Obama...Kennedy...MLK Jr.

[ski_pdx]

UH, AJ, you ARE aware of GB's popularity now as opposed to four years ago?

His point is valid though. The insane number of voters on the right that are willing to vote for whoever, as long as they are Republicans, is crazy.

[AlpineJunkie]

UH, AJ, you ARE aware of GB's popularity now as opposed to four years ago?

That's even more proof. He's got an even worse record then the very bad one he got elected on in 2004 yet he still has the support of a THIRD of the country. That tells me that short of coming out saying that you'd like to nuke every major American city when you get in office you automatically have a third of the country on your side no matter what you do. You can throw another %20 on top of that who will stick red as long as you don't look like a disaster and right there is %50 of the vote. The Dem side is much the same way for a solid 50/50 split between the two, yet you have these two idiots somehow thinking that a landslide is going to be involved

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Who's Mark Twain????

He was voted humorist of the 19th century, didn't U read spooks post? ....don't worry most people don't.

Obama is amazing, sure he doesn't yet have as detailed a policy or experience like Hillary, but neither did Bill when he ran in '92. Slick made up 4 it with his passion, great public speaking skills, empathy and a good amount of intellectual curiosity.
The crowds reaction when Obama speaks is so energetic, Hillary's by contrast sounds like a fucking funeral sometimes. all her supporters know she is officially screwed. ....until she pays off the 700+ super delegates (which is fucking discraceful 2 even have)

[ski_pdx]

When did being a good public speaker all of the sudden become our litmus test for a president?

Since the majority of voters started paying attention to mobs and sound-bites and stopped doing research... Always.

[AlpineJunkie]

19% According ARG.

He actually has a %33 approval rating at the moment. Congress is well below that.

[rideit]

According to which biased poll?

[RootSkier]

Bush job approval Approve Disapprove Undecided
Feb 2008 19% 77% 4%
Jan 2008 34% 59% 7%
Dec 2007 32% 66% 2%
Nov 2007 31% 64% 5%
Oct 2007 25% 67% 8%
Sep 2007 34% 60% 6%
Aug 2007 28% 65% 7%
Jul 2007 25% 71% 4%
Jun 2007 27% 67% 6%
May 2007 31% 64% 5%
Apr 2007 33% 62% 5%
Mar 2007 32% 63% 5%
Feb 2007 39% 56% 5%

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

[AlpineJunkie]

Here is a list of all of them. As you can see the real approval rating by the big respected pollers place his number between %30 and %35.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pol...ve/?poll_id=19

...Btw Root, nice try on that ridiculous site you used lol. "Bush's approval rating is %2! Look here! On this site I made!" lol

[Jer]

Bill Clinton was and continues to be a fabulous public speaker. That being said, Obama does have a certain penache for the stage.

"A certain penache"? Obama is the most compelling public speaker since Hitler. And he's certainly light years past Bill Clinton. Bill has certainly helped his "wife's" campaign.

obama is nothing close to mlk and only in our braindead, superficial culture could such a comparison be made in anything but jest.

anyone who inspires the self-absorbed, enthusiastic beneficiaries of ruthless predation should be feared, not embraced.

http://http://www.healthyplace.com/c...m_defined.html

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche

Hillary's voice is just painful to listen to.

..and then there's her face. And her charming "personality".

[RootSkier]

...Btw Root, nice try on that ridiculous site you used lol. "Bush's approval rating is %2! Look here! On this site I made!" lol

That's "Undecided" you moron.

[AlpineJunkie]

That's "Undecided" you moron.

Actually moron I was using a completely arbitrary low number to exagerate his also incredibly low %19 which you can see from my previous post that I had quoted and was fully aware of..... moron. Try reading the posts before responding nice next time. Ok. Thanks.

[rideit]

Hey AJ, go to your local grocery store, and ask the first 100 people that come out of the store.

I think you would be amazed.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Haha. This is coming from two guys who thinks that Obama is going to have a landslide despite half the country being solidly red and the last two election cycles has seen the most conservative president we've ever had get elected twice both times despite having a terrible record both times. I mean you take the most conservative president ever with a really fucked up war, a really fucked up economy, the most spending anyone has ever seen, and HE still wins yet you think just 4 years later the same people who voted him in is going to vote the most liberal candidate since McGovern into office by a LANDSLIDE (while facing a solid moderate btw)??? Dude you guys are the naive kids here not me.

