loveland pass

[daviski]

I'm following up--

I intend on skiing the simple line off of Loveland Pass a weekday in early april ( I will check Avalanche reports first)

I will not have avy beacons or probes and shovels

I also have no BC experience. First time out but I look and listen

I think in this run I will have no problem (unless I admit I grew up in Amarillo)

the masses departing the resorts is something that you maggots may have to accept-- I do not crave powder or the unknown run, but the notion of an inexpensive line, or more to the the point, something simple that requires a ride, and finding a way back up hill

[MOHSHSIHd]

uhhhh, what is the point of this thread?

[ImSearchingforPowder]

haha its the same idiot on SkiNC that wants to ski BP without avy gear, what an idiot.

[MOHSHSIHd]

I have a hard time believeing that you are not an alias, but if you are real I recommend NOT skiing loveland pass w/o avi gear or knowledge.

Its really not that good unless there is a ton of fresh (which means it would be dangerous), or you are skiing lines off the wall when the stability is good (which you would have no idea about)....


Ski inbounds JONG, no sense risking your life or the lives of SAR when they are probing for your ass in the dark...

[ImSearchingforPowder]

this guy is for real. he asked the same questions over at SkiNC (which has tons of avy experience)

[daviski]

point is that I have recieved a lot of criticism over the notion of skiing backcountry and TGR is a gold standard of advice/abuse so I'm curious to see what reactions are to a new skier off loveland

Also I just expect to get a lot of shit here, and hope to take what remains to my early BC runs

[abe froman]

Fucking Douche Nozzle!!!!

[squatch]

Do whatever the fuck you want, just make sure you aren't skiing on top of anyone.

Also, please notify SAR that they should ignore you in advance.

[MOHSHSIHd]

point is that I have recieved a lot of criticism over the notion of skiing backcountry and TGR is a gold standard of advice/abuse so I'm curious to see what reactions are to a new skier off loveland

Also I just expect to get a lot of shit here, and hope to take what remains to my early BC runs

Get some partners who know what they are doing, borrow some gear, and go learn. Dig some pits, do beacon practice, etc.

Thats how I learned, and I am sure 99% of the maggots learned.

[daviski]

Get some partners who know what they are doing, borrow some gear, and go learn. Dig some pits, do beacon practice, etc.

Thats how I learned, and I am sure 99% of the maggots learned.

I am not trying to be a pain in the ass -- and I will repeat that the overtracked run that I will be taking will not be an issue for SAR unless the continents shift

This is not a huge thing -- I am not traversing to Grizzly or dropping toward A-Basin --

Ain't no big deal -- from loveland directly down

[MOHSHSIHd]

I am not trying to be a pain in the ass -- and I will repeat that the overtracked run that I will be taking will not be an issue for SAR unless the continents shift

This is not a huge thing -- I am not traversing to Grizzly or dropping toward A-Basin --

Ain't no big deal -- from loveland directly down

Sure, chances are you will be fine. There are hundreds of jackasses up there every weekend without gear. Its unlikely anything will slide since the main gut of LL pass is so flat.

That being said, try not to sound/act like a complete idiot and try to meet some people to ski with who know what they are doing so you can learn.



Still, I feel like I am talking to an alias and wasting my time right now.

Dave? Is that you?

[ImSearchingforPowder]

Phish, here is the link for the same question over at SkiNC, he has 1,190 posts there

[MOHSHSIHd]

Phish, here is the link for the same question over at SkiNC, he has 1,190 posts there

Ha, that means nothing. Between all like 70 of his alias Dave has like 25,000 posts!!

[daviski]

Sure, chances are you will be fine. There are hundreds of jackasses up there every weekend without gear. Its unlikely anything will slide since the main gut of LL pass is so flat.

That being said, try not to sound/act like a complete idiot and try to meet some people to ski with who know what they are doing so you can learn.



Still, I feel like I am talking to an alias and wasting my time right now.

Dave? Is that you?

I am not an alias and I don't mean to waste time -- and chances are I am a jackass, but not the kind that risks lives

I really am going to join the lemmings on loveland but I will risk no ones life -- I'm not seeking an amazing line

I expect I will meet some people because I know I don't know shit

[ImSearchingforPowder]

I can see it today front page of COAIC "unexperienced man from South Carolina dies in a backcountry avalanche after a storm dumps 9" of fresh"

[daviski]

Phish, here is the link for the same question over at SkiNC, he has 1,190 posts there

Yep -- you are just a plain genious

Iasked the question about BC at loveland and was told to ask the same Q on TGR-- knowing the shit I would take I hesitated-- knowing the serious advice available, I proceeded

[squatch]

So what the fuck is your question, anyways?

[jbc28]

haha its the same idiot on SkiNC that wants to ski BP without avy gear, what an idiot.

Your advice was a little different over there.

I would stick with Berthoud for tree skiing. Loveland pass does have some tree skiing, but most of the terrain is above the tree line. DONT GO ABOVE THE TREE LINE WITHOUT AVY EQUIPMENT. Have fun!

