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    Why is the GOP so unpopular?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10366.html

    GOP cancer: Party could lose 20 more seats
    By JOHN F. HARRIS & JOSH KRAUSHAAR | 5/14/08 8:09 PM EST

    For the past 18 months, ever since the 2006 elections, congressional Republicans have been like a hospital patient trying to convince visitors that he is not really all that sick: a bit under the weather; actually feel better than I sound; should be up and about any day; thanks for asking.

    Suddenly — belatedly — all pretense is gone.

    The Republican defeat in Tuesday’s special election in Mississippi*, in a deeply conservative district where, in an average year, Democrats cannot even compete, was a clear sign that the GOP has the political equivalent of cancer that has spread throughout the body. Many House GOP operatives are privately predicting that the party could easily lose up to 20 seats this fall.

    Combined with the 30 seats that the GOP lost in 2006, that would leave the party facing a 70-vote deficit against Democrats in the House — a state of powerlessness reminiscent of Republicans’ long wilderness years in the 1960s and ’70s.

    Things are not particularly more hopeful on the Senate side, where most analysts say Democrats have a strong chance of adding five or more seats to their current majority.

    Panic and blame-casting for the dire condition were flowing in equal measures Wednesday inside the House Republican Conference and among party elders and operatives outside.

    In the crossfire, there was a bracing new spirit of candor that has largely been missing since 2006, when many Republicans tried to convince the public — and perhaps themselves — that the defeat was the result of temporary setbacks, such as the House page scandal or bad headlines for Tom DeLay, rather than something more fundamental.

    “The political atmosphere facing House Republicans this November is the worst since Watergate and is far more toxic than the fall of 2006, when we lost 30 seats (and our majority) and came within a couple of percentage points of losing another 15 seats,” Rep. Tom Davis, a moderate Northern Virginia Republican who previously headed the National Republican Congressional Committee, wrote in a 20-page memo to colleagues.

    Former Rep. Mickey Edwards, an Oklahoma Republican, said: “I don’t know that I have seen a year like this, ever. The general attitude toward Republicans is so bad nationally.”

    By coincidence, the current NRCC chairman — Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), the target of much finger-pointing for his strategy — got his start in politics as a young aide to Edwards. Like many in his party, Edwards said the GOP’s main hope for avoiding a blowout this fall rests in having candidates liberate themselves from their national party label and run on local issues.

    But that is easier said than done. The Mississippi district won by Travis Childers is the third consecutive Republican-leaning district that Democrats have won in a special election this year.

    Party strategists, most of whom spoke anonymously, said the implications of this record reverberate in all manner of ways that are not necessarily obvious at first blush.

    Newly vulnerable Republicans: Suddenly, all sorts of districts that in typical years should be safe for the GOP, no matter the national trend, are clearly in jeopardy.

    Those seats include the open seats of retiring Reps. Kenny Hulshof in northeast Missouri, Jim McCrery in northwest Louisiana, Steve Pearce in rural New Mexico and Terry Everett in Alabama.

    Democrats breathing easy: Some of the freshman Democrats who were once viewed as highly vulnerable in their reelection bids are now looking to be in surprisingly good shape. Republicans haven’t been able to field credible recruits against freshman Democratic Reps. John Hall of New York, Brad Ellsworth of Indiana, Heath Shuler of North Carolina and Zack Space of Ohio — all of whom represent traditionally GOP districts that the party lost in the 2006 election.

    One of the Republicans’ perennial targets, Rep. Melissa L. Bean (D-Ill.), is now heavily favored to win reelection after her once highly touted Republican challenger reported a near-empty campaign account at the end of March.

    Money meltdown: The NRCC has now spent about $3 million to defend three House seats in the most conservative parts of the county — Dennis Hastert’s seat in exurban Chicago, Richard Baker’s seat in the Baton Rouge, La., area and Roger Wicker’s seat in northeast Mississippi. Until this year, Republicans rarely had to break a sweat to hold on to these seats. They have now lost all three of them, and the committee is even less-equipped financially to compete fully in an ever-widening playing field for November.

    That $3 million total is about 42 percent of all cash on hand the committee reported at the end of March (in its latest filing). The playing field of competitive races in 2008 will comprise at least 40 seats, and possibly as many as 70. The committee just does not have money to help its stronger candidates — and it won’t even have enough money to help all of its vulnerable incumbents.

    What’s more, in fundraising, just as success breeds more success, defeat is self-reinforcing. With the clear signs of how much trouble the party is in, it is going to be harder than ever to persuade donors to open their wallets on behalf of candidates this fall.

    “If I’m those members, I’m very concerned. You look at what the NRCC spent last cycle in those races — who’s going to do that next time? All these Republicans are used to having more money; they’ve never been in a situation where Democrats have been able to outspend them,” said a top GOP strategist.

