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    And the Hardest-Working aka Most Slave-Like Countries are...

    Couldn't find the whole list (it's somewhere at Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development)http://www.oecd.org/home/0,2987,en_2..._1_1_1,00.html...but here's the article. South Korea, Greece, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland work the most, and The Netherlands, Norway, Germany, France work the least. Those less hard-working countries are much more appealing countries than the "hard-workers", imo. I almost spent a year in South Korea. Seems I dodged a bullet. I'd jhave a hard time surviving in that work culture.

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    LONDON - If you thought you worked long hours, consider 39-year-old Lee from South Korea. A civil servant at the ministry of agriculture and fisheries, Lee gets up at 5:30 a.m. every day, gets dressed and makes a two-hour commute into Seoul to start work at 8:30 a.m. After sitting at a computer for most of the day, Lee typically gets out the door at 9 p.m., or even later.

    By the time he gets home, it's just a matter of jumping in the shower and collapsing into bed, before starting the whole routine all over again, about four hours later. This happens six days a week, and throughout almost all of the year, as Lee gets just three days of vacation.

    That's right. Three days.

    And did we mention Lee has a wife and three teenage kids? "I get to see them for 10 or 15 minutes a week, and then just on the weekend," he says of his children before adding that, on weekends, he usually gets interrupted to go to the office.

    Lee, who sometimes has to sleep at the ministry of agriculture and fisheries by lying on top of his desk, might seem like a workaholic that needs to get his priorities straight. But his schedule is completely normal in South Korea, where the average employee works 2,357 hours per year--that’s six-and-a-half hours for every single day of their life. According to a 2008 ranking by the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, South Koreans work the longest hours per year, on average, out of every other OECD member.

    "It’s the culture," says Lee. "We always watch what the senior boss thinks of our behavior. So it’s very difficult to finish at a fixed time." Leaving at the official time of 6 p.m. could mean not getting a promotion or raise. What would happen if Lee took a month's vacation? "My desk would surely be gone when I got back."

    South Korea's hard-working citizenry is not alone. Greece comes second in the OECD's rankings with 2,052 hours worked on average each year, and just behind is a trio of Eastern European nations: Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland. The U.S. is also above the OECD average of 32 nations, coming at No. 9, with 1,797 hours worked on average each year.

    One nation that is famed for a short working week is France, whose 35-hour week is currently in a state of flux. But even the French aren't the OECD's most leisurely workers: Bottom of the list are the tall and amiable Dutch, who work an average 1,391 hours per year, preceded by Norway and Germany.

    Culture, as Lee says, is a big factor in the different working hours of nations, but types of employment and legal vacation time are also important. In some countries like the United Kingdom, which comes in at No. 20 on the list, the length of the working week is relatively long, says Pascal Marianna, an OECD expert in employment analysis and policy. But vacations are legally longer in the U.K., at 20 days, than in, say, the U.S., where employees get 10 days of vacation each year. The French get five weeks of vacation a year.

    Greece and Italy are also near the top, at No.s 2 and 8, respectively, because of their large number of self-employed citizens. Mexico comes in at No. 7 for the same reason, along with the number of people who work in what Marianna calls "informal employment." According to the International Labor Organization, less than half of the world's employed people enjoy the security that comes with a regular salary.

    Another reason for the difference is government policies and, in particular, taxation. The OECD found that an increase in marginal tax rates, or the tax owed on every extra dollar or euro earned, can negatively affect the average of hours worked. That effect is felt most typically by women, who are often the second earners in households.

    And what of the diversion between Europe and the U.S., which once provoked the head of the OECD's Economic Department, Jorgen Elmeskov to ask if Europeans were "lazy" or Americans "crazy." It seems to be a changing picture.

    Europeans used to work longer than their American counterparts in the 1970s, and it was only in the mid-1980s that the U.S. started to exceed them. Though working hours in both regions have eased back since the 1960s, they've fallen much more dramatically in Europe, by 23%, to 1,625 hours, today, compared with the 3% slide in American hours over the same time period. Some of the sharpest falls in working hours have been in Ireland, Portugal, Luxembourg and France, according to the OECD.

    As for the opposite extreme, South Korea, things are slowly moving toward the OECD norm after the Korean government introduced a five-day working week in 2004 for schools and companies with over 1,000 employees. But with the culture of hard work so deeply ingrained, change is slow. "A Korean's identity comes from his title at work," says Michael Breen, author of The Koreans, explaining that employees often refer to each other by titles such as "office manager Kim" or "accountant Park," even outside the workplace.

    "This is an authoritarian corporate culture," he adds. "It's very bad form to leave the office before the boss does, so people will hang around doing nothing, and then when the boss leaves, they feel free to leave. ... Because of all of that, people don't have much of a life."