P.S. Get ready to do some hitch-hiking!

[GoEhuge]

Come on... whats your question? You came to say you were going to do something that you know is not considered safe or smart and wanted to see how much shit you will get? Fuck off.

[daviski]

So what the fuck is your question, anyways?

I guess that if i'm at Loveland on an uncrowded day and looking down at the simple lines -- if as a stranger I can still have a good time -- that may be my question

[MOHSHSIHd]

also, why would you register as "davidski" over there and "daviski" here when there is no previous "davidski" here....


come on, you can do better than that

[summit]

OK, I'll bite... of course there it is possible to ski several areas of Loveland Pass safely (avi wise) without avi gear on most days... but as a BC know-nothing, how the hell can you safely determine if your line is a safe one instead of an avi prone one that time/day? Are you going to ask all the other know-nothing gaper bro-brahs schralping the pass? Follow like a lemming? And if you do figure out what's safe, what's the joy of skiing those low angle blue square equivalent "lines" instead of a resort anyways? So you can be different, a "BC rad schralper" on LP just like everyone else?

[Deep Days]

OK, I'll bite... of course there it is possible to ski several areas of Loveland Pass safely (avi wise) without avi gear on most days... but as a BC know-nothing, how the hell can you safely determine if your line is a safe one instead of an avi prone one that day? Are you going to ask all the other know-nothing gaper bro-brahs schralping the pass? Follow like a lemming? And what's the joy of skiing those low angle lines instead of a resort anyways? So you can be different, a "BC rad schralper" on LP just like everyone else?

Your post is self-contradictory, A. Bro-brahs don't schralp. They shred. And I'm pretty sure most of the bro-brahs I know would be offended at your mistake.

Bro, shredding the pass is, like, CHEAP! You, like, don't even need a LIFT TICKET! SIIIICK!!! Which is all well and good for those who can apparently afford a snowboard but not a pass to a ski area in Colorado and who genuinely love being on snow and in the mountains. It just seems like an oxymoron to have someone who fits the latter qualifications and has no fucking clue, particularly with the increasing popularity of campaigning people like FOBP and CAIC are doing to increase awareness. Although I wonder if I'd be in that category if I'd never made sweet internet love to the TGR forums...

(That said, couliorman and I were up top doing some talking and thinking about what we were going to ski near Idiot's Cornice this morning when some rad snowboarder with a sick beard and no pack and no companions came whizzing by us off the cornice and onto a line very similar to what we were considering. We shook our heads but couldn't help but think "hmm... test dummy..." and had to be marginally grateful.

I am overwhelmed by the shitshow on the Pass most days that I am there and am reminded of how glad I am that I met people like Summit and other snow science nerds who have taught me how to be at least moderately responsible, even in high-traffic areas like LP. Knowing something about what I'm getting into from evaluating snow factors gives me much more peace of mind when I go up and ski there. I find it somewhat unfortunate that the bro-brahs tend to have "luck" or whatever on their side so that they don't experience any "OH SHIT!" wakeup calls or epiphanies about their respective ignorances and thus gain the confidence/perceived immunity that may one day put someone else in danger or take up some cool SAR dude's Saturday night.)

[daviski]

OK, I'll bite... of course there it is possible to ski several areas of Loveland Pass safely (avi wise) without avi gear on most days... but as a BC know-nothing, how the hell can you safely determine if your line is a safe one instead of an avi prone one that day? Are you going to ask all the other know-nothing gaper bro-brahs schralping the pass? Follow like a lemming? And what's the joy of skiing those low angle lines instead of a resort anyways? So you can be different, a "BC rad schralper" on LP just like everyone else?

the joy is that I don't like resorts, and I am not a great skier but enjoy it all, and I know that i can ski BC and enjoy


WHAT IS MY QUESTION? how obvious is that MY QUESTION is how to break into this without being beat to shit

[summit]

OK, I read the SkiNC thread... why is it that a North Carolina skiing forum exhibits far more BC savvy than 90% of the idiots on Loveland Pass?

SkiDav: You say "my reasons for bypassing avy gear is because I am on the cheap". Not only are you skipping the avi gear, you are skipping the avi knowledge, you don't know the ground, you aren't even from the area, and you are doing it without a "mentor" to look after you. How cheap is your life?

However, I see you are willing to listen, although not change your mind ultimately. With that in mind, at least try to self-educate so you can be careless instead of ignorant. Order "Staying Alive in Avalanche Terrain" by Tremper and read the whole thing. Hopefully you can kinda sorta book learn some route finding, terrain selection, recognize what is slide terrain, recognize (changing) conditions and warning signs so you can hopefully try to keep out of (and out from under) where you don't want to be. Hopefully you can learn that it being a "sunny day in April" can be plenty dangerous.

DeepDays: Sorry I missed skiing with you... I was up till 330 and couldn't motivate at 700