GUNS!!!!!!!!

[Jer]

What can?

AAC 7.62 sd.

[soul_skier]

Need some advice:

Been shooting a fair amount of late and am thinking about getting a pistol to avoid having to deal with rentals and such. Only problem is I'm going to be living in mass for the next few years I'm pretty limited as to what I am allowed to own.

I'm thinking some sort of .22, mostly due to cost of ammo and general inexperience in these matters.

I'd like it to something that will scale up, something with the controls of a normal full size automatic so I learn these things properly the first time.

Only dedicated .22 pistols I've seen so far that fit the bill are the walther p22 and sig mosquito, but reviews of both seem to be a bit dodgy.

I'd prefer not to get a full sized pistol (like a 1911) and a 22lr conversion kit, but is there another option that I'm missing? The CZ kadet seems like it would fit the bill, but it is illegal here in mass.

[leroy jenkins]

Just get a buckmark or a ruger mkIV ir whatever they're up to now. Controls being identical is not a big deal, you mostly need to practice shooting. Any specific muscle memory you need to learn with any gun you get later with regards to reloading, working the slide/saftey, etc you can practice at home by dry firing and doing mag changes anyways. Besides, both the buckmark and ruger basically copy the controls of a 1911. Some pistols are a bit different with regards to the safety, but the slide stop and mag release are pretty much the same on everything, and thats all you'll probably use on a .22.

Just get one and shoot the damn thing.

My suggestion would be go a very different route and get a S/W 617 .22 revolver. Learning to shoot double action with a revolver will make learning to shoot a DA/SA full power auto very easy, and a SA anything very easy.

I have two sig 9's, and a s/w 617. Had a buckmark, sold it, only 22 handgun I shoot now is the wheelgun. It is the 6" model and is far more accurate than any rimfire semi auto I've seen, even the S/W m41s.. I could outshoot my buckmark, it wasnt bad, but I was better. The only thing that holds me back on the 617 is my lack of skill, and its lack of a scope.

[Conundrum]

Only dedicated .22 pistols I've seen so far that fit the bill are the walther p22 and sig mosquito, but reviews of both seem to be a bit dodgy.

I picked up a p22 awhile back and haven't had any issues. I read the reviews but found a deal good enough that it wasn't too big of a risk.

There is a pdf floating around the interweb that talks about all of the fixes/upgrades.

[MakersTeleMark]

The Buckmark is so fun, and so well made, it's hard to argue against it. I'm not sure about the laws in Mass, I moved out of there awhile ago. You could get a glock or other 22 barrel conversion if they let you, but that's not what those guns are for. Hell, you can get proficient just dry firing them. If you just want to shoot a great, accurate pistol, and it's allowed, get the buckmark, and upgrade when you move.

Perfect for plucking wind chimes.

Short story: I lived with a raging alcoholic ex-MP in Brighton Center after breaking up with a very long term gf. He would shoot out the closest street lamp every time they changed the bulb. Was, kinda, sorta funny (and helpful for sleeping), if you could get past the other eccentricities (which I couldn't, oh Don, how I don't miss thee).

I packed ship in my pickup to boulder, and my first night there (sight unseen) was blasting monster raccoons in the back alley where I was unpacking my truck into a tiny illegal basement "apartment". They were hudge, hissing, and fatter than a goddam mountain town snowboarder chick wannabe.

I quickly learned that there are different views about light, wildlife, women, munitions, and pests that are strictly regional.

[PearlJam09]

Need some advice:

Been shooting a fair amount of late and am thinking about getting a pistol to avoid having to deal with rentals and such. Only problem is I'm going to be living in mass for the next few years I'm pretty limited as to what I am allowed to own.

I'm thinking some sort of .22, mostly due to cost of ammo and general inexperience in these matters.

I'd like it to something that will scale up, something with the controls of a normal full size automatic so I learn these things properly the first time.

Only dedicated .22 pistols I've seen so far that fit the bill are the walther p22 and sig mosquito, but reviews of both seem to be a bit dodgy.

I'd prefer not to get a full sized pistol (like a 1911) and a 22lr conversion kit, but is there another option that I'm missing? The CZ kadet seems like it would fit the bill, but it is illegal here in mass.

You can get a Sig 1911-22 with the conversion kit factory installed. They also make the P226 in a .22lr. There are quite a few models of handgun that are chambered in a .22lr, you just gotta look around.

[Gripen]

I picked up a p22 awhile back and haven't had any issues. I read the reviews but found a deal good enough that it wasn't too big of a risk.

There is a pdf floating around the interweb that talks about all of the fixes/upgrades.

My roommate had two P-22's. Shot them a ton. Super fun and never had an issue with them.

[Jer]

I know a couple guys who have Mosquitos - they like 'em. No problems at all.

I've had Buckmarks and Mk II's in the past. Both great designs, reliable and accurate.

[Donkey Punch]

I know a couple guys who have Mosquitos - they like 'em. No problems at all.

2nd. I really like mine, now that i have the ammo figured out. It was picky, but now after over a 1000 shots, and switching to only CCI, she runs great.

[TNKen]

Key to any .22 is good ammo for anything that cycles by blowback. Pistols, rifles, MG's. .22 is nasty stuff, and inconsistently loaded. If you buy Wally World bulk box, you get what you pay for, cheap ammo. You can spend a few extra bucks on match grade ammo, or CCI products and avoid a lot of headaches. Especially in MG's.

