GUNS!!!!!!!!

[liv2ski]

Is the Saiga 12 California-legal? Just talking about the regular 5-rd magazines. Seems with the trad stock and <10rd mags, it'd be fine...but they also outlawed .50BMG so who knows.

In case you didn't Google, yes it is. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct774.aspx

[waxman]

What kind of 22 is that? I thought the 10/22 were the only ones with high cap mags like that?

possibly a Gevarm? if memory serves. it fires off an open bolt.

[waxman]

Went to the gun show on Sunday to help a friend buy his first handgun. He found one he liked that fit his grubby meathooks, bartered, and settled on a price. But he was denied on the background check by BCI. I know they don't give reasons, but this guy has a clean record. I have my CCW so I don't have to go through it any more when buying guns, but wondering if anyone has any insight on why one would get denied? Particularly since he has no criminal record.

I thought maybe because he moves so much his info he gave them might not match what BCI has, but other than that I'm at a loss. Of course he was pretty bummed, mostly because I've got him addicted to shooting my guns and he was pretty excited about buying his first. He moved here from a state that doesn't recognize the 2A and was very anti before I introduced him to shooting.

that's impossible! all we hear in the great white north is how easy it is to get a gun through the "gunshow loophole" just walk right up and buy it...
i joke but your story would never get told in the MSM...

[liv2ski]

CA Libertarian checking in. Ordered a LMT CQB AR 15 the other day. In CA they are limited to a 10 round mag I am assuming if I order a few hi capacity mags off the internet the will pop right in and work, yes????
Just getting my ducks in a row for the zombie apocalypse.

[DeepHelmet]

I would guess that any high quality AR-15 mag should work in that gun. Don't have anything from LMT, so I can't speak firsthand. I know the Colt we use run fine with Magpuls, and several other makes. When in doubt, call LMT.

[liv2ski]

^^^^Thanks, the guy at the gun store freaked out I even asked about a Hi Capacity mag in CA I guess it is like a head shop. You can't go in asking for a bong, just kind of have to point at "that one".
CA requires a button on the rifle to slow down ejecting the mag. So I figured the mag may have an alteration to go with the button. I will know soon enough.

[XavierD]

Pmags will work just fine. As will the new surefire's if you really want Hi-cap. That said, good luck getting any shipped to you. And I would not go to the range with any... Unless you can go someplace else (outside of CA) to shoot them, I don't see much reason to get any. Just something the ATF can fuck you with.

[Jer]

That said, good luck getting any shipped to you.

This is the thing with CA. And it's not just high cap mags. I didn't even know about that delayed mag release thing. That's just insane.

[liv2ski]

^^^^XavierD was correct in that you can't get over a 10 round mag shipped to CA. It is all good though, I will just buy 10 for when I go plinking. Thing that makes me laugh is that it is the law abiding citizens that are punished by all of CA rules. The bad guys are going to do what they want. CA is a funny place to live.

[45hill]

Reno Gun Show. Anything you want.

[CS]

You can't get assembled hi cap mags shipped to California. You can get disassembled pmags from various places with which to use parts for fixing mags you had before the ban. Also, any mag with more than 10 rounds in a bullet-button AR15 is no bueno. It's not an ATF deal it's a stupid California law deal. In most things guns, this state really, really sucks.

45hill, there have been stories of guys getting hi cap mags at Reno shows, coming across the border and getting nipped for one reason or another and oh, hey look, you are importing hi cap mags.

[45hill]

Never had an issue. Is it an I-80 thing?

[XavierD]

It's a living in that shot hole of a state.

[TNKen]

Big gun auction going on at James D. Julia Auctions.

They sold the "Coconut Rifle" that brought $90,000 plus a 15% buyer's premium. Here's the description.

