OBAMA FUCKING WON

[Jer]

I wouldn't say terror and fear are one in the same. Terror is a much more immediate feeling of dread than fear is. Hearing The Witch cackle is terror - it strikes a nerve at the very core of your being. Thinking about her actually being back in the white house is fear - a general feeling of dread and forboding.

[Hugh Conway]

The rovian response? do you know anything about politics? A rovian response is to distract people from the issues towards extracurricular shit such as an individuals history in the army, whether a memo about someone's national guard service is legit, or if someone sired an illegitimate black baby. So that a candidate can get away from the fact that he is weak in areas that the other is strong.

Tell us about the time you got to say hi to John Kerry

[dk_alaskan]

Despite his lack of experience, i think Obama would make a great president- charismatic as hell

Only one question, and it is rhetorical. Does charisma run one of the most powerful and infulential nations in the world or does experience, understanding and/or proven ability? If charisma is the key to being a productive president, then, I choose....drum roll please....myself.

In all seriousness, charsima can only take you so far, imo, you have to have experience and the knowledge to run a multi-trillion dollar company well in most instances.

[MassLiberal]

Tell us about the time you got to say hi to John Kerry

Do you have anything of value to add to the discussion?

[Elle Be]

Lots of Iowans watch Oprah. She's a mighty powerful woman, and you can't deny that she had something to do with this.

I'm all for a new, fresh, person in the WH. But it's too soon to chant Obama. So much more can, and will, play out.

[Hugh Conway]

Do you have anything of value to add to the discussion?

No, and quite frankly neither do you.

[The AD]

Lots of Iowans watch Oprah. She's a mighty powerful woman, and you can't deny that she had something to do with this.

Honestly, this is one of the things I'm afraid of. As if Oprah isn't already the world's greatest egotist. If Obama get the nomination and is elected she'll be totally convinced it was all her doing.

[MassLiberal]

No, and quite frankly neither do you.

Well, I asked a question which no one seems to have an answer to, asides from insults.

[Hugh Conway]

Well, I asked a question which no one seems to have an answer to, asides from insults.

I give a fuck why? We can sling mud here all day, but you are the guy pimping a candidate, not me

[RootSkier]

I just don't get it. The whole "Obama has no platform" thing is a bullshit meme. Read his website. Listen to his speeches. Learn about his platform the same fucking way you learn about Billary's and Edward's. It's all out there if you care to do the research.

What makes Hillary so qualified? She admittedly never had the full array of security clearances when Bill was president. Or are we supposed to count that time of hers as experience?

You want to talk about Edwards? Obama has won more elections, has been more liberal in his voting record, and doesn't scream about class warfare in a frighteningly divisive tone.

Seriously. Say what you want, but to accuse Obama of lacking substance is bullshit. Do your own research. The man knows 10X as much about organizing and consensus as any other candidate.

If you are Democrat and you want to lose this election, then go ahead and support Hillary.

[skimasterflex]

Yup! as long as you hate bush and love beer and maple syrup, you can come.

You just can't get a visa to work their unless you can prove you can do something no Canadian can do.

On second thought that shouldn't be too hard

And besides, everyone knows that Obama's victory will come from his secret weapon. And I don't mean the big O. Check this out.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cBtidHIdMA

[Rubicon]

What would he be doing for the first 100 days of his administration?

Trying to make friends with every one on earth, duh.

[dk_alaskan]

You just can't get a visa to work their unless you can prove you can do something no Canadian can do.

On second thought that shouldn't be too hard

Doesn't that just constitute showing up sober to work, be able to sing Oh Canada la Francias and English, pay $45 for a 2fer of PBR and bash on the yanks? OH, if you can pass a UA with a total clean result, you should be able to run for Parliament.

OK OK, before the yank bashing starts, lived in BC for a bit, love visiting, and yeah, the skiing CAN be better from time to time.

[Highcontrast]

I just read some shit about how 60% of the republicans polled in the Iowa caucus identified themselves as evangelical Christians. WTF? Is Iowa that backwards?

No, there aren't really that many of these religious right in Iowa. But they're passionate and they're extremely organized. They had a big ol' potluck first, then off to the caucuses, every last one of em.

