What determines your prez candidate?

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 11:46 AM

What is the most important thing to you when picking your candidate?

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 12:08 PM

thanks for voting, but anyone have any comments?

**Tippster** · 03-19-2008, 12:31 PM

I vote that you step away from the keyboard for a while.

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 12:34 PM

unpossible, I've got some time to kill and the tv's out. Interwebs it is!

**P_McPoser** · 03-19-2008, 12:41 PM

Well. I was really getting into Obama, but some retarded 17 year old on the internet ruined him for me. (Hint: It's you newdoucher)

**tarkman1** · 03-19-2008, 12:42 PM

I guess for me it comes down to capacity to recognize what I think needs to be accomplished, prioritize, and affect change. I need a candidate that is intelligent enough to recognize that items such as the economy, war on terror, health care, etc are not mutually exclusive.

**summit** · 03-19-2008, 12:44 PM

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal, civil libertarian... that's what I want... no hope in sight.

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 12:44 PM

take it easy McPoser! You and I can still support the same guy! Besides, I'm not 17, and I know that if you truly liked him you wouldn't back away because some interweb dOOd was talking about him. THink about it, Barack's gonna need all the help he can get and if you back out, that's no different than voting for Hillary or McCain!

And it's newschooler McPooper!

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal, civil libertarian... that's what I want... no hope in sight.

If Barack was a little lighter on the raise yer taxes talk would he be yer guy?

**Thrill Hammer** · 03-19-2008, 12:46 PM

Someone who doesn't view politics as a team sport.

**4matic** · 03-19-2008, 12:48 PM

Keep investment and corporate taxes low to bolster equity markets. Supports free trade, G8, WTO, and NAFTA. Allows currency to find its own level without intervention.

**summit** · 03-19-2008, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by newschoolerz

If Barack was a little lighter on the raise yer taxes talk would he be yer guy?

He won't be raising my taxes. I don't make enough money. That's not the issue.

He is NOT fiscally conservative and he is NOT a civil libertarian. Neither is Hillary. McCain is NOT a civil libertarian either and he is a little too socially conservative for my liking. He is also fiscally inexperienced.

All the candidates fail in 2 of 3 categories for me.

On top of that, Obama to me is inexperienced and an unrealistic, naive idealist.

**Cliff Huckable** · 03-19-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

He won't be raising my taxes. I don't make enough money. That's not the issue.

He is NOT fiscally conservative and he is NOT a civil libertarian. Neither is Hillary. McCain is NOT a civil libertarian either and he is a little too socially conservative for my liking. He is also fiscally inexperienced.

All the candidates fail in 2 of 3 categories for me.

On top of that, Obama to me is inexperienced and an unrealistic, naive idealist.

I'm always interested when people who aren't in politics call politicians things like "an unrealistic, naive idealist".

How did you come to this conclusion, and what exactly do you mean. It isn't as if he's some 20-year-old undergrad thinking he should get into politics one day 'cause he wants to change the world.

**pappag** · 03-19-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal, civil libertarian... that's what I want... no hope in sight.

Exactly what he said.

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable

I'm always interested when people who aren't in politics call politicians things like "an unrealistic, naive idealist".

How did you come to this conclusion, and what exactly do you mean. It isn't as if he's some 20-year-old undergrad thinking he should get into politics one day 'cause he wants to change the world.

Wait, I'm confused. Cliff I thought you were a dog trainer? No? Are you in politics? Seriously, if so I'd like to hear what you have to say......

**liv2ski** · 03-19-2008, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal, civil libertarian... that's what I want... no hope in sight.

+1, Summit and I are always shit out of luck.
That said, Obama is the best of the 3 choices for my needs.

**summit** · 03-19-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable

I'm always interested when people who aren't in politics call politicians things like "an unrealistic, naive idealist".

How did you come to this conclusion, and what exactly do you mean. It isn't as if he's some 20-year-old undergrad thinking he should get into politics one day 'cause he wants to change the world.

He's not a 20 y/o undergrad... he's 46. What is his national political experience? 3 years in the US Senate. What is his other political experience? 8 years in the Illinois state senate... that might be a better resume than George W Bush's resume in 2000, but that is not saying much now is it. His comments on defense policy inspire no confidence in his realism nor does his constant rhetoric of "change" without any details.

PS We are still waiting to hear about your upbringing...

Edit to add: Compare Obama's experience... it doesn't stack up. He is inexperienced just like GWB was (5 years as Gov of TX). He has no executive leadership experience.
Hillary's resume: 61 y/o, 7 years in the US senate, 8 years as the First Lady of the USA, 13 years as the First Lady of AR, 3 years married to the AR SAG.
McCain: 71 y/o 21 years in the US senate, 4 years in the US House, 4 years as the US Navy liaison to the US Senate, 23 years as a US Naval Officer.

**altagirl** · 03-19-2008, 02:49 PM

I couldn't care less about executive leadership experience. Having experience at something doesn't equal being good at it. The best leaders just have it in them - you can train some of it, learn some of it - but to be really great at it - it's just in your nature or it's not.

**mrw** · 03-19-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

A fiscally conservative, socially liberal, civil libertarian... that's what I want... no hope in sight.

Summit nails it

**schindlerpiste** · 03-19-2008, 03:03 PM

For the record, I didn't mean to select race relations; it was an error. However, I am a supporter of equality of race, which I believe already exists in this country.

For the purposes of the poll, race relations should be deleted, and healthcare should be added to my vote.

**newschoolerz** · 03-19-2008, 03:04 PM

is it possible to edit for you?

**BmillsSkier** · 03-19-2008, 04:14 PM

I think it was Summit who asked for a fiscally conservative socially liberal civil liberatarian. I'd have to agree and doubly agree that we don't have anyone like that this time round.......

For this poll I'd have to choose economy/war on terror. How the next guy handles those two will dictate our direction for decades to come.

**Cliff Huckable** · 03-19-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by newschoolerz

Wait, I'm confused. Cliff I thought you were a dog trainer? No? Are you in politics? Seriously, if so I'd like to hear what you have to say......

I don't train dogs, or more accurately, rehabilitate violent dogs, any longer. They have to come live with me, and their rehabilitation is a 24/7 thing and goes on for months, so now that there are other people living with me it's not possible, because it is unsafe.

And no, I'm not a politician. But I have known politicians all my life.
I think most people would be honestly surprised, even shocked, at how most politicians are actually motivated by the desire to build a better society.
In my opinion, no one at Obama's level could possibly be naive. Any naiveté would have gone out the window long ago.
I can understand people thinking a politician is naive when they hear him or her talking about their plans and desires to build a better society, but put aside your cynicism for a moment and consider that nothing worthwhile gets done without someone aiming for a target others will call unattainable.
People called the New Deal naive. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, too. People protesting against South Africa's aparthied were called naive for decades. Choose any important change in history and I'm sure people working toward that goal were criticized as naive.
And maybe they were, but their naiveté has changed the world for the better, time after time.

**newschoolerz** · 03-22-2008, 12:06 AM

^^^

good to know, thanks for gettin back with me

**bean** · 03-22-2008, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable

People called the New Deal naive.

The New Deal is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. How can you possibly praise the gross expansion of the federal government far beyond its' constitutional bounds?