    Heading for the hills: Plainly, there are large headwinds blowing that no operative or party leader, no matter how skilled, could counteract. But this fact does not mean that Cole and his team have not made matters worse through what many Republican members see as poor fundraising and candidate recruitment, as well as faulty judgments about message and resource allocation.

    The second-guessing on the Republican side is going to make it virtually impossible for leaders to impose any kind of discipline on their caucus when it comes to showdown votes in 2008 or to running on a unified message. At times such as this, it is every man and woman for themselves — plainly the smartest move for individuals but not necessarily for the party as a whole.

    “It is not beyond the realm of possibility that we could be down to 170 seats. It’s like back to where we were in the ’80s,” said an aide to a top GOP lawmaker. “The only solace we’ll have is maybe we can run against [Barack] Obama in 2010.”
    seems like the hits just keep on coming.

    * just wanted to add that in the election for the Mississippi house seat that the republicans lost, the RNC spent millions of dollars on ad's trying to connect the democratic candidate to Obama, and ran 2 different Rev Wright ads as well....and it didnt work.
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    You forgot to include the real reason as an option in the poll:

    The elected officials are a bunch of spineless hypocrites who are out of touch with their base.
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    because the only way people really have to express their outrage and frustration with the neocons is to vote against any republican anywhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    You forgot to include the real reason as an option in the poll:

    The elected officials are a bunch of spineless hypocrites who are out of touch with their base.
    +2, get back to practicing the party's principles and you'd have no problem holding office.

    Yet another party cleansing. Kinda like 94... Yawn, now it's the Dems turn to become hypocritical and incompetent in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematics View Post
    Why is the GOP so unpopular?
    Because Larry Craig gives lousy head.
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    The elected officials are a bunch of spineless hypocrites who are out of touch with their base.
    but the question was about Republicans
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    The GOP base is not tolerant of senators acting like Huey Long. Secondly, the special interest influence has driven many away from the party.

    many in the GOP inteligentsia are openly opposed to senators like Lott and Stevens. Why do the democrats and their supporters in the media support guys like Byrd?
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    What about the option for A, B, and C?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CG View Post
    What about the option for A, B, and C?
    ran out of characters on the poll to include an "all of the above"

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    I think it is really simple why they're so FUBAR:

    Over the last 8 years the party has given up all pretense of attempting to shrink the size of the govt (or truly to even check it's growth) and by extension govt spending.

    And at the same time, they have been utterly unable to push through any of their agenda w/r/t the culture wars.*

    Couple that with the emerging realization that their policies over the last 8 years or so have not strengthend the economy (plus rising inflation/gas prices) and well…there you go.

    Done done and done.


    *other than w/r/t the SCOTUS
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    I think its because they're fascists, and nobody likes a fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    +2, get back to practicing the party's principles and you'd have no problem holding office.

    Yet another party cleansing. Kinda like 94... Yawn, now it's the Dems turn to become hypocritical and incompetent in office.
    "the party's principles..."????????

    It's quite clear that the main "Republican principles" include (sorry for overlap);

    -Changing tax codes to effect taking money from the middle and lower classes and give it to rich and corporations
    -Claim to be for small government while bloating the federal budget with hidden pork barrel projects for those who contribute to you
    -Only claiming to care about the Federal deficit when voting for reductions in social programs at the expense of the poorest and weakest americans
    -Using divisionist tactics in elections to try and divide and conquor the public on social issues that you don't really give a hoot about
    -Claim to represent the virtue in society while personally cheating, stealing, lying and screwing boys in the ass
    -No matter what wrong another Republican does stay in lock step collusion to prevent any inquiry or investigation

    The Republican brand may never recover from this Bush era...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    You forgot to include the real reason as an option in the poll:

    The elected officials are a bunch of spineless hypocrites who are out of touch with their base.
    The administrations insistence upon doing only what they think is right, which they determine only amongst their very small and like-minded in-crowd, without any thought for public input, all combined with their penchant for secrecy, arrogance, and self-proclaimed infallability in the face of repeated failure have irritated a lot of people on both sides of the aisle (especially the Dem side because GOP wasn't about compromise leading to ever escalating partisanship on both sides). Oh... and a total rejection of libertarian republicanism (small government, fiscally conservative, pro-civil liberties) while holding on to social/religious conservatism has pushed the centrists and libertarians out of the GOP.

    And the school of thought of the current administration is to force all the spineless hypocrites to agree unceasingly with "the plan." That makes the party look like the administration. To the casual outside observer, the GOP has become the Democratic party for people who want you to pray at school, hate teh gay, but no medicine for the poor and no cut-and-run.

    That is why the GOP is unpopular right now.
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    Because the GOP is more fucked up then than Democratic party.

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    The same reason no one enjoys any social disease!
    Calmer than you dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_gyptian View Post
    the GOP inteligentsia
    Funny......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    +2, get back to practicing the party's principles and you'd have no problem holding office.

