GUNS!!!!!!!!

**farmer** · 07-19-2016, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by exsparky

They aren't that hard to do, they get a lot easier after 2 or 3 of them. How do you plan to anodize it?

Get a pack of the drill bits or end mills specific for it too.

It's already anodized. I didn't think the areas you machine out needed to be anodized, do they?

Thanks for the tip on the bit kit.

**Cono Este** · 07-19-2016, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

Can you get the P226 Legion Single Action in Norway? It's kickass. Either that or I'd check out a 9mm double stack 1911 if you want a metal gun. Not sure what brands you got over there.

I don't care much for CZ75s due to the slide being inside the frame rails, and I think the Beretta 92fs is junk.

Either way, for a competition gun, go single action only, not DA/SA.

But really you should just buy an HK VP9 or Walther PPQ 5". Trust me on this one, if it's your only handgun just get one of those guns.

I just got a cz p-09. Its super acurate, but your right about the slide. Just not much to hold on to, it just doesnt feel right. Its going to be traded one day for another 1911.

**DeepHelmet** · 07-19-2016, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by digitaldeath

what a dumb bootlicking reply

who said i was scared

if you are ever in minneapolis and want to have a knife fight, im available

You asked a question and I gave you what is probably the most likely answer. I'll admit the "scared" comment was smart ass, but maybe I couldn't think straight with that boot stuck to my tongue. My skills at knife fighting are probably no match for yours, so I'll respectfully decline your offer. And remember, don't bring a knife to a gunfight. There, my good deed for the day.

**BobMc** · 07-19-2016, 09:35 PM

I've got a P226 and a Taurus 1911. I've put about 500 rounds through each of them. For some reason I still shoot the .45 better than the 9. I can hand my 226 to friends and they can usually shoot that one better, but for some reason I like the 1911. I think the linear trigger on the 1911 plays into it, I have a tendency to pull the sig up and left.

**DeepHelmet** · 07-19-2016, 09:44 PM

I never could master the DA/SA trigger from the Sig. Really well made gun, but not for me. I too shoot a 1911 much better than the Sig. It's the trigger, and also how the gun naturally points in my hand.

**arild** · 07-19-2016, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

Can you get the P226 Legion Single Action in Norway? It's kickass. Either that or I'd check out a 9mm double stack 1911 if you want a metal gun. Not sure what brands you got over there.

I don't care much for CZ75s due to the slide being inside the frame rails, and I think the Beretta 92fs is junk.

Either way, for a competition gun, go single action only, not DA/SA.

But really you should just buy an HK VP9 or Walther PPQ 5". Trust me on this one, if it's your only handgun just get one of those guns.

Yup, the legion, both SAO and DA/SA are available. Any problems getting a threaded barrel for them, or is it the same barrel locking interface as on the regular 226?

**arild** · 07-19-2016, 11:58 PM

We can also get the M11A1 over here, but that's a DA/SA, I think. Plan to fondle it, perhaps get to shoot some of the double action guns out there to see if it's for me.

**Bobby Stainless** · 07-20-2016, 05:40 AM

The 1911 represents the epitome of what a killing tool needs to be. It was true in 1911 and it's true now.

**TAFKALVS** · 07-20-2016, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by arild

Yup, the legion, both SAO and DA/SA are available. Any problems getting a threaded barrel for them, or is it the same barrel locking interface as on the regular 226?

Get the sao legion. Standard 226 threaded barrel works. The trigger is dreamy.

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 07-20-2016, 08:33 AM

I don't get why people don't like the SA/DA Sigs. It's only DA if you de-cock it after chambering a round, so the only time it would be an issue is if you wanted to carry it loaded. The SA on my 226 with SRT is awesome. It's accurate as well. If you have small hands get the 229.

**DeepHelmet** · 07-20-2016, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by AaronWright

I don't get why people don't like the SA/DA Sigs. It's only DA if you de-cock it after chambering a round, so the only time it would be an issue is if you wanted to carry it loaded. The SA on my 226 with SRT is awesome. It's accurate as well. If you have small hands get the 229.

I don't know if you directed this at my comment, but I'll answer anyway. For me personally, I can't ever think of a time I would carry a gun that wasn't loaded. It's not that I don't like the Sigs, they are marvels of engineering with some of the best fit and finish on the market. I also think they're good looking. I suppose if I was forced to, with a ton of training time I would become proficient with the trigger. The 226 is the issue sidearm for a lot of the Seal teams and they seem to do well with it. A number of them have bought and maintained their own 1911's to carry, for the same reason as I did. It shot better for them. With the limited amount of training time available to me, I'd rather start out with a platform I'm pretty proficient with and get better from there.

**digitaldeath** · 07-20-2016, 10:03 AM

you aint training for CQB?

pffft

target practice wont help you

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 07-20-2016, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by DeepHelmet

I don't know if you directed this at my comment, but I'll answer anyway. For me personally, I can't ever think of a time I would carry a gun that wasn't loaded. It's not that I don't like the Sigs, they are marvels of engineering with some of the best fit and finish on the market. I also think they're good looking. I suppose if I was forced to, with a ton of training time I would become proficient with the trigger. The 226 is the issue sidearm for a lot of the Seal teams and they seem to do well with it. A number of them have bought and maintained their own 1911's to carry, for the same reason as I did. It shot better for them. With the limited amount of training time available to me, I'd rather start out with a platform I'm pretty proficient with and get better from there.