**NEAR MYTHICAL EXTRAORDINARILY RARE COLT AR-15 MODEL 1 ORIGINAL SELECT FIRE TEST RIFLE KNOWN AS "THE COCONUT RIFLE". SN 000106. Cal. 223. Extraordinary AR-15, the sixth one ever made by Colt with 20" tapered rnd bbl and orig 3-pronged brush catcher flash hider. It has the typical tall AR-15 front sight with adjustable post & bayonet lug. Receiver is typical of standard production rifles with carrying handle mounted, windage adjustable, 2-position flip rear sight and serrated charging handle with integral lock, chrome plated bolt carrier and spring loaded dust cover. Magazine release is in the usual position on right side with bolt carrier lock release on left side. Left side of magazine well is marked with a large rampant Colt in a circle, "COLT / ARMALITE AR15 / PATENTS PENDING / CAL 223 / MODEL 01 / SERIAL 000106". Mounted with mottled red composition 2-pc ventilated triangle forearm and solid buttstock with hollow pistol grip. Buttplate is of black composition material with ribbed face. Bottom of butt is mounted with a sling swivel stud with corresponding sling wire part of the front sight bracket and contains a Vietnam era nylon Nobukl adjustable sling. Also accompanied by an orig "waffle" stamped sheet stainless steel magazine. Base plate of magazine is marked "ARMALITE AR-15 / PATENTS PENDING / CAL. .223 / COLT'S PT. F.A. MFG. CO. INC. / HARTFORD, CONN. U.S.A". Base plate of magazine has a small key slot used for dismounting the base plate. This rifle is one of the first twenty AR-15s built by Colt in 1959 and was the single rifle used in all demonstrations of the capabilities of the new Armalite design from Eugene Stoner. Accompanied by a Colt factory letter which states that this rifle was shipped to Cooper MacDonald Co. of Baltimore, MD on Feb. 17, 1960. The Cooper MacDonald Co. had been selected by Colt to market this new product and this rifle was therefore shipped to the company into the hands of Mr. William Mullen, the Vice-President of Cooper MacDonald. In a signed & notarized statement from consignor dated June 9, 2011, consignor states that he obtained possession of this rifle in March 1989 and on July 14 & 15, 1992 he and his wife traveled to Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, MD and had a lengthy appointment with Mr. Mullen, V.P. of Cooper MacDonald Co. Mr. Mullen stated that SN 106 is the rifle that made two trips around the world for demonstrations to various friendly governments. He stated that on July 4, 1960 this was the rifle that was used in the "Watermelon Demonstration". Mr. Mullen stated that the demonstration took place on Mr. MacDonald's farm which was an annual cookout & beer bust and that prior to the party Mr. MacDonald had told him to "bring the rifle - there will be some brass there". Mr. Mullen stated that the brass turned out to be Gen. Curtis E. LeMay, the Air Force Vice-Chief of Staff. Mr. Mullen stated that a demonstration was organized using four watermelons placed at 50, 75 & 100 yards. Gen. LeMay fired at three of the watermelons which completely destroyed them. When it was pointed out to the General that there was a fourth watermelon remaining and was asked if he wanted to shoot it or eat it. His response was "Let's eat the son of a bitch", which they did. While they were standing in the field eating watermelon Gen. LeMay explained that he had been looking for a rifle weighing less than the M-1 Garand and the Springfield M-14 but one with more punch than the M-1 carbine. Mr. Mullen recalled that Gen. LeMay was happy at the prospect of receiving his order in a timely manner and on the spot placed an order for 8,500 rifles. That demonstration with this rifle is the basis for what was to become one of the most widely disbursed military rifles in history with innumerable knock-offs in semi-auto configuration. Mr. Mullen, upon being asked regarding the legend that this rifle had actually been fired by Pres. John F. Kennedy from the Kennedy family yacht, the Honey Fitz, Mr. Mullen responded that he was unaware of such an occurrence. Mr. Mullen was then asked about the legendary "two around the globe sales trips". Mr. Mullen responded that there were actually more than two, he said that they were constantly traveling. Mr. Mullen related that "serious consideration was given by several countries, including the Philippines, India, Cambodia and South Viet Nam". He stated that in order to impress the dignitaries at the demonstrations they used coconuts to demonstrate the destructive capabilities of the rifle and its small bore cartridge. Mr. Mullen further stated "they weren't coconuts all of the