    Yet another party cleansing. Kinda like 94... Yawn, now it's the Dems turn to become hypocritical and incompetent in office.
    Like reducing the size of government? Take a look at what Reagan did, or Bush (especially W).

    The problem with the GOP is that they actually do everything they criticize the Dems for, but they say they don't, and a certain segment of the population just seems to believe it.

    Bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    The administrations insistence upon doing only what they think is right, which they determine only amongst their very small and like-minded in-crowd, without any thought for public input, all combined with their penchant for secrecy, arrogance, and self-proclaimed infallability in the face of repeated failure have irritated a lot of people on both sides of the aisle (especially the Dem side because GOP wasn't about compromise leading to ever increasing partisanship). Oh... and a total rejection of libertarian republicanism (small government, fiscally conservative, pro-civil rights) while holding on to social/religious conservatism has pushed the centrists and libertarians out of the GOP.

    And the school of thought of the current administration is to force all the spineless hypocrites to agree unceasingly with "the plan." That makes the party look like the administration. To the casual outside observer, the GOP has become the Democratic party for people who want you to pray at school, hate teh gay, but no medicine for the poor and no cut-and-run.

    That is why the GOP is unpopular right now.


    damn, dude, you summed that up really really well.

    i'll just go ahead and call you a stupid fucking wikipedia using know it all idiot without any real life experience, so we can save liberal genius and their other aliases the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Star View Post
    damn, dude, you summed that up really really well.
    Seconded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timvwcom View Post
    "the party's principles..."????????

    It's quite clear that the main "Republican principles" include (sorry for overlap);

    -Changing tax codes to effect taking money from the middle and lower classes and give it to rich and corporations
    -Claim to be for small government while bloating the federal budget with hidden pork barrel projects for those who contribute to you
    -Only claiming to care about the Federal deficit when voting for reductions in social programs at the expense of the poorest and weakest americans
    -Using divisionist tactics in elections to try and divide and conquor the public on social issues that you don't really give a hoot about
    -Claim to represent the virtue in society while personally cheating, stealing, lying and screwing boys in the ass
    -No matter what wrong another Republican does stay in lock step collusion to prevent any inquiry or investigation

    The Republican brand may never recover from this Bush era...
    So what you're saying is their problems is they're not liberals?

    Sorry, but some of us want something in between.
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    All I can say is, my how the tables have turned. It wasn't five years ago that everyone was saying this about the dems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irul&ublo View Post
    Because Larry Craig gives lousy head.
    You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I know several frequent flying businessmen as well as a handful of baritones in the Vienna Boys Choir who would disagree with your observation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_gyptian View Post

    GOP inteligentsia


    hahahahaha.....snort.....hahahah...ah...ha

    You're still an idiot.

    edit: here's one from the next Rep genius. Amazing what a few bad elections down south can do to someone's "principles". 2013. How the fuck can he stand there and say that things will be fine in, uh, 2013? What the fuck is his plan? Why then? Idiot. But the people who vote for him and his ilk are certifiable morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    The administrations insistence upon doing only what they think is right, which they determine only amongst their very small and like-minded in-crowd, without any thought for public input, all combined with their penchant for secrecy, arrogance, and self-proclaimed infallability in the face of repeated failure have irritated a lot of people on both sides of the aisle (especially the Dem side because GOP wasn't about compromise leading to ever escalating partisanship on both sides). Oh... and a total rejection of libertarian republicanism (small government, fiscally conservative, pro-civil liberties) while holding on to social/religious conservatism has pushed the centrists and libertarians out of the GOP.

    And the school of thought of the current administration is to force all the spineless hypocrites to agree unceasingly with "the plan." That makes the party look like the administration. To the casual outside observer, the GOP has become the Democratic party for people who want you to pray at school, hate teh gay, but no medicine for the poor and no cut-and-run.

    That is why the GOP is unpopular right now.
    Agreed.

    Well said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timvwcom View Post
    "the party's principles..."????????

    It's quite clear that the main "Republican principles" include (sorry for overlap);

    -Changing tax codes to effect taking money from the middle and lower classes and give it to rich and corporations
    -Claim to be for small government while bloating the federal budget with hidden pork barrel projects for those who contribute to you
    -Only claiming to care about the Federal deficit when voting for reductions in social programs at the expense of the poorest and weakest americans
    -Using divisionist tactics in elections to try and divide and conquor the public on social issues that you don't really give a hoot about
    -Claim to represent the virtue in society while personally cheating, stealing, lying and screwing boys in the ass
    -No matter what wrong another Republican does stay in lock step collusion to prevent any inquiry or investigation

    The Republican brand may never recover from this Bush era...
    Tim,

    the Olberman talking points thread is down a few, I think you missed it. As for screwing boys in the ass, that my friend is cornered by your political party (and staying in office by the way). Sorry.
    I still call it The Jake.

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