[MassLiberal]

I just don't get it. The whole "Obama has no platform" thing is a bullshit meme. Read his website. Listen to his speeches. Learn about his platform the same fucking way you learn about Billary's and Edward's. It's all out there if you care to do the research.

What makes Hillary so qualified? She admittedly never had the full array of security clearances when Bill was president. Or are we supposed to count that time of hers as experience?

You want to talk about Edwards? Obama has won more elections, has been more liberal in his voting record, and doesn't scream about class warfare in a frighteningly divisive tone.

Seriously. Say what you want, but to accuse Obama of lacking substance is bullshit. Do your own research. The man knows 10X as much about organizing and consensus as any other candidate.

If you are Democrat and you want to lose this election, then go ahead and support Hillary.

You still haven't answered my question. What would Obama do in his first 100 days of office?

Listen, I love Barack Obama, I think he would make a great President. But for you to be hurling superlatives at Clinton without knowing what you're talking about is ridiculous.

If you, like me, believe that This country is in a shit ton of trouble because of the way the Bush administration has handled policy over the past 7 years, you'd have to agree that there is a lot to accomplish immediately following the end of his presidency. I personally believe that Hillary would be the best candidate to effectively make a difference in the most pressing areas of concern that this country faces, in my opinion these issues are:

1) Foreign Policy (Iraq, re-establishing effective diplomacy with leaders around the world). One of President Bill Clinton's biggest strengths was that he was an amazing diplomat, and I wouldn't mind him playing a role in restoring our relationships abroad.
2) Health Care, insurance costs have increased 90% since 2001, and the costs are destroying middle america. Hillary has more experience in trying to work on Health Care than any other candidate. Yes, she failed miserably in the 90's, but guess what, so has everyone else who has tried, whether it be Truman, LBJ, or FDR. I also look at her failure here as a strength. I have no interest in a leader who has had nothing but success for their entire life, Hillary failed here, but the important thing is that she rebounded, picked up the pieces, and created S Chip, which insured millions of uninsured children.
3) Environmental Policy, here again, I see Hillary as the strongest policy wise. She has talked extensively about creating an economy of Green Collar jobs, Jobs which cannot be shipped overseas, and which would retool our economy restoring a manufacturing base which quickly been leaving the US for places overseas.

Now Hillary also has many faults, she can be too conservative with her rhetoric, and isn't nearly as inspirational on the stump as Barack. But I feel, policy wise, she is the strongest of all three of the front runners, and I want someone who can do the job from day one.

Now, do I think Barack is incapable of being a great president? No, he has that ability to be a great leader, but I worry that he will be eaten alive by Republicans until he realizes that the Presidency is a contact sport. He needs to be more forceful in pushing what he believes in, speaking in platitudes does not make for great policy.

It also makes no sense for democrats to be pushing the republican talking points on one another, and makes no sense for you and I to be carping at each other. we are on the same side. Yes, I work for Hillary right now. But, if Barack was the nominee, you better believe that I would forfeit the next year of my life to get him elected. This country needs to get on the right track, and the change we need will not come from a republican.

[s.p.c]

can someone please explain to me why new yorkers hate guiliani?

he made it virtually impossible to buy a dime bag in washington square park.

edit:

Only one question, and it is rhetorical. Does charisma run one of the most powerful and infulential nations in the world or does experience, understanding and/or proven ability? If charisma is the key to being a productive president, then, I choose....drum roll please....myself.

In all seriousness, charsima can only take you so far, imo, you have to have experience and the knowledge to run a multi-trillion dollar company well in most instances.

while charisma is not a substitute for experience et al., there is a well oiled machine behind the president that are experts in everything and advise/ guide him to the right decisions. while presidential authority and decisions reside solely with the president, he is guided to a point where he is able to make a seemingly intelligent decision by his advisers. however, when dealing with other countries, perception of the world at large, and in times of crisis, i would argue that in a president, charisma is more important than experience; recognizing that no candidate of the reps or dems, is truly without experience or blind to what the job of president entails.

[mr_gyptian]

read much?

maybe it's the political equivalent of Appy State's national title run this year.

some perspective:

previous Iowa caucus winners.....

