Put a fork in Hillary...

[cloudpeak]

Clinton should probably throw in the towel. The backroom Democratic hacks have decided Obama is their man, and they're telegraphing the message all over the airwaves from McGovern to Russert to Stephanopolis.

These political hacks, media hacks, and Obama's spinmeisters have turned a lead of only 152 out of 3253 delegates into a landslide. They've excluded Florida and Michigan from the tallies, which provides a big bonus for Obama because it reduces Clinton's delegate count, reduces the bogie for winning the nomination from 2209 to 2025, and reduces Clinton's popular vote tally. The media keeps reporting that Clinton couldn't hit the magic nomination number even with Florida and Michigan. What they don't say is that neither can Obama with or without Florida and Michigan. It's to the advantage of the Obama campaign to resist seating the delegates from these states or accepting a revote in these states.

It's all smoke and mirrors, but it has crippled Clinton's ability to raise any cash, and, at this point, this strategy seems on track to deliver the prize to Obama. David Axelrod has definitely earned his keep.

Rumor has it Obama will declare himself the victor and nominee on May 20. At that point, the convention can become a big lovefest without having to address all the messiness of vote tallies.

Now, you've got to wonder if the same strategy will work in the general election.

My guess is Obama = President McCain.

[Tye 1on]

Some Pennsylvanians are educated. Not many on the Flyers tho....

just sayin'

[Lone Star]

How will McCain vote on Forest Service funding?

as a president? he won't vote on it.

[Tye 1on]

These political hacks, media hacks, and Obama's spinmeisters have turned a lead of only 152 out of 3253 delegates into a landslide. They've excluded Florida and Michigan from the tallies, which provides a big bonus for Obama because it reduces Clinton's delegate count, reduces the bogie for winning the nomination from 2209 to 2025, and reduces Clinton's popular vote tally. The media keeps reporting that Clinton couldn't hit the magic nomination number even with Florida and Michigan. What they don't say is that neither can Obama with or without Florida and Michigan. It's to the advantage of the Obama campaign to resist seating the delegates from these states or accepting a revote in these states.

How do you figure? My numbers have him currently at 1846 pledged and supers, with 272 supers still out there and a few small states. Add those supers in and you have 2118. ???
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...lts/scorecard/

[counterfeitfake]

Those states fucked up and everyone knew it ahead of time. That Hillary's campaign is lobbying to change what happened with Florida and Michigan after the fact REEKS of desperation.

[woodstocksez]

Yes, it sounds worse than it reads ... and it doesn't read well. But it seems obvious to me that she meant to convey that Obama's support is weak among white, blue-collar ("hard working" = blue-collar) Americans. I can't stand Hillary (or Bill). I think they're both amoral scum. But do you really believe she's racist or, more particularly, has that particular racist belief? I don't. Isn't it more likely that she's just really tired (she sounded that way to me) and mis-spoke. Yeah, it's a gaffe, but is it really something of substance?

Edit to add - Though maybe the point was that, even so, that gaffe at this juncture is enough to torpedo what little chance she may still have had of winning the nomination, which I suppose may be true and which is unfortunate. Yet another thing I've liked about Obama is that he's regularly made the point that people shouldn't get caught up in the frenzy over the latest gaffe du jour.

[counterfeitfake]

I don't think it's substantial. But politics is largely about skewering your opponent with some insubstantial gaffe they made.

[Liberal Genius]

Y'know what funny about assbags such as yourself? Somebody you like (Obama) can say something stupid like Pennsylvanians are uneducated bible thumping gun freaks and you'll fall all over yourselves trying to tell people what he really meant. When somebody you don't like (Hillary) says something stupid about hard working white guys not voting for Obama then, yeah, all of the sudden she's race-baiting and making sweeping generalisations - end of discussion.

Thank you for splainin' that to our dumb Canadian friend. I didn't want to type that out anyway.

[stupendous man]

These political hacks, media hacks, and Obama's spinmeisters have turned a lead of only 152 out of 3253 delegates into a landslide. They've excluded Florida and Michigan from the tallies, which provides a big bonus for Obama because it reduces Clinton's delegate count, reduces the bogie for winning the nomination from 2209 to 2025, and reduces Clinton's popular vote tally. The media keeps reporting that Clinton couldn't hit the magic nomination number even with Florida and Michigan. What they don't say is that neither can Obama with or without Florida and Michigan. It's to the advantage of the Obama campaign to resist seating the delegates from these states or accepting a revote in these states.