    Yet amid the current economic downturn, personal spending in developing nations, and rapidly industrializing Asia in particular, is seeing industrious citizens loosen up a bit. The OECD confirmed that South Korea is gradually converging toward its standard practices. "I am personally trying to reduce my working time and I try to reduce my stress," says Lee. "Korea has this kind of bad culture where we always think about the boss’ opinion. But we are changing."
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    You don't think that list depicts the difference between countries with work forces trying to establish themselves on the world stage vs. countries with workers that have established themselves?
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    This just in: Canada didn't make the list. It turns out you actually have to have work, not just piggyback on neighbors.
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    Question is though: who gets the most work per person done???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tectonically_Neglected View Post
    Question is though: who gets the most work per person done???
    That would be the Netherlands. Look at all those fucking dams. Half the damn country is fill land. By far the coolest country I've ever visited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_gyptian View Post
    You don't think that list depicts the difference between countries with work forces trying to establish themselves on the world stage vs. countries with workers that have established themselves?
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    ....The Netherlands, Norway, Germany, France work the least....
    Then why aren't we in the top (bottom?) five? Hell supposedly our workers put in more hours for less pay/time off than any other G8 country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    Then why aren't we in the top (bottom?) five? Hell supposedly our workers put in more hours for less pay/time off than any other G8 country.
    Because we are idiots, that's why
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    czechs work their asses off. Mostly its a holdout from soviet russia, but its not unheard of to start the workday at 5 or 6am; every day

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    Hmmm.....2357 hours per year is the top? I just figured I work 4000 hours per year, and I'm off work more than anyone I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    Then why aren't we in the top (bottom?) five? Hell supposedly our workers put in more hours for less pay/time off than any other G8 country.
    Mexico ranked pretty highly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flykdog View Post
    Hmmm.....2357 hours per year is the top? I just figured I work 4000 hours per year, and I'm off work more than anyone I know.
    You work 10.95 hours a day, 7 days a week?
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    Productivity, people.
    Work less. Work better. Produce more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan Explosion View Post
    You work 10.95 hours a day, 7 days a week?
    Well, yeah, it averages out to that. 24 hour shifts, plus a part time job (2 in the winter). If I take away vacation time and look on last years w2's, it comes out to about 3600 hours a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flykdog View Post
    Well, yeah, it averages out to that. 24 hour shifts, plus a part time job (2 in the winter). If I take away vacation time and look on last years w2's, it comes out to about 3600 hours a year.
    Damn. I can honestly say that that might kill me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flykdog View Post
    Well, yeah, it averages out to that. 24 hour shifts, plus a part time job (2 in the winter). If I take away vacation time and look on last years w2's, it comes out to about 3600 hours a year.
    And you're "off work more than anyone you know" ?

    You must be Korean then
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    Quote Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
    And you're "off work more than anyone you know" ?

    You must be Korean then
    Well, full time job is ten days a month. Part time job is 4-5 nights a month that I *usually* sleep though. That gives me 20 days off a month. Seems better to me than the 9-5 crowd that gets 8 days a month off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
    And you're "off work more than anyone you know" ?

    You must be Korean then
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    I win!

    I averaged 16 hours a day, every day, from June 1999 - June 2002, starting my website. And no sleeping on the job.

    At the end I had gained 70 lb and was so weak I couldn't bench 100.

    I tried putting in that much work again in 2005. Like Danny Glover, I am now too old for that shit. Wound up with weird hand tremors and most of my beard fell out (hence the username here).

    Oh - the best part - I failed both times to strike it rich.

    Edit to add: 16 hours/day * 365 days/year = 5840 hours/year. Oh well, it was just my youth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    Edit to add: 16 hours/day * 365 days/year = 5840 hours/year. Oh well, it was just my youth.
    I don't know man, that's sounds like a lot of work. Hopefully you've slowed down significantly - like to a quarter of those levels. Personally, I worked 0 hours in 2007, and just recently worked for pay for the first time since 2006 (student in a year round program).

    Canada = 1736 hours, US = 1708 (slackers!), Plus the Koreans were up near 3000 hours/year back in the early-mid 80s.
    http://stats.oecd.org/WBOS/Index.asp...setCode=PDYGTH

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    Fuck that. I "work" 35 hours a week for my salary - anything more than 7 hours in a day I get Overtime. I also have 6 weeks paid vacation a year, plus unlimited sick leave, a week's worth of personal days, and can get comp time. Gotta love a Union gig with a European company.

    My problem isn't not enough free time, but that my WIFE doesn't have the time off, and the kids need to be in school.

    You guys can brag about how hard you work all you want -- I'll be over here having a cocktail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flykdog View Post
    ...I just figured I work 4000 hours per year...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    ...I "work" 35 hours a week for my salary...
    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    ...I averaged 16 hours a day, every day, from June 1999 - June 2002, starting my website. And no sleeping on the job..
    You facking slackers... I work 35 hours a day 10 days or more EVERY week!!! Wait, this does include time we are on TGR too right?
    If some of the best times of my life were skiing the UP in -40 wind chill with nothing but jeans, cotton long johns and a wine flask to keep warm while sleeping in the back of my dad's van... does that make me old school?

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    Greece?? What the fuck are they doing?

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    I'd venture being AT work/=working for a lot of these people. Standing next to a shovel smoking cigs for 8 hours is not working.
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    This is the ad currently dispayed on my screen.

    They work so much they don't even have time to date ?
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    I'm much more impressed by countries like Spain that have spent centuries refining the fine art of chilling and kicking it.
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