1972: Edmund Muskie (D.)
1976: Gerald Ford (R.), "Uncommitted" (D.)
1980: George H.W. Bush (R.), Jimmy Carter (D.)
1984: Walter Mondale (D.)
1988: Bob Dole (R.), Dick Gephardt (D.)
1992: Tom Harkin (D.)
1996: Bob Dole (R.)
2000: George W. Bush (R.), Al Gore (D.)
2004: John Kerry (D)





as an aside, anyone feel like Ron Paul's run has a Howard Dean, without the roar, feel to it?

[MassLiberal]

I agree with you gyptian, for once in my life. The paultards are very deaninsh.

[Jer]

I like how AssLiberal takes himself so very seriously. Stop being so serious, serious guy.

[MassLiberal]

I like how AssLiberal takes himself so very seriously. Stop being so serious, serious guy.

Hard to be relaxed when I'm working 22 hours a day.

[dk_alaskan]

Hard to be relaxed when I'm working 22 hours a day.

WHY man, for the LOVE of GOD would you do that to yourself??? You NEED to get out and get some turns in. You might actually be able to crack a smile and enjoy life once in a while IF you did that.

Again, just a thought...

[MassLiberal]

WHY man, for the LOVE of GOD would you do that to yourself??? You NEED to get out and get some turns in. You might actually be able to crack a smile and enjoy life once in a while IF you did that.

Again, just a thought...

I've hiked Mt Washington twice, and skied some powder at wildcat, but these last few days have been brutal. I haven't skied in two weeks and the effect is not a positive one, I desperately need some exercise and a reprieve from my diet of pizza and subs. I really do appreciate the comment though, made me smile for the first time in two days. The 24/7 workday ends soon.

January 9th will be a good day. I love working in politics, you get an opportunity to listen to peoples concerns and try and do something about them, but the effect on you psyche is daunting.

[danimal's dead]

Anybody read the article in SI this week, Point After by S.L. Price (where Rick Reilly's column used to be).

Price plays pick up basketball with Obama. Anyway, Obama loves sports like we do and it sounds like he's a pretty good athlete. As I've said before, I like Obama more every day, the guy is cool as chit, "I wanna party with that guy."

This country needs change. We do not need more of the status quo. I have never liked a candidate for president as much as I like Obama and I don't care about his experience I care about his character and attitude and he's the right man for the job. It's not like he's going to be sitting in the Oval office all by himself saying, "chit what should I do now?" He will have just as many experienced intelligent advisors as Billary does. And he doesn't come with the baggage that Billary does. If Billary gets elected it will be 4 years of all out war between reps and dems. I think Obama will unite the country, people won't be able to attack him without being labeled racist which I think will help balance the country. It's almost like the Billary supporters just can't let go of the nineties or the Gore loss. They think if Billary gets elected it will somehow justify all the whining and crying they've done since Gore was defeated, that is just more counterproductive do nothing partisanship.

[MassLiberal]

Anybody read the article in SI this week, Point After by S.L. Price (where Rick Reilly's column used to be).

Price plays pick up basketball with Obama. Anyway, Obama loves sports like we do and it sounds like he's a pretty good athlete. As I've said before, I like Obama more every day, the guy is cool as chit, "I wanna party with that guy."

This country needs change. We do not need more of the status quo. I have never liked a candidate for president as much as I like Obama and I don't care about his experience I care about his character and attitude and he's the right man for the job. It's not like he's going to be sitting in the Oval office all by himself saying, "chit what should I do now?" He will have just as many experienced intelligent advisors as Billary does. And he doesn't come with the baggage that Billary does. If Billary gets elected it will be 4 years of all out war between reps and dems. I think Obama will unite the country, people won't be able to attack him without being labeled racist which I think will help balance the country. It's almost like the Billary supporters just can't let go of the nineties or the Gore loss. They think if Billary gets elected it will somehow justify all the whining and crying they've done since Gore was defeated, that is just more counterproductive do nothing partisanship.

I'm glad that you are getting interested. Where do you live? If you want, I can put you in touch with the Obama campaign in the area. If you feel so passionately about him, you can convey your feelings by talking to voters. It's hard work, but there is nothing better than following what you believe in.

[Jer]

Yes, I work for Hillary right now. But, if Barack was the nominee, you better believe that I would forfeit the next year of my life to get him elected. This country needs to get on the right track, and the change we need will not come from a republican.

When you need a break, my guest room & locals pass will be ready for you.