It's a good point. But I don't think anyone, includin O, is calling it a landslide. They're going to declare victory when the number of pledge delegates of O can't be topped by Hill, including Mich and FL.

[cloudpeak]

How do you figure? My numbers have him currently at 1846 pledged and supers, with 272 supers still out there and a few small states. Add those supers in and you have 2118. ???
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...lts/scorecard/

Any way you do the math, the super delegates decide the outcome. Hence, the media blitz to establish Obama as the frontrunner.

[irul&ublo]

Well, if it was your dick, I wouldn't mind.

There you go, thinking about my dick again. You need to get yourself down to the nearest gay bar and just get it over with and out of your system....or not.

[Tippster]

Anyway you do the math, the super delegates decide the outcome. Hence, the media blitz to establish Obama as the frontrunner.

Sorry, but that is not true. The undecided super delegates were waiting to see if there was a candidate with a clear lead after the primay process was over. Clinton needed to win both states convincingly to even make it close in delegates, even counting her 55% of the FL delegates that she won and the 50 in MI. Despite her narrow win in IN she came out even further behind after last tuesday, both in delegates and popular vote.

The reason why many power brokers are calling it for Obama is because unless the superdelegates decide to ignore both the popular vote tally and the pledged delegate talley they cannot in good faith, according to their own words over the last few months, give Clinton the nomination.

I understand you're not happy about your candidate not getting the nomination but nothing shady is going on at all. If anything the fact that two Democrats were such good candidates that we had a hard time deciding on which one is a good sign for the future of the Party. Don't let the Limbaughs or Jers claim otherwise.

McCain got the nomination by default - they disliked him the least. Guess who's been out of the news cycle for the last two months? The Republicans want the Dems to declare a winner today so that they can start their swiftboating.

[Toadman]

The media keeps reporting that Clinton couldn't hit the magic nomination number even with Florida and Michigan. What they don't say is that neither can Obama with or without Florida and Michigan. It's to the advantage of the Obama campaign to resist seating the delegates from these states or accepting a revote in these states.

Rumor has it Obama will declare himself the victor and nominee on May 20. At that point, the convention can become a big lovefest without having to address all the messiness of vote tallies.

Now, you've got to wonder if the same strategy will work in the general election.

My guess is Obama = President McCain.

I'm wondering if Obama could even hope to carry FL and MI in the general. Latest poll shows Obama losing to McCain by about 50 electoral votes and Clinton beating McCain by about 50. But polls mean dick this far out, so who knows.

Last I heard on NBC, that Obama was not going to declare himself the dem candidate until he hits the magic reduced delegate count #.

[Jer]

I understand you're not happy about your candidate not getting the nomination but nothing shady is going on at all. If anything the fact that two Democrats were such good candidates that we had a hard time deciding on which one is a good sign for the future of the Party. Don't let the Limbaughs or Jers claim otherwise.

Spoken like a true Kool Aid drinker.

Just keep repeating the mantra: "It's good for the party, it's good for the party, it's good for the party...." while crouched in the corner rocking back and forth with a far-off look in your eyes.

[BenWA]

Hillary makes me vomit.

Yeah, the pattern is you are JUST LIKE McCAIN - you'd both do ANYTHING to win. That's an admirable quality in an athlete, criminal, or businessperson, but it isn't what you want in a leader.

You are kidding, right? And Obama WOULDN'T? Obama has been using amazing amounts of NLP, hypnosis, and other mind control on people like YOU all along to such a degree that it has become hilarious to watch on TV (if not upsetting). I'd like to say that it is cutting edge marketing, but they are the same tactics that Heinrich Himmler used on the Nazis in the 30's and 40's. It's what Obama's entire campaign has been built upon; he has no substantive record upon which he can sell himself, so he has been paving his road to the nomination with a whole lot of impressive marketing hullabaloo. Claptrap and neuro-anchoring buzzwords. "Hope."

Talk about doing anything to win.

[liv2ski]

But it is true..

Obama mostly appeals to African Americans and clueless college sophomore types.

Wow... that is me to the T.
O wait...late 40s, top 5% income bracket, white.
That comment was fucking stupid

[JONG SLAUGHTER]

Wow... that is me to the T.
O wait...late 40s, top 5% income bracket, white.
That comment was fucking stupid

YOU DO KNOW OBAMA WANTS TO TAX THE RICH A LOT MORE, RIGHT?