I think the Sig DA/SA is safer to carry loaded, this could be argued.

**DeepHelmet** · 07-20-2016, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by AaronWright

I think the Sig DA/SA is safer to carry loaded, this could be argued.

Not by me it wouldn't.

**exsparky** · 07-20-2016, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

Get the sao legion. Standard 226 threaded barrel works. The trigger is dreamy.

Have you shot an x5? I traded off my elite 226 with an srt as soon as I did.

My volkmann 1911 is no match for the cz75 champion (which is miles beyond a standard cz75, shadow or tac sport). If you are born into 1911's I can see you preferring them but there are better range pistol options. If you only intend to get one gun, go big!

If you have an hour and like range pistols read this...
http://www.glocktalk.com/threads/hig...guide.1210523/

**TAFKALVS** · 07-20-2016, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by AaronWright

I don't get why people don't like the SA/DA Sigs. It's only DA if you de-cock it after chambering a round, so the only time it would be an issue is if you wanted to carry it loaded. The SA on my 226 with SRT is awesome. It's accurate as well. If you have small hands get the 229.

If he's doing competitive shooting they'll require him to decock before each segment of the match. A single action or striker fired pistol will be faster first round on target. That said, training is a factor, and if he gets a 226 Legion the DA pull is significantly easier to work with. I have shot the MK25 (P226 Navy), the Legion and a standard P226 and the Legion is much easier for me to put first round on target quickly. If you get a chance you should pop down to Stan's and check out the 226 Legion. It's really really nice.

**digitaldeath** · 07-20-2016, 10:19 PM

Boring. None of you have a g18 or mp9s

**arild** · 07-21-2016, 12:51 AM

Thanks for the feedback,everyone. Will make sure to try both the Legion SAO,MK25, and the M11a1 for good measure.

**The Reverend Floater** · 07-21-2016, 04:14 PM

Anyone have any experience with a .30 180g Swift A-Frame as it pertains to elk and a .300WM? Exploring my hand loading options for my elk tag this year. All research says they're great bullets with fantastic results.

**2FUNKY** · 07-21-2016, 04:26 PM

Not exactly but I did shoot an Alaskan Moose with a 175grn out of my 7mmRUM and it performed perfectly. Had to anchor him hard since he was on the bank of a lake that went to deep water quickly. Shot him high shoulder to shock the spine and he dropped like a rock. Shot was 250yds, so really a chip shot with my set up.

**The Reverend Floater** · 07-21-2016, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by 2FUNKY

Not exactly but I did shoot an Alaskan Moose with a 175grn out of my 7mmRUM and it performed perfectly. Had to anchor him hard since he was on the bank of a lake that went to deep water quickly. Shot him high shoulder to shock the spine and he dropped like a rock. Shot was 250yds, so really a chip shot with my set up.

That's along the lines of what I've heard. I try really hard to harvest game immediately and without much room for error. As my effective range increases, I want to make sure the bullet I'm shooting will be as effective. Elk are big, strong animals capable of sustaining multiple shots from a magnum rifle to begin with...might as well close the odds as best I can.

**TAFKALVS** · 07-21-2016, 07:07 PM

As you know I'm not much of a hunter. That said it seems like most of the people I know who hunt a lot of elk are running a nosler bullet, either the partition or accubond. The new accubond lr looks cool. In my 300 win mag I personally prefer bullets over 200 grains, i get better accuracy and at longer distance it's less susceptible to wind.

**Norseman** · 07-21-2016, 08:08 PM

Not a gun nut like y'all, but done a fair bit of hunting with the nosler partition.

My old man has probably shot three dozen big game critters with various caliber in that style.

**The Reverend Floater** · 07-21-2016, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

As you know I'm not much of a hunter. That said it seems like most of the people I know who hunt a lot of elk are running a nosler bullet, either the partition or accubond. The new accubond lr looks cool. In my 300 win mag I personally prefer bullets over 200 grains, i get better accuracy and at longer distance it's less susceptible to wind.

The Partition is one of the most effective bullets on the market and has been for 50 years. One shot is all they require most of the time. However, it doesn't fly that well compared to say the BT's which I've been using. Outside of 300 yards, the Partition seems to wander. Now, I keep elk under 500 yards as a rule and have killed the last few at 300, so it should be fine. But I've been reading the Swift A-Frames are just as devastating but fly much better.

**2FUNKY** · 07-21-2016, 08:37 PM

I agree with LVS. Most guys I know who shoot the 300's are shooting 200+grn bullets. The new nosler LR is a great bullet. I shoot the Berger VLD Hunter 168 now out of my RUM and it puts the elk down like right now. I have killed elk from 90yds on out to 540yds. The bullet performed perfectly in every scenario. Guys I know who shoot the 210 VLD out of 300's love them. I have seen a few animals, deer and elk, taken with them and they all went right down. Shot placement is critical though as we all know. There is a great selection of premium bullets today. Pick one load it up and see how your gun likes it.