GUNS!!!!!!!!

[wyeaster]

gunflakes prefer a police state big brother! it's a perfect circle!

[wyeaster]

ghast doesn't need sources. he has his gut feelings, usually about dark-skinned people who are minding their own business.

[PNWbrit]

There is no amendment in the Bill of Rights guaranteeing the right to own or drive a carriage or car. The right to keep and bear arms is by contrast a protected, fundamental civil (and human) right.

Lots of people don't like that fact, and try to conflate cars with guns.

As for churches, there are plenty with no insurance. I have been to some where literally they had nothing, no property, just an assembly. Rich churches voluntarily undertake many complex financial transactions. They aren't required to do so. Again, saying they have to, is a lie.

The poll tax case law makes clear that an insurance requirement for guns fails on equal protection grounds. If you don't like civil rights, then you may not be sympathetic to equal protection arguments.

All you have to do to change that, is amend the Constitution. Very simple.

Gun ownership is not a "human right"

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[tbssux]

I think the problem you face here is that many gun control proponents are in fact quite hateful. I've been called a few racial slurs, called a faggot numerous times, and seen gun control proponents blame accident victims for their injuries and encourage leaving them to bleed out. Rather than being grateful that someone used modern first aid to save the police officer in Texas, someone made a joke out of it.

You, to your credit, are the FIRST gun control proponent to call out the homophobic slurs. (If I missed someone, apologies, but I think he's the first.) Good on you for that.

Off to some volunteer work, to put in my virtue signalling bona fides. As for school shootings, consider that they are negative social behavior by, overwhelmingly, young men seeking notoriety and often highly planned. (The worst was and is still a school bombing before WWII by an angry middle aged man, but that's an outlier among outliers.) Factors include in my view studying SSRIs and stimulants, which have been incredibly widely, legally, prescribed, and taking away the reinforcer of giving these kids fame.

Because as a factual matter these things are both fairly planned and subject to adaptation, I don't personally think either of gun control or school "hardening" make sense as ways to stop these behaviors. The school hardening may in fact have perverse effects. Better social media monitoring could catch more red flags, and that includes Google stepping up on its end.

I'm sorry you've been called rough names. It's obviously an extremely emotional debate. However I'm not sure it's fair to claim that many gun control proponents are hateful. Perhaps a lot of the ones you encounter on the internet are but, well, that's the internet.

I appreciate that you speak out against school hardening. IMHO, arming teachers, bullet proof classrooms, etc is a distraction. Somehow there has to be effective strategies to keep guns out of teens and young adults hands.

As to you SSRI, stimulant, google argument, that's your opinion. I am a social worker who has worked with teens for over 20 years. It's starting to emmerge that it is a violent mindset and not mental health that is the best indicator of a shooter. In fact there is a lot of evidence that people with mental health conditions are much more likely to be victims than the general population.
My colleagues in other countries have clients with the same issues as my clients. They have access to SSRI, stimulants and Google. They don't have access to guns though. There are millions of guns in this country. We're not putting that cat back in the bag. But jeebuz we need insurance, owner id fees (I agree with BS on something?)or some freakin strategy to keep guns out of young people's hands (except in the most highly structured youth shooting or hunting settings).

[wooley12]

Does the NRA pay you per post? If the gun lobbyists were in a strategy session looking for ways to distract from school shootings, homophobic and threatening remarks from liberals would be at the top of their wish list.

Fucking troll. You got called out before you had 41 posts. Take a hike, you come up empty here.

[wooley12]

Good call on the 930, do it! You won’t be disappointed. I had an FN slp too - agree with exparky - it sucked to strip and clean. My 930 is easier and easier to shoot also. At ~400 bucks, they’re a good deal and plenty of aftermarket parts too..
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Ya know, there is a thread dedicated just to the shooting sports and just that kind of post. This ain't it but it's your call. Trolls are here now like flies on fresh shit in the summer to really cunt it up as you see and I can relax. I know, change is hard. Another bookmark.

[wyeaster]

weird. just a quick scan but i can't find anything about guns. also weird that the u.s. waited so long to ratify it and still violates so many basic human rights.

http://www.un.org/en/universal-decla...-human-rights/


Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.
Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.
Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.
Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.
Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.
Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.
Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.
Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.
Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.
Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.
Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Article 22.

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.
Article 27.

(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
Article 28.

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.
Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

[Bobby Stainless]

Did yall get any new laws passed yet?

Im sure they are right around the corner...

[Bobby Stainless]

Good call on the 930, do it! You won’t be disappointed. I had an FN slp too - agree with exparky - it sucked to strip and clean. My 930 is easier and easier to shoot also. At ~400 bucks, they’re a good deal and plenty of aftermarket parts too..
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400 bucks??? Where?