HOW ABOUT YOU SEND ME YOUR MONEY INSTEAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

[liv2ski]

YOU DO KNOW OBAMA WANTS TO TAX THE RICH A LOT MORE, RIGHT?

HOW ABOUT YOU SEND ME YOUR MONEY INSTEAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

How about you get a job that pays some jack and help cover the mess fucking Bush has got us into you Douche nozzle.
O, I know, your going to leave this mess for your children and their children and their children, you get my drift, to handle.
Go fuck yourself you selfish asshole.

[JONG SLAUGHTER]

How about you get a job that pays some jack and help cover the mess fucking Bush has got us into you Douche nozzle.
O, I know, your going to leave this mess for your children and their children and their children, you get my drift, to handle.
Go fuck yourself you selfish asshole.

OBAMA WANTS TO TAX YOU FOR OTHER REASONS YOU MORON.

GUESS DUMBFUCKS LIKE YOU LOOK UP TO OTHERS WHO ARE SMARTER TO SPEND YOUR MONEY FOR YOU.

SEND ME SOME OF YOUR MONEY SO I CAN TAKE CARE OF MY KIDS, FUCKTARD.

IF YOU DON'T, YOU'RE JUST A SELFISH DOUCHEBAG, BUT WE KNOW THAT ALREADY. DAMN YOU'RE DUMB.

[cloudpeak]

I understand you're not happy about your candidate not getting the nomination but nothing shady is going on at all. If anything the fact that two Democrats were such good candidates that we had a hard time deciding on which one is a good sign for the future of the Party. Don't let the Limbaughs or Jers claim otherwise.

McCain got the nomination by default - they disliked him the least. Guess who's been out of the news cycle for the last two months? The Republicans want the Dems to declare a winner today so that they can start their swiftboating.

You're mistaken. Actually, I'm stunned at how determined the Democrats are to select such a weak candidate.

One part of me worries that Obama will lose by a landslide. Another part worries that he'll be elected president.

Obama vs. McCain—what a terrible slate of candidates. One is inexperienced and has demonstrated questionable judgement on multiple occasions; the other is none too bright, a war monger, and older than dirt. For the first time, I might sit this one out.

Most of my friends are solidly on the Obama hysteria train, but he just seems like a self-serving lightweight to me.

Oh, and you can bet the Republicans haven't been idle during this process. They're undoubtedly gleefully queuing up their Swift Boat machinery. Obama has given them plenty of fodder.

[BenWA]

You're mistaken. Actually, I'm stunned at how determined the Democrats are to select such a weak candidate.

One part of me worries that Obama will lose by a landslide. Another part worries that he'll be elected president.

For the first time, I might sit this one out.

+1

Actually, I WILL sit this one out, assuming Obama gets the ticket. My conscience wouldn't allow me to vote for either candidate in such a case.

[Liberal Genius]

+1

Actually, I WILL sit this one out, assuming Obama gets the ticket. My conscience wouldn't allow me to vote for either candidate in such a case.

Why note write someone in?

[Tippster]

A "weak" candidate who has done more for voter turnout than anyone in recent history.

There is only one person in an election who has experience being the President - that is the encumbent. Since we don't have one this year the playing field is even that way.

Don't let Frau Clinton's "I lived in the White House so I have experience" fool you. She's been a Senator since 2001... her first elected office. Obama has been in elected office since 1997, and in the US Senate since 2005. Yes, prior to that was in the Illinois state Senate but that effected a shitload more people directly than Clinton's deciding which flowers to put in the entrance hall of the White House or which meal to have the chef prepare for the State Dinner.

What was that about experience again?

[Woodsy]

+1

Actually, I WILL sit this one out, assuming Obama gets the ticket. My conscience wouldn't allow me to vote for either candidate in such a case.

wow
that is stunning.
althought i have voted in every election I was able, some of the votes were done holding my nose, against someone, or half heartedly.
This is the first election on any level where i am definately pro one canidate, if the other won i wouldn't be upset.
i do think oth are really in this for the good of the country, they just have different views of what that is.

[Buster Highmen]

...Obama has been using NLP, hypnosis, and other mind control on people like YOU all along to a degree that is has become hilarious to watch him work his magic on TV (if not upsetting). I'd like to say that it is cutting edge marketing, but they are the same tactics that Heinrich Himmler used on the Nazis in the 30's and 40's....
Talk about doing anything to win.

Amazing, comparing Obama to Himmler.
Hypnosis? NLP?

Funny, I don't watch TV.