2pm Today 12/13/07 Mitchell Report

**Steven S. Dallas** · 12-13-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Note how many Red Sox are on the list. Could it be because Mitchell is a trustee of the team? maybe? huh?

There are 5 former Red Sox on the list. There are thirty teams in MLB. Seems to me like they're pretty well represented.

Second of all, what the hell are you talking about, wasting legislative resources? This report was commissioned by the MLB front office.

**pappag** · 12-13-2007, 03:30 PM

At least one player from every team appears in report.

**Benny Profane** · 12-13-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Second of all, what the hell are you talking about, wasting legislative resources? This report was commissioned by the MLB front office.

You seriously believe that was "voluntary"? And, even if they paid for it, Mitchell and every one of those bastards has better things to do. Like stop this fucking war.

**Steven S. Dallas** · 12-13-2007, 04:01 PM

Mitchell hasn't been in the Senate for over ten years, and the guys on the report panel were lawyers from his firm and some other non-political figures. Are you saying you want them to go out and picket their congressman's house or something?

**Odin** · 12-13-2007, 04:04 PM

I heard mitchell had super powers and was going to go over to Iraq and kick Sadam in the nuts.... from beyond the grave.... and charge him with steroid abuse.

**Steven S. Dallas** · 12-13-2007, 04:07 PM

When Mitchell takes a shit, he poops Chuck Norris.

**Hutch** · 12-13-2007, 04:08 PM

Benny is googling ...

**skikola** · 12-13-2007, 04:13 PM

There are no doubt a SHIT TON of players out there who are having a very nice evening while scratching their head wondering how they didn't end up in this report.
As for Clemens (and Pettitte), he still can deny it, given that there is no paper trail evidence whatsoever, and it is only the first hand account of one person, albiet a very strong account. I think it's pretty obvious that he's guilty. It will be very interesting to see how he reacts. Pettitte is the one name that bothers me, as a hard core Yankee fan. He was always one of my favorites.

**Steven S. Dallas** · 12-13-2007, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hutch

Benny is googling ...

Pages SR-5 and 6 of the report will be helpful.

**Odin** · 12-13-2007, 04:15 PM

I was going to google "Chuck Norris Shit" but I figured that stone was better left unturned.

**Benny Profane** · 12-13-2007, 04:21 PM

top of the list in Google:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Mar17.html
right in the middle of our "war".

fucking pathetic.

**Steven S. Dallas** · 12-13-2007, 04:25 PM

Um, that was over two years ago, and has nothing to do with the Mitchell report (to which you were clearly referring all along).

Not arguing that it wasn't a waste of Congress' time back then, but it's not the same thing as the Mitchell report.

**Benny Profane** · 12-13-2007, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Um, that was over two years ago, and has nothing to do with the Mitchell report (to which you were clearly referring all along).

Not arguing that it wasn't a waste of Congress' time back then, but it's not the same thing as the Mitchell report.

jeez, you really don't get how things work in this case, do you? Do you think this little "investigation" just fell from the sky, sponsored by the tremendous good will of all parties involved?

It was a direct result of those "hearings". With anti trust repeal held as blackmail.

**Steven S. Dallas** · 12-13-2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

It was a direct result of those "hearings". With anti trust repeal held as blackmail.

No question that the hearings forced MLB's hand. Can you tell me again how the Mitchell report represents a waste of legislative resources, or how U.S. Senator George Mitchell should be out trying to stop the war? Because I don't remember.

**Odin** · 12-13-2007, 04:36 PM

I heard that Mitchell will be investigating x-mass and talking to elves next.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=105363

**Benny Profane** · 12-13-2007, 04:38 PM

You're right. You win. Can't wait to boo the guy when he shows up in the commisioner's box soon. He'll really fix things up in that position. What a bunch of shit.

**Shen** · 12-13-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by skikola

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As for Clemens (and Pettitte), he still can deny it, given that there is no paper trail evidence whatsoever, and it is only the first hand account of one person, albiet a very strong account. I think it's pretty obvious that he's guilty.