Cheapest I have found on gunbroker is 620+shipping.

Im also adding a HK P2000 9mm. Plan on buying them today.

This is the Gunfag thread. You fit.

Im not sure why you feel that is a insult or derogatory remark? Probably has to do with the inappropriate sexual themes running around your empty head.

Old men gonna old....

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

Gun ownership is not a "human right"

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How very British of you. The UK doesn't respect freedom of speech, either.

Part of our liberties, here, are recognizing basic human rights like freedom of speech, due process, the right to counsel, and the right to keep and bear arms.

The Bill of Rights was specifically designed to protect these core rights in ways that the Euros didn't.

Why do you think religious minorities are having to flee Europe again, in fear for their lives?

But I understand the contempt that many leftists have for these rights.

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

400 bucks??? Where?

Cheapest I have found on gunbroker is 620+shipping.

Im also adding a HK P2000 9mm. Plan on buying them today.



Im not sure why you feel that is a insult or derogatory remark? Probably has to do with the inappropriate sexual themes running around your empty head.

Old men gonna old....

You keeping the factory trigger on the HK?

[wooley12]

Keep on cunting. I'm laughing at your school yard mentality.

[Bobby Stainless]

You keeping the factory trigger on the HK?

Yes. Why?

I've had multiple USP Compacts but they have gone nuts on pricing.

[wyeaster]

How very British of you. The UK doesn't respect freedom of speech, either.

Part of our liberties, here, are recognizing basic human rights like freedom of speech, due process, the right to counsel, and the right to keep and bear arms.

The Bill of Rights was specifically designed to protect these core rights in ways that the Euros didn't.

Why do you think religious minorities are having to flee Europe again, in fear for their lives?

But I understand the contempt that many leftists have for these rights.

the fleeing religious minorities that invaded and slaughtered the natives and took their shit? no wonder you're such a racist fuck.

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

the fleeing religious minorities that invaded and slaughtered the natives and took their shit? no wonder you're such a racist fuck.

The anti-Semitism of the left is, sadly, very predictable in surfacing, along with the threats to shoot people on sight and all the rest of it.

[wooley12]

Why are all rightists like you also bigots and racists? Simple question. Even a cave man could give a simple answer.

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

Yes. Why?

I've had multiple USP Compacts but they have gone nuts on pricing.

The DA pull can be kinda like a CrossFit workout.

[wyeaster]

The anti-Semitism of the left is, sadly, very predictable in surfacing, along with the threats to shoot people on sight and all the rest of it.

haha. wrong pick, virtue signaling bot.

[tbssux]

Did yall get any new laws passed yet?

Im sure they are right around the corner...

That's a very true (if not cynical) statement. I liked the quote from this article. "Mother's against drunk driving didn't change laws but they changed the public mindset about drunk driving". I hope the parkland students can do something similar (I'm assuming they're not paid crisis actors, haha).

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...e-guns/560771/

I did like your comment on ID fees a couple of pages back. It might be a deterrent. It would be a policy that would negatively affect poor folks but so are most policies in this country.
High school age kids are 82 times more likely to die from gun violence than their peers in other countries.

[tbssux]

Also, a ghost/wooley 12/wyeaster thread would be awesome. They could have some pretty intense dialogue.

[wooley12]

Troll

What makes a shotgun a '"tactical" shotgun? Black paint?

Makes a nice hole going in and a nicer one going out.

[Diamond Joe]

400 bucks??? Where?
Cheapest I have found on gunbroker is 620+shipping.

Whoops, forgot you wanted the SPX. The regular 930 lists for 499 and there are always specials. (Mossberg had a $50 rebate offer for what seemed like forever, might still be going on)

Why the SPX? You don't get that much more for almost 50% higher list price. Picatinny rail and ghost ring sights, thats it. ?
Both receivers are drilled and tapped for an optic..

[wooley12]

You are a legit mag but playing with the wrong team of trolls here. Why not the thread in tech talk? Do you like all the shit that goes on here? It's your nickle, just don't get your shorts twisted if you get insulted. We all make choices. Nothing personal but I hope you are not one of the PNW pussies that get easily offended. This thread has been a free fire zone from page one.

[GhostofSeasonsPast]

...
Both receivers are drilled and tapped for an optic..

There's a new politically correct rule that aiming is unnecessary. Shot patterns have been repealed by that rule.

For now, they aren't prosecuting possession of optics, but they are strongly advising against. Just sayin'

[wooley12]

Worms eating your brain are working overtime, eh?