My favorite .22 is a S&W Model 17 BTW. Several automatics, newest favorite is the S&W 22A.

Ken

[Jer]

Yeah - whatever powder is used for rimfire cartriges is filthy. I cleathe bore maybe twice a year, but I clean the moving parts as often as I can stand. Most guys who complain about their semi auto .22 jamming have filthy guns.

Also remember that speed does not equal accuracy. At about 20 yards I get roughly the same size groups with CCI Green Tag as with Super Mega Killer Hornet Velociraptor Extreme. At 150 the Green Tag still groups 1 MOA and the hyper velocity shit is all over the place. With sub sonic you don't have to wear ear protection either (at least outside). Muzzle blast is like a mouse fart and there is no super sonic crack.

IMO - most guys completely overlook the importance of quality ammo. The real reason K31's are so accurate is because GP11 is the most matched-out milsurp ammo ever produced. I've been shooting one for over a year and I still can't come up with a handload recipe that shoots as well as GP11.

[Crud's Uncle]

My wife carries a Bersa 380. I bought a Phoenix HP22 for her to use for practice. It is about the same size and shape as the Bersa. For a cheap gun, it has worked very well.

I had a CCW class student that had the conversion kit for his Sig 226. It worked very well.

[jon gaper]

Lever action rifles:

Too many westerns maybe,but I have been think of buying a lever action rifle.
Anybody have one?
30-30 or 308/30.06?

I am probably not going to use it for anything except shooting beer cans in the desert

[jon gaper]

I bought a used Marlin 30-30. Love it!

I was thinking of the Marlin or Mossberg,Winchester would be OK too

[TNKen]

Lever action rifles:

Too many westerns maybe,but I have been think of buying a lever action rifle.
Anybody have one?
30-30 or 308/30.06?

I am probably not going to use it for anything except shooting beer cans in the desert

Think about ammo costs on these calibers. At least $.50 a round for surplus stuff. And, I don't think I've ever seen a lever action .308/.30-06.

[zion zig zag]

Ooh I want a lever action 45-70. I don't even know why, I just want one.

I don't know where you are JG but lever actions come up on the local classifieds all the time here (ksl.com).

[jon gaper]

Think about ammo costs on these calibers. At least $.50 a round for surplus stuff. And, I don't think I've ever seen a lever action .308/.30-06.

yes,ammo costs.
isnt 30.06 cheaper than 30-30 0r .308?
btw,here is a .308 marlin xpress new for 500
http://www.pistolandpawn.com/store/i...ducts_id=66487

[zion zig zag]

30-30 and 30-06 are similar in price for ammo. 308 marlin is pricey and hard to find.

[jon gaper]

30-30 and 30-06 are similar in price for ammo. 308 marlin is pricey and hard to find.

just looked up ammo prices
.308 and 30-06 can be had for around 50c ea. (308 500rds $200)
but I found 30-30 only in 20/ box at$15 so almost double the cost of bulk 308

[BobMc]

just looked up ammo prices
.308 and 30-06 can be had for around 50c ea. (308 500rds $200)
but I found 30-30 only in 20/ box at$15 so almost double the cost of bulk 308

You're probably pricing .308 winchester, completely different animal than .308 marlin. Lever guns use a tubular magazine, ammo must either be flat tipped or a type of polymer tipped so as not to fire the round ahead of it in the magazine on an impact.

[TNKen]

Yeah, you can't put military .308 Winchester and .30-'06 into a lever action tube fed gun. Unless you want a nice ka-boom.

You might be able to find a .357 magnum or .44 mag lever action gun real cheap. Plinking cans, I would look at a lever .22 lr or .22 mag.

Yeah, a .45-70 lever would be nice. I inherited a .35 Marlin that I have never shot, don't have any ammo!!

Wanna talk about ammo costs? My .338 Lapua is $6/round (reloading only drops it to about $3). Boys Anti Tank Rifle was $15/round. Both more than .50 BMG.

Ken

[zion zig zag]

I shot a .408 cheytac a while back at almost $7 a round. Luckily not out of my pocket although I still only shot twice.

[jon gaper]

Just picked up a Marlin 336 as well. Gonna use for blacktail and N Cal pigs. just went through through the decision process so here's my thoughts -

Go with Marlin or Winchester. Marlin if you'll scope it.

If you really just want a lever action for shooting cans get a .22. If you want something w/ a little more power but don't really plan to hunt too much get a .38/.357 , but you probably won't find one used. You can get a box of 50 .38's for slightly more than a box of 20 30-30's.

If you decide to go marlin 30-30 there's lots in the pawn shops. Make sure you figure out the different grades before you buy. Very long story short they formerly made a basic 336a and deluxe model 336c/336cs. Now they make an el cheapo 336w, a nice one 336c, and a deluxe version. I ended up buying a used ~ 10yr old 336cs for the same price as a new el cheapo and am stoked so far.

thank you for clarifying the marlin models.

maybe 357 is a good idea. i already have a revolver for 357,and 38 is cheap

[TNKen]

^^^^^ DING DING DING Winner winner chicken dinner........

[khakis]

can't you shoot .45 LC out of a .45-70 lever gun? I really really want an 1895 XLR. But everyone should own a 336. I really like the Henry goldenboy .22s but tough to justify the cost