in a polymetric fashion and sending it on down the line to the next muscle group in the chain, gaining speed as it goes, until it is delivered to the target. When done correctly this whole movement is very fast and looks more like a shudder than anything else.

Different styles of kung fu are distinguished from each other by the type of chan si ging they generate and the techniques of each system are designed to move the body in a way that allows the development, and delivery, of the specific type of chan si ging unique to that particular style.

The Science Behind Bruce Lee’s Punching Power
May 27, 2014

The mighty one-inch punch does not rely solely on a quick arm but rather on Lee’s entire body. Jessica Rose, a biomechanical researcher at Stanford University, told Popular Mechanics that the force behind the fist starts with Lee’s equally deadly legs.

“When watching the one-inch punch, you can see that his leading and trailing legs straighten with a rapid, explosive knee extension,” Rose says. The quick preceding leg movement allows Lee to torque his hips with more power, and the hip twist allows him to turn his upper body that much faster. By the millisecond that Lee is actually using his shoulder to throw his hand forward, the strength of multiple muscle groups is already engaged. “Flicking his wrist just prior to impact may further increase the fist velocity,” said Rose.

http://nerdist.com/the-science-behin...unching-power/

[MagnificentUnicorn]

For those interested...

next you will tell us about your mastery of the five point palm exploding heart punch.

[Rubicon]

next you will tell us about your mastery of the five point palm exploding heart punch.

Afraid not. My master lost a thumb in an aggressive match of haiku-u-chop when he was younger. So I only learned the four point palm exploding heart punch.

[snapt]

I started rolling BJJ a night a week and holy sheet is it addicting.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

fighting is addicting.

[Grange]

I've been training Wu Ying Tao, Modern Arnis, and Arnis Jitsu since last winter and train all three 2-3 days a week. Modern Arnis is my favorite, though Arnis Jitsu is growing on me quite a bit. I training Shotokan throughout college, but couldn't find that style since. Wu Ying Tao is much different from Shotokan down to the stance.

[Chugachjed]

I started rolling BJJ a night a week and holy sheet is it addicting.

I've been training irregularly for years. Can't get enough. Or into a rhythm. Somebody always ends up sick or something.

[Mazderati]

For those interested...

Must feel good to get that off your back after carrying it around for eight years.

[iceman]

Whoa time warp.

[Rubicon]

Must feel good to get that off your back after carrying it around for eight years.

Nah, you misunderstand. I train on a daily basis but rarely talk about this stuff to anyone outside my school. So when that article from Nerdist showed up on my facebook news feed earlier today, with the biomechanical researcher describing chan si ging almost word for word as I had here, I remembered this thread and posted the article.

Doesn't really feel like eight years though. Time is moving faster these days.

[wooley12]

I've been researching Defendu lately. Historical research. Don't suppose anyone teaches that today. Any input appreciated.

[digitaldeath]

I seent a tai chi master turn away a pistol aimed at his head using chi

[Bobby Stainless]

[Sessiøn]

I started rolling BJJ a night a week and holy sheet is it addicting.

Been a Blue belt for a bit over a year. Fairly competent at simulating murder on untrained opponents. I have a crushing over-under pass.

[digitaldeath]

Been a Blue belt for a bit over a year. Fairly competent at simulating murder on untrained opponents. I have a crushing over-under pass.

bet my kung fu would best you