time." He stated that he did not record the location of an incident that happened at a South Viet Nam military outpost nor did he record the name of the Vietnamese officer who was probably a Major although his nickname was "The Pope" or something similar. At the conclusion of the coconut demonstration the Vietnamese officer gave instructions to bring out two Viet Cong prisoners from the compound. They were told in Vietnamese that if they reached the jungle, about 200-225 meters away, they would be free. The prisoners began running and "The Pope" did the shooting. Both prisoners were instantly killed with devastating wound results. Mr. Mullen stated that he had photographs of that incident but consignor and his wife declined the offer to look at them, much to their later regret. Mr. Mullen stated that there was no need to involve the testing of any other rifle than #106 as it never jammed and it never failed. Mr. Mullen also offered that the subsequent decisions by the military to switch to ball powder and a different rate of twist in the bores was the reason that so many of the early M-16s in Viet Nam jammed which resulted in numerous unnecessary deaths of American soldiers. He implied that if they had not been so intractable in going against the advice of the designer, Mr. Eugene Stoner, and had kept the orig cartridge loading and rate of twist that the jamming problem would probably not have occurred. Consignor and his wife, on 15 July 1992, visited the Museum of American History, Smithsonian Institution to seek an appointment with Dr. Ezell, the Curator of the Division of Armed Forces History at the Smithsonian and the author of numerous military firearms related books. Especially notable is his treatise The Great Rifle Controversy which is the defining work as relates to the AR-15/M16 project. Dr. Ezell stated that he was intimately familiar with this rifle and the history behind it and stated, in answer to a direct question, that #106 is in fact the rifle used at "The Watermelon Demonstration". On the same day consignor and his wife visited the headquarters of the United States Secret Service to attempt to verify the Pres. Kennedy connection. The Secret Service was uncooperative and provided no information. Consignor provided a list of some of the first twenty AR-15s and what may have happened to them, as follows: #000101 - Presented to Mr. John MacDonald, Cooper MacDonald Corp.; #000102 - Presented to Mr. Dick Boutelle, President of Armalite Division, Fairchild Hiller Corp. These two rifles were presented at Colt on 26 Dec. 1959 by Fred Roff, President of Colt with Eugene Stoner & Bob Freemont in attendance. Consignor shows that numbers 000102, 000103, 000104 & 000105 were presented to Heads of State (or other dignitaries) in South Viet Nam, India, Cambodia & Singapore. There is no indication of what may have happened to the remainder of the first production rifles. Neither is there any indication that SNs 000101 & 000102 were ever registered with BATFE or that they may be transferable. Therefore this rifle is the oldest known transferable AR-15/M16 rifle in existence and it certainly is the most famous of all. Also accompanied by a copy of Treasury Form 3 transferring this rifle to the Law Enforcement Ordnance Co., Athens, Georgia on Feb. 11, 1975. Additionally accompanying is a copy of p. 163 of The Shotgun News dated Nov. 15, 1977, which is an ad of the Law Enforcement Ordnance Co. which lists this rifle for sale and states that it is the "7th production M-16, from the Cooper MacDonald Collection. Cooper MacDonald was the firm which marketed the M-16 to the U.S. Government for Colt; this was a sales sample which was fired by McNamara and John F. Kennedy, Diem, Batista, and a number of other prominent world figures." Also accompanied by an orig 1916 AR-15 Automatic Rifle Instructions Manual. This exact rifle is the subject of an article in Vol. 15, No. 1(Oct 2011) Small Arms Review magazine. PROVENANCE: Colt Industries; Cooper MacDonald Corp.; Law Enforcement Ordnance Co.; Shane MacMahon Collection; Michael Harden Collection; David Norman Collection. CONDITION: Very fine. The metal, overall, retains nearly all of its orig matte gray/green finish with only sharp edge and high point wear. Buttstock has a T-shaped crack in left side at the buttplate and the right side of the forearm has a small crack in one edge. Otherwise stock, forearm & grip are sound with light handling & use nicks & scratches and retains most of its orig factory finish. Mechanics are crisp, bright shiny bore. Magazine retains about 80% orig finish. 4-42475 JR136 (40,000-60,000)