Clemens can easily argue that he isn't guilty. You are correct, there is no tangible evidence, whatsoever (@ this point). Nor has he EVER failed a drug test. Could be looking a HUGE slander suit.

**irul&ublo** · 12-13-2007, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shen

Clemens can easily argue that he isn't guilty. You are correct, there is no tangible evidence, whatsoever (@ this point). Nor has he EVER failed a drug test. Could be looking a HUGE slander suit.

Unlikely...as a public figure, Clemens cannot sue for defamation w/o proving "actual malice", which means you knew what you said (or wrote) wasn't true, and w/ that knowledge went ahead and said or wrote it anyway.

**Odin** · 12-13-2007, 05:03 PM

edit - nevermind ruler got it

clemens can't do shit to mitchell

**stump832** · 12-13-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

You seriously believe that was "voluntary"? And, even if they paid for it, Mitchell and every one of those bastards has better things to do. Like stop this fucking war.

Benny - you're fucking awesome.

**Shen** · 12-13-2007, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by irul&ublo

Unlikely...as a public figure, Clemens cannot sue for defamation w/o proving "actual malice", which means you knew what you said (or wrote) wasn't true, and w/ that knowledge went ahead and said or wrote it anyway.

Interesting, sounds like Clemens and his lawyer have released a statement that he was slandered today. Shouldn't they be basing this on some course of action; or is this just a knee jerk reaction?

**Odin** · 12-13-2007, 05:26 PM

When I was a kid, I remember the whole Pete Rose thing. I remember being disappointed when I got his baseball card. But he wouldn't admit it.

He always denied. Always.

And five years passed, and then 10 and then 20 years passed.

People forgot why they were pissed. They talked about getting him into the hall, about how he probably didn't bet on baseball. That the dowd report was false. They created websites and petitions, talked about how he was getting screwed over.

In the end though, he owned up to it. Owned up to betting on his own team and other baseball games.

So, he was still a no good lying gambler. Regardless about lying for so long.

**Stone-Free** · 12-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Shen

Interesting, sounds like Clemens and his lawyer have released a statement that he was slandered today. Shouldn't they be basing this on some course of action; or is this just a knee jerk reaction?

I was wondering why there wasn't more statements or press conferences by players who were outed denying the allegations. If I was an innocent player, I'd be doing a presser asap to respond or deny any of Mitchell's findings. Must be some guilty players out there.

And Benny Santiago? Man, I always liked him. That one kinda stung a bit...

**Adolf Allerbush** · 12-13-2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Odin

When I was a kid, I remember the whole Pete Rose thing. I remember being disappointed when I got his baseball card. But he wouldn't admit it.

He always denied. Always.

And five years passed, and then 10 and then 20 years passed.

People forgot why they were pissed. They talked about getting him into the hall, about how he probably didn't bet on baseball. That the dowd report was false. They created websites and petitions, talked about how he was getting screwed over.

In the end though, he owned up to it. Owned up to betting on his own team and other baseball games.

So, he was still a no good lying gambler. Regardless about lying for so long.

You're right. People will forget and/or defend him regardless. Still I think that gambling as a manager after your playing days are done isn't the same as taking steroids to make yourself a better player or to be able to extend your career. Say with out steroids Clemens only plays till he's 35/36, doesn't get 3000 K's, doesn't win 300 games, doesn't win 4 more Cy Young's...etc. I think it's complete bush league on his part. He needs to just own up to it and admit he fucked up. People will still forgive him and people will still want him in the hall.

**Tippster** · 12-13-2007, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

You're right. You win. Can't wait to boo the guy when he shows up in the commisioner's box soon. He'll really fix things up in that position. What a bunch of shit.

You're right - Mitchell made them juice up. Motherfuckin' Mitchell.

Originally Posted by stump832

Benny - you're fucking awesome.

He's on a Testosterone fueled roll...