Good points hombre. I think it's different than four or eight years ago. You could be right though. I really don't think Obama will win in a landslide if that's what you are insinuating. I think it'll be close between Obama or Clinton and McCain.

So, MassLib lets say Obama gets the nod do you get on board and vote for him?

[My Pet Powder Goat]

I don't like correlating MLK with Obama (or anyone 4 that matter.)
He has a special place in US history and the equal rights movement(at least 4 americans with a conscience)
Yes, both men are black, and their word have moved grown men to tears, but Obama still has 2 prove he can stand in the face of corruption and inequality and take the stand MLK did

[AlpineJunkie]

Hey AJ, go to your local grocery store, and ask the first 100 people that come out of the store.

I think you would be amazed.

You look at that link? It lists all the polls done by all the groups. Take your pick, newspaper, cable news, TV news, liberal, conservative, independent, they all arrive at the same conclusion of between %30 and %35.

[rideit]

No, I asked YOU to go out and do it.
Seriously.

It would only take a bit of time, and would be all your own.

Go try it.

[schindlerpiste]

Regardless of Obama's platform and/or policies, or lack thereof, my point is that he seems to be winning over the masses. There may be some zealots in this country who are not ready, and will not give him the opportunity, to ever get elected. That is my fear.

For all those who are smarter than me, what would happen if Obama won the nomination and, on the eve of the election, something happenned to him. Who would step into his shoes?

[rideit]

I think I am the only one who 'got' your fear from the original post.

[MassLiberal]

He was voted humorist of the 19th century, didn't U read spooks post? ....don't worry most people don't.

Obama is amazing, sure he doesn't yet have as detailed a policy or experience like Hillary, but neither did Bill when he ran in '92. Slick made up 4 it with his passion, great public speaking skills, empathy and a good amount of intellectual curiosity.
The crowds reaction when Obama speaks is so energetic, Hillary's by contrast sounds like a fucking funeral sometimes. all her supporters know she is officially screwed. ....until she pays off the 700+ super delegates (which is fucking discraceful 2 even have)

Get your facts straight. Obama has outspent hillary on superdelegates 2 to 1.

[Cliff Huckable]

I think I just agreed with spook.

holy shit.

schindler, RFK was a weasel on a level that only his father could be proud of. I have no idea how the stink of being a McCarthy henchman never stuck to him. I have no idea how the mob's involvement in his brother's election and then RFK's subsequent prosecution of the mob was never called into question. How the hell he could have been such a divisive person and then all the panty dropper's believe his can't we all just be friends bullshit.

When did being a good public speaker all of the sudden become our litmus test for a president?

Don't even get me started on JFK...anyway, what's your litmus test for a President?

[AlpineJunkie]

No, I asked YOU to go out and do it.
Seriously.

It would only take a bit of time, and would be all your own.

Go try it.

Not exactly scientific. You prefer I do this at "Red Army's Food Supply" in Berkeley or at "Nigger Hater's Supermarket" in Birmingham?

[rideit]

Do it at Wal-Mart.

[AlpineJunkie]

Do it at Wal-Mart.

Great, "White Trash Emporium", I'm sure that will be a very balanced and objective polling sample

[MassLiberal]

Good points hombre. I think it's different than four or eight years ago. You could be right though. I really don't think Obama will win in a landslide if that's what you are insinuating. I think it'll be close between Obama or Clinton and McCain.

So, MassLib lets say Obama gets the nod do you get on board and vote for him?

is my username massindependent?

Of course I work for him. I do think that he has potential, it's just that his lack of specifics and willingness to throw democrats under the bus troubles me. His first two years as president will be rough, just like every other inexperienced president's, and I am extremely disappointed with the direction he has taken on Health Care. But he's still worlds better than McCain.

Plus, he'll need some experienced field directors. His organizing ability has been fantastic in Caucuses, but somewhat lacking in the type of match up he will see in the general. I've already been offered the Job by the DNC, so I'm working for the D presidential candidate no matter who it is.

[RootSkier]

Oh please. His willingness to throw Democrats under the bus?

He has done more to build the Democratic party than the Clinton's have, by a fucking longshot. I realize you are on her payroll and all, but let's be real.