[TNKen]

Last auction included Ernest Hemingway's Double rifle that brought a cool $339,250.



*THE IMMORTAL ERNEST HEMINGWAY'S WESTLEY RICHARDS BEST QUALITY HAND DETACHABLE SINGLE TRIGGER EJECTOR DOUBLE RIFLE W/ORIGINAL CASE. SN 17425. Cal..577 Nitro Express. 750 gr. bullet, 100 gr. cordite. The Westley Richards Best quality rifle with hand detachable lock action (droplock) is as highly regarded among rifle connoisseurs as the Holland Royal and the Rigby Rising Bite. To find one of these iconic rifles in the .577 750 gr nitro caliber is very unusual. Added to this is the fact that this particular rifle was owned and used by Ernest Hemingway, a man of great charisma, a Nobel Prize winning, innovative author; war correspondent; uncompromising outdoorsman; hunter, fisherman, and acknowledged Man's man; makes this fine rifle virtually priceless.

[rugbydave]

What kind of 22 is that? I thought the 10/22 were the only ones with high cap mags like that?

Waxman is right. It's a Gevarm, fires from an open bolt. Came with factory 8 and 20 round mags. it's circa 1968 or so, was my old man's, been mine since I was a kid. Surprisingly accurate too for that kinda action. Only disadvantage with the design is that since the scope is mounted to the receiver and it's a breakdown rifle, there is a slight loss of zero everytime you disassemble it to clean. I've heard the 20 round mags fetch a ridiculous price on gunbroker since they can no longer be imported to the states.

[TNKen]

Interesting .22

[rugbydave]

Interesting .22

It is. There's almost nothing to it. When you break it down, there's the barrel, the receiver/stock, recoil spring, a buffer that goes in the spring and the one piece bolt. The bolt is a hollow, one piece cylinder and the spring and buffer recess into it. No extractor, no ejector, dirt simple. The bolt face also has a ridge that runs north-south on it that impacts the rear of the cartridge case, hitting the rim top and bottom for more reliable primer strikes(I guess on .22LR the rim is the primer?) It's a really neat, fun lil rifle. Made in France. You could even get one from the factory threaded for a proprietary suppressor for less obtrusive pest control. That variant never came here though, our polidouches are firmy anti-can...

[Jer]

Gunna have a Zombie Apocalypse last Sat/Sat night of Oktober.

Hung up a half-assed prototype today:

OSB body with a 4" steel brain.

View from the firing line:


We'll also have bleeders, movers, supressors, full-auto, illumination and machetes.

Full TR to come.

[huckbucket]

Gunna have a Zombie Apocalypse last Sat/Sat night of Oktober.

Hung up a half-assed prototype today:

OSB body with a 4" steel brain.

View from the firing line:

We'll also have bleeders, movers, supressors, full-auto, illumination and machetes.

Full TR to come.

Let's see ... I'm about 5 states away ... yea ... that should be far enough.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Browning Lightning 12 Ga. No idea what year, seems pretty nice (to me). Anyone know anything about this thing? I sort of have one, all of a sudden, along with a few other shotguns. I imagine I'll want to sell it, but I don't even know how that's done usually.

[Jer]

Browning Lightning 12 Ga. No idea what year, seems pretty nice (to me). Anyone know anything about this thing? I sort of have one, all of a sudden, along with a few other shotguns. I imagine I'll want to sell it, but I don't even know how that's done usually.

I suggest taking it down to your local police department and turning it in before it kills somebody.

That thing could be turned into an ultra-concealable killing machine in a matter of about 10 minutes. Do you really want to profit off of mass murder by trying to sell it? Do the right thing.

[AKPogue]

Of all the things I have seen here on TGR, Dex owning a gun is probably the most shocking!!!

[leroy jenkins]

Bump for the big ass feral hog that I saw last night
that I would've shot the shit out of if I would've had the foresight to bring the 30-30 with me on the fucking plane to Texas
and then brought the bastard back home in a cooler

I'm surprised they allowed you into Texas without a gun.

Browning Lightning 12 Ga. No idea what year, seems pretty nice (to me). Anyone know anything about this thing? I sort of have one, all of a sudden, along with a few other shotguns. I imagine I'll want to sell it, but I don't even know how that's done usually.

You've got to be kidding me? The first like 10 pages of this thread are full of your condescension and ridicule for gun owners now you want our help? I'm guessing you inherited them? I thought you claimed to own guns a long time ago, that was just bullshit? When ignorant gun hating douchebags acquire guns, the natural order of things is that they get sold to people who would enjoy them, and preferably for less than their worth because the gun hating douchebag doesnt know what he has. That is the preferable end to this story.

If you want to stick to your (metaphorical and ideological) guns you'll have them all destroyed anyways.

I will say I'm sorry for your loss, although I guess you couldnt be all that close, or whoever it was would know the disdain you hold for firearms. Perhaps they were hoping the gift would motivate you to have an open mind and perhaps just go shoot them.

[LeeC]

Browning Lightning 12 Ga. No idea what year, seems pretty nice (to me). Anyone know anything about this thing? I sort of have one, all of a sudden, along with a few other shotguns. I imagine I'll want to sell it, but I don't even know how that's done usually.

You can sell it to anyone you want..Just make sure the transfer is done by someone holding a FFL, Makes everything legal and all..